Join Taylor Kyles, Mike Kadlick, Alex Barth and Brian Hines for a crossover edition of Patriots Daily and Patriots Beat. In this LIVE episode the crew discuss the question on everybody's mind: Will Drake Maye start vs the Houston Texans?
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00:00:00Hello, everybody. Welcome to a crossover episode. Patriots beat Patriots daily. Alex Barth,
00:00:07Taylor, Kyle's Brian Heinz, Mike Kavlik going down the line there. Uh, so I guess I'll just
00:00:13start with this. We kind of gathered together on the field Sunday after the game and we're
00:00:17like, we should do a crossover episode to kind of discuss where we're at with Drake
00:00:21made.
00:00:22It seems pertinent. Should we do Tuesday to discuss maybe what we would do? Or should
00:00:27we do it Wednesday in case there's any news as a reaction? Well, they made the decision
00:00:31for us cause here we are moving the show up. We're supposed to be half an hour ended up
00:00:35being 20 minutes cause I apologize. I had another show before this, but I'm moving it
00:00:40up because according to Ian Rapport and others, Drake may will take over as the starting quarterback
00:00:45of the new England Patriots this Sunday against the Houston Texans.
00:00:49Brian's head's going to fall off if he keeps nodding any harder than that. Um, so I guess
00:00:53we'll start with you, Brian. We'll just go with this instant reaction. What was your
00:00:56reaction when you saw it and what do you think? Very excited. Uh, it was the right decision.
00:01:01Well, it should have been last week. Now I think that would have made much more sense
00:01:05going against the dolphins. I'm sure we'll talk about the Texans, uh, you know, tough
00:01:09defense to get thrown into the fire, but it was the right decision. Jacoby Brissett was
00:01:13not getting the job done and I know he was in a tough spot with the offensive line and
00:01:18under pressure a lot, but it just 139 or one 29 passing yards per game, whatever it was,
00:01:25it just wasn't sustainable. As Gerard Mayo said, and you turn it over to Drake May, there's
00:01:30going to be bumps, there's going to be bruises. He's a rookie. He's going to go through these
00:01:34stuff, but he can help the offense in ways that Jacoby was not getting it done. You know,
00:01:39anticipatory throws, pushing the ball downfield, making plays with his legs and it'll make,
00:01:45hopefully it'll get the receivers more involved. You know, those guys were rightfully getting
00:01:48a little frustrated out there. So I think it's the right decision to, to turn to him
00:01:52now. And I say all that too, by thinking he's ready. I think he's ready. I think he's
00:01:58been ready. I don't think they're rushing him along here, which is important. Like he's
00:02:03been one snap away the last five weeks for being on the field anyway. So I think they're
00:02:08pretty comfortable with him going out there in the first place. So with, with the talent,
00:02:13he should elevate the offense. And I think he's ready from a mental side. So I think
00:02:17this is exciting. We should be excited. I see a lot of complaining still all over the
00:02:21place. A lot of negativity. We should be excited now here and I'm ready to go with the Drake May
00:02:25era. Taylor. I'm excited. Also, I'm not quite as a hundred percent sure that Drake May is
00:02:32necessarily ready, but it does at least give me some faith that I know Albert B reported that
00:02:38he has been making steady progression, that he's gotten better against the blitz. And
00:02:41we kept hearing this summer where we asked TC McCartney and Alex Van Pelt, what exactly is it
00:02:47that's keeping him from being a starter and being the better option? Why is it better for him to
00:02:50learn behind the scenes? Van Pelt kept mentioning, you know, the different pressure schemes that
00:02:54you're going to see in the NFL. And now they've seen the you know, the Shanahan defensive tree
00:03:00where you got like Robert Sala. Now they've already seen the McDonald coaching tree as well.
00:03:04So you've got some tape at least from these trees of what kind of pressure schemes you might see.
00:03:09Obviously, you know, Scott Peters told us last week, it's different based on your opponent
00:03:12because they have different players and you want to scheme to that. But I do hope that,
00:03:16yeah, mentally he's in a place where he can go out there. He can command the huddle with
00:03:20confidence, you know, relatively for a rookie in his first start and be able to still make the
00:03:24throws and make some plays because, you know, I've been on the bandwagon of wait at least till
00:03:28November to start May, you know, once you get a couple of weeks of the same offensive line.
