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Video Information:
02.07.21, XLRI- Jamshedpur (an Online discourse), Greater Noida, Uttar Pradesh

Context:

What is the way to Self-realization?
How can it help others?
How to serve society?
Who are we and what is our natural state?
How to achieve Self-realization?

Music Credits: Milind Date
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Category

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Learning
Transcript
00:00I am Jagan from Chennai, Jagan, yes. So I am always a person who tries to hear something
00:09or hear some philosophies in class and try to apply the same in real life situations.
00:13So during one of our classes, I came across a philosophy called a Maslow s hierarchy of
00:18needs. The self-actualization need was placed at the top of the pyramid. And I think for
00:25many of the individuals, including me, our long term goal is esteem or security-based.
00:30Like if you ask me, I would be saying I want to become a CEO of a company, which is a security-based
00:35or esteem-based need. But you know, the self-actualization need is understanding that, okay, we have
00:41to live our present lives to the fullest, but that won't be a long term goal for me.
00:46Do you think having long term goal of attaining self-actualization, which is in turn spiritual,
00:52is important? Do you think creating awareness on self-actualization for an individual from
00:58an early age is important? Because when I'm studying my school days, when people were
01:03asking me about the long term goal, I'll be saying I want to become an engineer. When
01:06I was doing engineering, when people were asking, I told I want to become a manager.
01:11When I'm doing my managerial studies, I told I want to become a CEO. But you know, in this
01:16routine way of life, I never thought, okay, the spirituality need or you know, self-actualization
01:22is a need that I should be meeting in a long term. So, what do you think about this?
01:25See, the way Maslow constructed his pyramid is good, nicely indicative, but not very exact.
01:46Self-actualization is not something that stands distinct from all your other needs.
01:56The way that pyramid stands is you say, once all my lower needs are satisfied, only then
02:05I come to self-actualization. Right? So, you have kept sexualization at the top and you
02:12say food and security and self-esteem and only then self-actualization. No, that's not
02:21how it actually is. Maslow did a great job, but he was not quite there. Self-actualization
02:31is not the top of the pyramid. It is the foundation of everything that you do. It is the foundation
02:40of your activity even when you are fulfilling your lower needs. Let me give you an example.
02:47You want to go for self-esteem. Why do you want to be known in the society as someone
02:56important or respectable? You want to be known that way because you think that being known
03:05that way would give you self-actualization. So, when you are going for self-actualization,
03:11you are actually going, when you are going for self-esteem, you are actually going for
03:16self-actualization through self-esteem. Not getting it. So, given we are as a conscious
03:27organism, our only deep need is self-actualization. All other needs are just precursors and mediums.
03:43Even we eat to be alive, to be self-actualized. It's not as if eating and self-actualization
03:55are separated by a mile, like in the pyramid that you find in your textbooks. If self-actualization
04:05were not possible at all, then you would not even eat, believe me, because you are not
04:12an animal. An animal has no respect for any actualization. So, it will continue eating
04:20throughout its life with no concern for, no idea of, no craving for anything like self-actualization.
04:31No, but you are not an animal. So, why do you eat? You eat to be alive, to be actualized
04:38one day. You may not know that, but that's the case. Similarly, why do you have relationships?
04:49Why do you have money? Why do you want respect? All these things, you want either because
04:57you think that they lead to self-actualization or sometimes you want them as a proxy to self-actualization.
05:05Many people do that. Self-actualization in spiritual terms is the state of liberation.
05:16In traditional religious terms you could call self-actualization as God attainment. A religious
05:25vocabulary would say God attainment. The spiritual mind would say liberation. Does it not happen
05:36that when you get your dream job or when you get your dream partner you yell out, well,
05:53I got my God. Tujh mein Rab dikhta hai. Now, what is this going on? You are thinking that
06:02you have attained self-actualization via a relationship, via security in relationship.
06:12No, security needs. It's just that you have been deluded. You do not know that this is not the way.
06:27So, in Maslow's thoughts, the thing is sequential. You have one, you have the other,
06:40you have the next one, the next one and finally self-actualization. The indic realization,
06:49the spiritual understanding is way deeper and far better. It takes actualization as the very
07:03bottom of the pyramid. Not even the bottom because if you say it's the bottom then you will say it is
07:10not really intimately connected to the top. You take self-actualization as present at every level
07:20of the ladder. Whatever you are doing, it is really for self-actualization directly or indirectly
07:28because you are a human being and a human being lives only for one purpose whether he knows it
07:33or not. Even the worst rascal, even the most unconscious person is actually living only for
07:45actualization just that he does not know it. Why do you wake up in the morning? Don't say you wake
07:53up to attend classes. You actually wake up to be actualized just that you don't know it. Why are
08:00you having this conversation? Why do you even watch a movie? Why do you commit a heinous crime?
08:06Even that you do just for self-actualization because the one within that you can call as
08:14the I or the ego is crying out for fulfillment. So, that's the source of all this. That's the
08:22best word. It is the source of all this and also the purpose of all this. Everything arises from
08:30that. Whatever you do, your entire universe, all your deeds, thoughts, purposes, motivations,
08:35all arises from there and all arises for the sake of actualization. So, it is both the earth and
08:46the sky and in between the earth and the sky you are doing all your miscellaneous activities and mischief.

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