00:03:32But at the same time, I think we may get the same offensive line two weeks in a row because the unit
00:03:36they weren't perfect, but they weren't bad enough that you got to make wholesale changes or bench
00:03:40anybody. I don't think so. He got that Kendrick Ford is back. And then Jalen Polk and Keishon
00:03:46two guys who has spent a lot of time with Drake. May, if you look in the preseason, his main
00:03:50receivers were Jalen Polk, Keishon booty, and I'm in Jayvon Baker. Obviously Jayvon Baker hasn't
00:03:55proven himself yet enough to get on the field, but I do think this may have been the best situation
00:04:00for them to introduce him. Maybe not against the Texans. I, if they don't run the ball 30 times,
00:04:04I'm going to be legitimately off. But I really do think this probably was the best time considering
00:04:09how Jacoby reset's been performing the past couple of weeks. I put on the closest thing
00:04:13I got to California blue. I was literally getting a haircut when the news broke. But yeah, man,
00:04:18I'm psyched. I don't like a jackass anymore. So let's go. I mean, I was, I was one foot out
00:04:24the door about to go grocery shopping and then I saw it and I had to run back inside. Mike,
00:04:28your thoughts. So first and foremost, congratulations, Brian Hines on your,
00:04:34on your quarterback. It's something that you've wanted for a long time here since week one.
00:04:38I am obviously excited to make the change. I think they needed it from a PR standpoint.
00:04:43And frankly, from a football standpoint, it hasn't been good enough at quarterback. Now,
00:04:48two hours before this report came up from Rappaport, I tweeted out that, you know,
00:04:52I was actually more of the mindset where maybe they keep waiting and maybe they let these front,
00:04:57these, these five offensive linemen continue to gel together. And after last week, it looked pretty
00:05:05good. So give them some more time to, you know, continue seeing things through one set of eyes
00:05:09and make it make it happen that way. They go to it a little bit earlier. And the other reason I
00:05:14wanted to allow them to give me a little bit more time is the fact that this Texans defense
00:05:20gets after quarterbacks. They have the highest pressure rate in the NFL right now. Patriots,
00:05:24obviously allowing the highest pressure rate in the NFL. So not a great recipe upfront for me,
00:05:30but it's fun. It's exciting. See what happens, run around, make some plays it's time for the
00:05:36kid. And I think that's a, that's an exciting, I keep using that word. But you know, that's,
00:05:41that's kind of where we're at and so be it right. You know, it was never going to be perfect. They
00:05:45tried to make it perfect. So they tried to have this cute landing spot and he's going to develop
00:05:49and, but you know, guys get hurt, things happen and that's where we're at. And ultimately I'm
00:05:54okay with it. Cause they needed, they needed something to go. I, I, uh, I guess I'll get my
00:06:00reaction. Cause we kind of jumped in here. Um, you know, I, I said on Patriots beat yesterday,
00:06:04Brian, that even if he's not starting this week, you've got to get the ramp up started this week.
00:06:09And it sounds like for me, Rapport, maybe they actually started that process last week. So,
00:06:13um, I think you just hit a tipping point and I think this shouldn't come out of nowhere.
00:06:18You had the change in, in Gerard Mayo's tone yesterday. And then on top of that,
00:06:22you just had, you know, they have an offensive line. That's going to be able to play together
00:06:25for the second week in a row. You started seeing a group of wide receivers, maybe start to emerge
00:06:29as the main guys or Mondry Stevenson didn't fumble kind of figuring his stuff out. So
00:06:35my reaction is like, I get, some people are freaked out about the way the line's been and
00:06:39look to Cobra set to this point, most pressured quarterback in football, literally 50% of his
00:06:45dropbacks, every other dropback dudes under pressure. Um, and I know some people say,
00:06:51well, Drake may, you know, the line's going to be better with Drake may it'll help. I still
00:06:54don't entirely get that argument. Um, but let's say he even takes 10% off, which would be
00:06:59monumental. He's still one of the five most pressured quarterbacks in football. Like I get
00:07:04that, but I don't. And I was somebody who was, who was preaching patients and saying, you know,
00:07:11don't start them right away. And I said, it needs to be better. It's not necessarily ever going to
00:07:18be good, but it needs to be better. I think what you saw last week, a group that is definitely
00:07:24better than what they started with. You have some continuity now in terms of the personnel,
00:07:29getting guys healthy is a part of that too. The Texas is the landing spot. I maybe would
00:07:34have waited another week. I think the fact that it's going to London and they maybe have a shorter
00:07:38week of practice, um, impacts that. And you know, now you're waiting two more weeks. And again,
00:07:43you risk, you know, losing guys in the locker room as you continue to lose more games.
00:07:48But yeah, the writing was kind of on the wall that this made sense. And just to backtrack,
00:07:54it was somebody saying back when they drafted him in April. Yeah. At some point in October,
00:07:58we'll see him maybe the first week, maybe the last week, maybe somewhere in between,
00:08:01probably some point in October, happy October 8th. Everybody. Um, so as Drake may takes over
00:08:06in the throwback, all right, real quick. And I actually mean this real quick. He's going to make
00:08:10his debut in the reds, which I think Zappy did too. If I remember correctly, uh, his first start
00:08:18cause he took over in that Packers game, which was on the road. But then his first start was
00:08:23yeah. Home against Detroit. So it's, so it's the same for Drake may where he played that game in
00:08:28New York. Um, you sure that Brown's game wasn't first? No. All right. So was it the Browns? No,
00:08:35it wasn't. I just look, how do we feel about the really quick? What's the vibes of debut
00:08:39debuting in the throwbacks as hard as you can get? I don't like it guys. I don't like it because
00:08:48those, those teams that played in those uniforms were not good. And so you debut in that the last
00:08:55couple of times they played in those uniforms, it's been as a disaster pretty much every time.
00:09:00Uh, I also think they're a tad overrated as, as I've, uh, Hey, you're not coming on here.
00:09:06It's speaking. Can you mute? They are completely, I need, I need Tony reality.
00:09:15Um, because I had to take, I need to be able to give points, remove points. I think I actually
00:09:22can mute Mike. Um, yeah, I can mute Mike. There we go. Um, so Taylor, we'll start with you here.
00:09:29I think there's this big unknown. I got this question today in my Patriots mailbag on 98
00:09:33five, the sports of.com. What schematically changes for the offense? Like, okay, Drake may,
00:09:38we know he's got a big arm. He can move around. He's going to be a little more fearless with the
00:09:42football. Like that changes at the quarterback position, but is it going to be putting those
00:09:48traits into the X's and O's offense we've seen through the first five weeks or does Alex van
00:09:53Pelt change what he's doing? What are you expecting in that regard? And if there are
00:09:57changes, what changes are you looking for? So honestly, at this point, I don't know what Alex
00:10:02van Pelt is going to do. I really, it's very hard to say at this point, considering this past couple
00:10:07of game plans have kind of thrown me, but I think the thing that Drake may does better than Jacoby
00:10:12Bursette in terms of scheme is the three and five step drop back game. Like I think Jacoby Bursette
00:10:18was at his best operating within the quick game. And really that was pretty much yet to be honest,
00:10:22everything else felt inconsistent, whether it was play action, so many missed opportunities,
00:10:27obviously like glaring misses both when he was running bootleg system, which doesn't seem to
00:10:31really fit his skill set, or even in the traditional straight drop back game where he's
00:10:35not really challenging or exploiting downfield windows. And then when you talk about like third
00:10:40downs where, you know, it's not so much within the scheme, really, you're just trying to get
00:10:44the top of your drop, step up and get the ball out. Those were places where Jacoby was very
00:10:49inconsistent. And ironically, there were Drake is actually at his best when he can just really
00:10:54operate in that kind of drop back game, not so much in the get to the back foot and get the ball
00:10:58out of your hand instantly. I think even against the Jets, we saw he struggled there. We also saw
00:11:02that in the preseason, it was one of the areas where he was the most inconsistent. So I think
00:11:06that it's going to be more about, I think one focusing on the run game, like for real, for real,
00:11:11especially against the Texans. Like you cannot just drop back with Drake may 30, 35 times.
00:11:16I think that's extremely unfair against one of the league's best pass rushes, especially considering
00:11:20I don't think he's going to be as good as getting the ball out of his hand in those, you know,
00:11:24one three-step drops. But if they can protect him, I really do think they're going to have
00:11:28some opportunities downfield. I think if they run the ball well, then you mix in more play action.
00:11:32I think we've seen less and less play action from the Patriots actually in recent weeks. I think
00:11:37we'll see an uptick now. So the aggression I think is going to be ramped up, but I think they're
00:11:40going to also have to be smart about it because you don't want to have, you know, first down
00:11:44Drake may dropping back five step consistently. That's not a recipe for success with the offense
00:11:48that he has around him. Brian, what are you looking for them to do differently with Drake
00:11:52may in there? Yeah. I mean, Ben Pell was asked about this, not specifically about Drake may,
00:11:57it was two weeks ago, I think. And he said, we tailor the system to the quarterback. And he
00:12:02specifically said, if you have a run and shoot quarterback, we'll play a run and shoot system.
00:12:07And that's kind of Drake may I'd say he can run, he can shoot it downfield and his actions in
00:12:12limited sample size preseason, the game against the jets, I think have backed that up where
00:12:17it's more shotgun, right? It's not under center as much as preset. You know, some of those three,
00:12:22five step drops Taylor's mentioning. I'm not Taylor. You might know, did they do more RPOs
00:12:27at all with Drake in there? They've been doing a decent amount RPOs with preset. It's just that
00:12:33from him, there haven't been a lot of pros until the past couple of weeks since really just been
00:12:36screened. So maybe more downfield, like glance routes and stuff. Yeah. And then, you know,
00:12:40gone run game. And now you can add Drake may into the run game too, to give you an extra body in
00:12:46that in that part too. So I think it is going to be a little different, you know, van Pelt's still
00:12:51going to have his main things he wants to run. And, you know, you're still going to see hopefully
00:12:55some more play action. He'll be under center for a few times, but I think it will mold a little
00:13:00bit differently and look a little bit differently. And then on the other side of things, hopefully
00:13:05this changes how defenses play them, right? Cause the book and the formula is kind of out.
00:13:09It's stacked the box it's blitz, these guys it's play man coverage. And now if you have Drake,
00:13:16you know, he's thrown outside the numbers. If you can throw more down the field a little bit more,
00:13:20maybe you can get these guys. There you go. Mike has the minus one now on his score, but,
00:13:24Oh yeah. Okay. There we go. But yeah, if you can get, you know, if Drake's throwing it downfield
00:13:30and these defenses have to back off a little, and you're not blitzing as much, that could help,
00:13:34you know, that's going to help the offensive line. It's going to lighten the box for the
00:13:37run game and maybe make everything look better. So that's another big thing. I think with just
00:13:41putting Drake out there and he's going to have to play well and actually make some of these throws,
00:13:45but I think he can make life easier for the entire offense around him as well. And then,
00:13:49you know, his ability to be a playmaker, like the KJ Osborne touchdown that got negated against
00:13:55Washington, you know, get out of the pocket and make things happen. So I think he, you know,
00:13:59is just the skillset is going to make everyone a little bit better around him and elevate things.
00:14:03And Brian, to your point on the man cover, that was one thing that we saw, like in college,
00:14:07we saw it in the preseason where if he sees the lane and he knows that you have your back to him,
00:14:12he's going to run. We'll be the jet scramble. Yeah. The fourth down against the jets. It was
00:14:17just straight man coverage. And he's like, I'm out of here. And what I loved about that too,
00:14:22is like, if he gets out of the pocket, he doesn't want to beat you with his legs. Like you can see
00:14:27him outside of the pocket. He's like patting the ball downfield. I'm going to throw downfield.
00:14:30If someone gets open, then he's like, okay, now I'm going to go pick up 11 yards with my legs.
00:14:34So that that's a big thing too, that you saw there. Mike, what are you looking for schematically?
00:14:38It's a keep it simple offense in week one, right? It's his first week. And I know he's,
00:14:43you know, he's taken 30% of those first year. How did I get a minus two? I didn't even say
00:14:46anything wrong this time. Oh, now you're minus seven. What? Oh, it's worse every second. Yeah.
00:14:54This is insane, but no, keep him in the gun. Keep him what he's used to. They,
00:14:57they implemented some of his, the things he liked at North Carolina in the preseason.
00:15:02And I think they, they continue to do that. And just tailor it to him. Like you said,
00:15:05Brian van Pelt said that, you know, that's the, that's the type of stuff they're going to do.
00:15:09Um, no, no, or limit the late developing routes. Um, given the fact that what I just mentioned
00:15:15before, the, the, uh, the Texans defense and their defensive front gets after quarterbacks
00:15:20and the Patriots have struggled a little bit to protect theirs. So get the ball out quick,
00:15:25you know, work, work the quick game, uh, pre snap, uh, pre snap reads for the quarterback.
00:15:31I think is key. Um, at least early on just to get his feet wet and then kind of move from there.
00:15:35But, uh, you know, don't, don't completely change things either. I mean, obviously change things
00:15:40enough where, you know, continue to run the football, uh, but don't dumb it down enough
00:15:43where it's not a sustainable offense. So I think just one more thing. I wonder if we, uh, start to
00:15:50see some pistol, right. Cause like that's technically under one thing. You guys were
00:15:54going to leave for me, Brian. All right. Oh, let's get muted. We got to give Brian a minus
00:15:59one there. I see you guys for 10 minutes. Um, so the two things I was going to say,
00:16:04commit to the run. They gave that whole spiel at the beginning of the year about being a run
00:16:07first offense, and then got away from it in against Miami. What was the most obvious run
00:16:13heavy game? I think probably since the Buffalo game. Uh, and you know what Buffalo game I'm
00:16:17talking about, uh, get back to running the ball, keep that pass rush off guard, stay ahead of
00:16:23schedule. Don't put Drake may behind schedule, things like that. And the other thing is,
00:16:27as Brian was saying, pistol Alex van Pelt wants to do shotgun. He wants, or wants to be under
00:16:32center. He wants to be under center because it allows him to run play action, which is more
00:16:35effective under center. Drake may doesn't have as much experience under center. And we saw it
00:16:40give him some, some trouble, um, you know, this summer in the preseason. So what I'm looking to
00:16:45do is, is can you work in some pistol and run some of the play action concepts off of that,
00:16:51which kind of allows both guys to be happy. But you know, there's been, I'll just say this real
00:16:56quick. And I guess you guys can react to this if you want, we can use this as a jumping off point
00:17:00because all right. So that's sort of what, where we'll do like a big expectation thing for Drake
00:17:04may at the end, but that's kind of all what we're looking for offensively with Drake may.
00:17:08I honestly think, and you guys can feel differently. I know it's going to kind of sound like
00:17:14a weird take Drake may being announced as the starter is not about Drake may as much as it's
00:17:20about everybody else in the organization, because we don't know what Drake may is. It's, it's tough
00:17:26to, you know, it's tough to say, well, Drake may is going to come in and do a, B, and C you hope
00:17:30he does a, B, and C you're looking for one, two, and three. Right. But he's going to kind of prove
00:17:35himself and that's his own thing, but we've heard for weeks while the receivers are limited because
00:17:41the quarterback, the line, the quarterback, right. Alex van Pelt. I think a lot of what
00:17:45happens now is that whole looming quarterback thing. Well, this is the guy you're building
00:17:49a franchise or the franchise around. Do you work with him or not? Because that's going to determine
00:17:55whether you're here for the longterm or not, because he's going to be here for the longterm.
00:17:59So if you can work with him, you're going to be here. If you can't, you're not. And that to me is
00:18:02what the change is really about. And so Alex van Pelt, right. He's a guy that's taken a lot of
00:18:09heat, maybe more heat than anybody. And I don't think it's necessarily undeserved for the start
00:18:14of the season and the offensive issues. So I think that there's a big spotlight on Alex van Pelt this
00:18:19week to prove he can make it work with Drake may. You're not going to see the whole playbook in one
00:18:24game. They're not going to throw everything out there on the field against a tough defense in
00:18:28the kids for a start, but over this first month, month and a half, because you cannot bench Drake
00:18:32may now I'm going to keep hammering that. Um, but what you, what you're going to look for is okay.
00:18:40Can Alex van Pelt call place for Drake may. Cause if it's, if they, if those two don't mix,
00:18:46you're not moving on from Drake may like, that's not the guy that's going to be out Taylor.
00:18:49And Alex, to your point, I think not that that's exactly why this is happening, but Drake may
00:18:54is a much more Taylor made quarterback for Alex van Pelt who wants to be aggressive. Like I wrote
00:18:59about it when I did my preview on Drake may like Alex van Pelt has said he wants to run,
00:19:04but he wants to be a run first team because it helps set up those big plays in those play action
00:19:09opportunities. So I really do feel like the version of Alex, uh, Jacoby for set that Alex
00:19:13van Pelt had in Cleveland was much closer. I think what he wanted because for set had those
00:19:18guys on the outside that he trusted, wasn't getting Harris constantly when he was dropping back.
00:19:22And I think you did see the aggressive nature that Jacoby does have come out because he really
00:19:26wants to attack more one-on-one matchups every once in again, throw over the middle.
00:19:30And then I think he got gun shy because he's getting hit all the time. Maybe he didn't feel
00:19:33as confident with who the Patriots had, but Drake may, I think Drake may is going to be
00:19:38just, that's the nature of his game where he's not going to play conservative.
00:19:42I think at some point he's probably going to have to learn. Maybe like teams are going to
00:19:45start playing. I think a lot of cover two against him and force him to show that he can dink and
00:19:49dunk the way that you have to at the NFL, but he's going to take a shot. He's going to learn.
00:19:53But I think this is like the argument we had with Joe Flacco where it's like,
00:19:56what obviously Jacoby resets was a good fit as a mentor for a lot of reasons. But at one point,
00:20:01do you want the guy who has no, uh, you know, once an overworthy play and no big time throws
00:20:05or the guy who has five big time throws and, you know, four turnover worthy plays,
00:20:09maybe five also, like at least there's some firepower that you get there.
00:20:13So with Drake may people will be a little more patient with the turnovers,
00:20:16maybe with the missed opportunities that we saw from Jacoby reset. But now you have somebody who
00:20:20not only is going to look forward to attacking downfield matchups, but can actually finish it
00:20:24and, you know, do the job. All right. So let me ask you guys this, Mike, we'll start with you.
00:20:29Uh, how do you feel about the offensive line protecting Drake may, how do you feel about
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00:21:59All right, Mike, how do you feel about this? Uh, Drake may behind this offensive line.
00:22:02Yeah. Um, so again, going back to kind of what I tweeted, uh, earlier and I guess my take on
00:22:08this overall, um, I would have liked to see them have an opportunity to gel a little bit more
00:22:12because I do think they looked much better last week than they had the first four weeks. Now,
00:22:17Nick Loverett in the middle was also a problem, but may has also been working with Loverett.
00:22:21He worked with them a lot throughout the summer. So that also, uh, I think that helps his cause a
00:22:25little bit. Uh, you do go from a center quarterback combination, uh, in week four
00:22:30to a completely different one in week six. Uh, so that's going to obviously be an adjustment,
00:22:34but also the guys on the ends, right. But they're in low, a better left tackle than
00:22:38DeMondre Jacobs. DeMondre Jacobs solid at right tackle last week. Uh, no pressures off the, uh,
00:22:44off the tackle positions, uh, last week against, uh, against the dolphins. So, uh, it's better.
00:22:51What'd you say? I'm just going to say, they did give up a couple for my charting, but it was
00:22:55better than I expected. We trust, we trust the T the T Kyle's 39 charting over, over our other
00:23:01friends anyway. So, uh, a couple pressures, but it was better. It's getting better. So I do trust
00:23:07them. I just would have liked to give them a little bit more time to gel a post London trip
00:23:11was my, my new landing spot this week for him. But again, I think they, I think they have a five
00:23:17that they're comfortable with, uh, and are comfortable with moving forward. Mike on when
00:23:20it would guard, et cetera. Uh, Michael Jordan looks pretty solid at the left guard spot too.
00:23:23So, uh, I'm fine with it. I think this is the best you're going to get at this point, frankly.
00:23:28Uh, Brian, how do you feel about the line and Drake?
00:23:31Yeah, it's just, unless you were committed to like red shirting Drake may this year,
00:23:36there wasn't, was there ever going to be a time you'd put him in this year and be comfortable
00:23:40with the offensive line in reality? Cause you know, maybe Lane Robinson gets healthy
00:23:46and settles down in the back half of the year, but there were just, there wasn't going to be a
00:23:50perfect time unless you wait until next year and they draft a first round offensive tackle.
00:23:56Who's, you know, has to be a stud and hit all of a sudden. And then some of the other pieces,
00:24:01uh, fall in line. So it was never going to be perfect. So I think as Mike just said,
00:24:05it was promising last week, you made a little momentum. All those five guys are healthy.
00:24:10So it should be those five unless city. So in Lane Robinson were just too injured to go and
00:24:16they want one of those guys back in next week. So hopefully it starts to get a little bit better.
00:24:20And now you get Drake in there, uh, to help out as well. Taylor.
00:24:28Taylor, the question again, I'm not going to lie. I saw this thing and I missed the question. I'm
00:24:32sorry. You were tweeting out a meme or something back there. I wasn't, I tweeted, I sent you guys,
00:24:37I saw the offensive line, the offensive line. Do you feel like they're going to be able to get
00:24:42I feel that Drake will be able to navigate the situation better because I don't think he's going
00:24:48to hold the ball as often as Jacoby did. Now that said, I do think there are going to be times
00:24:52because Drake may still a rookie where like we saw against the jets, there are times where he's
00:24:57going to miss reads and he is going to hold on to the ball invite pressure. Sometimes he's going to
00:25:01run into pressure. One thing I really want to see if he can do is if he can do a better job when
00:25:05there's certain line games where like the edges will crash inside. And what he'll tend to do
00:25:09sometimes is see that there's a lack of color and they'll start to trip to that side by himself
00:25:13sometime. And then loopers come around. And again, against the jets, you saw him do a good job
00:25:18stepping up, evading the pressure and throwing off platform. We also don't want to see your
00:25:22quarterback invite that kind of pressure. And Jacoby was one of the best quarterbacks in the
00:25:26NFL. You know, for all the things he was doing poorly, he did do a good job of avoiding sacks.
00:25:31That's one area where Drake may show plenty of flashes in college, but I think he had one of the
00:25:36higher, not dangerously high, like it can improve, but had one of the higher pressure to sack rates
00:25:41among the college quarterbacks that came out. So there are ways that don't make them better,
00:25:44but it may be offset by ways that he also makes them worse just as an inexperienced passer. But
00:25:49at least when he breaks the pocket, I think not only can he do more with his legs, but with his
00:25:53arm talent, like we saw against the commanders, he can actually put that thing like way over the
00:25:58defense's head. It kind of plays that we haven't even come close to seeing from Jacoby. Nobody
00:26:04got muted on that answer. Good job guys. Uh, receivers. So again, going off this idea of like,
00:26:09all right, Drake may is going to show us what he can do, but there's not much to discuss there.
00:26:15Individually. It's more about how are, how is Drake may going to impact the other guys on the
00:26:21offense? You know, is this going to create more opportunity for receivers? And the one guy I go
00:26:25right to is Bob Douglas. Clearly for whatever reason, I know some people circled height,
00:26:31but like a lot of people, Jacoby Berset just didn't have the chemistry with pop Douglas.
00:26:37They kind of started getting there, uh, last week, but it took them five weeks. Um, you know,
00:26:42to me, Drake may have a young quarterback is facing a lot of pressure. That's the guy I'm
00:26:45going to go to a time, get the ball out quick. Jalen Polk's had some opportunities as well.
00:26:49They've obviously worked together. They spent time working together, rookie camp
00:26:52and things like that. Is there one receiver maybe that stands, you can throw tight ends in here too,
00:27:00but one pass catcher that maybe stands out to you, Brian, we'll start with you.
00:27:04That is going to help be helped by the switch to Drake may, or one guy you think Drake may
00:27:09specifically is going to hone in on. I agree pop too, like in that Josh
00:27:14Downs mold, but I'll go Jalen Polk. They have some chemistry together and
00:27:18you saw against the 49ers. Jacoby finally gave him a shot downfield to make kind of a contested
00:27:24one-on-one catch. And he had one this week, but it was kind of a bad throw, like to the right
00:27:28sideline. Like Drake is going to attack those one-on-one matchups and he'll throw it on a line
00:27:34to a point where Polk can just kind of flash lay hands and snag it. And that's his game.
00:27:38So I think that's really going to help Jalen Polk there. And another reason why I'm excited for this
00:27:43change is, you know, they talked going into the year, they knew they weren't a super bowl
00:27:46contending team, probably not a playoff contending team, but they wanted to lay this foundation.
00:27:50You have to figure out some questions, some answers who's on this roster and through five
00:27:55weeks, like we think Jalen Polk is a good receiver. I think we all like him and it's
00:27:59promising, but he has nine catches through five games. Like you got to get these guys the ball.
00:28:04So we should get an answer on Drake. We should get a bigger answer on Polk. Even pop is included
00:28:09in some of those other pass catchers, but that Drake and Polk connection will be exciting that
00:28:14I'm watching. Tanner. Yeah. Jalen Polk for sure. One, I know that they've been working together
00:28:21behind the scenes also since they got together in the spring. And I think that with Jalen Polk,
00:28:26because he's playing more X, I think I know his separation numbers don't look as good as they did
00:28:30earlier this season. I think a lot of that is because he's playing more X where we knew he was
00:28:34not the most ideal person to play that role, but because he can win at the catch point and he can
00:28:38make those adjustments. It was going to take a quarterback who we had great chemistry with,
00:28:42because again, the throw before halftime, the go ball he's expecting back shoulder,
00:28:46she called me reset throws a go ball. And I'm hoping that he and Drake may are going to have
00:28:50better chemistry to know what kind of passes to throw. And we say it every single week,
00:28:54Mike, in our film room, we keep showing that Jalen Polk is open. There's like two or three
00:28:59explosive play opportunities and scoring opportunities that he has every single week
00:29:03that they don't capitalize on. So hopefully knowing that they're really going to lock in
00:29:06on each other actually brings that out. Polk also has to finish. He has had what have looked to me
00:29:11like a couple of drops. Some of them have been like kind of batted out of his hands, but also
00:29:15with a guy like him, where he's not going to get a ton of his own separation all the time.
00:29:19You do want to see kind of more consistent answer from there, but then pop as well,
00:29:23that vertical element that he brings. We finally saw, they started sending him,
00:29:26not just on slants from inside, but also on some CM routes and really attacking downfield.
00:29:31We saw Drake may throw him one of those when they were right outside or inside the red zone
00:29:35against the jets. I think that's one element of pop's game that he's never gotten to show off
00:29:40because with Drake may, I mean, I'm sorry, with Mac Jones, he just really either wasn't seeing
00:29:44him or couldn't get him the ball in those opportunities. Same thing with Jacoby percent.
00:29:48Drake may have said the opposite of what we heard from Jacoby where Jacoby was like, yeah,
00:29:52I'm not really a man. He used to throw into a short guy and Drake's like, nah, he's just like
00:29:56one of my boys. Like he's just like downs. We're going to be electric. And I think that Drake has
00:30:00the accuracy and the ball placement and the aggressiveness to really be able to put those
00:30:04in spots where pop can capitalize. So those two guys I'm expecting to see much more from,
00:30:09um, and even Keishon booty, you've only really seen him went on curls, but I think he's got
00:30:13more potential maybe because he's blocking so well, he gets more play action opportunities.
00:30:17You know, they say no block, no rock. I think he's earned some more targets. So
00:30:21really all those young guys, I think we're going to see pretty significant boost from them.
00:30:25Mike, I was going to go with booty as I have to booty was obviously one of them for everything
00:30:30Taylor said. And the fact that, you know, it seems like Taekwon Thornton has essentially
00:30:34been demoted. So booty is going to get more opportunities as Kendrick Bourne continues
00:30:37to get healthy. He played well last week. And I think with a guy like Drake may,
00:30:41who is a gunslinger mold, all four, five receiving options are an option on every
00:30:47single play. And so if you're open and may thinks he can get you the ball there,
00:30:50it doesn't really matter who you are. He's going to try and throw you the football.
00:30:53The other one, uh, a little under the radar and I don't expect it to be immediately,
00:30:57but eventually Jayvon Baker. And the reason I say it is because they're turning over to the youth.
00:31:02They want this to be a youth movement. Brian, you said that they're not super bowl contenders.
00:31:06They're not going to do much this year, but you want to see what you can get out of these guys.
00:31:10And if they do simplify the offense a little bit more, uh, with Drake may in there and to make
00:31:16sure that he can run it effectively. Jayvon Baker, who Alex van Pelt said last week needs a little
00:31:21bit more time because he's not, uh, I guess for a lack of a, uh, a direct quote, not fully
00:31:27understand the offense, not in the right place at the right time, not on the same page as the
00:31:30quarterback, perhaps the fact that him and may come in with some, uh, familiarity with each other.
00:31:35They work together throughout the off season. Maybe they give him a little bit of a chance,
00:31:39at least towards the middle to the latter half of the season.
00:31:42Yeah. I just think on Baker, I think what Alex van Pelt last week was said last week was a very
00:31:47nice way of saying we can't put them on the field. That's just not close. And you mentioned the youth
00:31:53movement, but I also think this, this hat youth movement, but it has to be about Drake may above
00:32:00all else. And if you have a guy you can't count on, you can't put them on the field with a rookie
00:32:05quarterback. I'm almost at the point where like, I know KJ Osborne ceiling is, is what it is.
00:32:10And Baker's ceiling is much higher, but KJ Osborne is going to be in the spot where you need him to
00:32:15be when you want him to be there. And he's a reliable player. And that's what I want around
00:32:20the young quarterback more so than the guy that you really just don't know what he's going to do
00:32:24on any given place. So I'm not as high on Baker, but like I mentioned pop and, um,
00:32:28did anybody mention Hunter Henry? You know, veteran tight end and rookie quarterbacks
00:32:33like veteran tight ends. Yeah. Taylor, you seem less sure.
00:32:36I feel like he's going to be Hunter Henry. I don't really think like, obviously maybe
00:32:41Hunter Henry, he he's getting like two, two catches a game, right? Like maybe we'll get
00:32:45him back in the red area. We'll might actually reach the red area now so you can get them
00:32:50in the end zone. So, all right, well, let's, let's hear from our friends at game time. Then I have a
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00:34:24Mike, you have, or I'll just let you, you know, kind of talk about your report, but
00:34:30what does it mean for the locker room? What does this mean for where the team is at? You know,
00:34:33one in four guys are frustrated. I won't use the word that my co-host of the catch 22 podcast
00:34:39use. Cause I don't think that's the case, but I mean the vibe it's a one to four team. You don't
00:34:44want the vibes to be great. How do you think players are going to react to this? And Mike,
00:34:49we'll start with you. Cause I know you have some news on this. Yeah, just, just a layer,
00:34:53a layer to this whole thing and how Mayo is sort of taking his lumps, if you will,
00:34:58as, as the new head coach of the Patriots back in, back in August, when they named reset the starter,
00:35:03he made it clear that he wanted to tell the team before the media found out that Jacoby
00:35:09was going to be their starter. He thought that was important for the team to know.
00:35:12He said that multiple times and that's why they delayed it till the next day and called us in for
00:35:17an impromptu press or the next day. Now today, Tuesday is an off day for the Patriots. And I
00:35:22was told by somebody in the building that nobody was in there or, you know, they were off. So there
00:35:27was no team meeting and some players are finding out about the switch as we are through media reports.
00:35:32And so, I mean, again, I'm not going to sit here and speculate as far as what that necessarily
00:35:38means, but above all, it's, it's pretty contradictory from, from what we heard just
00:35:43a month ago on how Mayo wanted to kind of handle these things in house versus through the media.
00:35:47So you wonder if it could have waited a day or if this is something they just wanted to get out,
00:35:52but that just adds another layer to to this whole thing and how they're handling things inside the
00:35:56locker room. Brian Taylor, any reactions to that? It does worry me a little bit because it feels
00:36:04like an example, and we've had a couple of these, it feels like we're may kind of Mayo kind of
00:36:09contradicts himself. And I think the biggest thing is you were hoping that with the switch,
00:36:13it was something that was something that the locker room was pushing for, where one of the
00:36:17things I tweeted was, I'm curious what the response is. Cause I'm sure some people still
00:36:21have love for Jacoby preset, maybe even still support him. And that was one of the reasons why
00:36:25my initial impression after seeing, you know, looking after the game was there were so many
00:36:30times where the offensive line and penalties and even receivers at times we're putting Jacoby in
00:36:35bad spots that you kind of have to feel for the guy. Like it's not all him. He has not been the
00:36:40reason that they have been losing games, but at the same time, clearly the offense feels so
00:36:45constricted when he's in because of the things he can't do. Then obviously we were saying it,
00:36:49it was like, if you lose to the dolphins, it feels like that's a turning point where you
00:36:52do need to make some changes. And after just kind of sitting on it at first, I was like,
00:36:57Oh, I feel scapegoated for percent. I was like, you know what, honestly, I don't even see how
00:37:01they beat the Texans with Jacoby under center. I just kept thinking about it and it was harder
00:37:05and harder to justify having him in there. And I'm sure players felt the same way.
00:37:09Uh, but I just hope that the way that it was delivered and the fact that they did
00:37:13have to hear through the media doesn't kind of sit poorly with some guys. Now, if you win
00:37:17and things are better with Drake may no one gives a shit. Like everyone's going to forget
00:37:20the timeline. This doesn't matter. No one's going to think about it, but I just hope it
00:37:24doesn't become one of those things that some people remember where it's like, Oh, so you said
00:37:27you were going to tell us first, but then you didn't. So Mr. Player coach, like what's happening
00:37:32here, especially considering, you know, even if they perform better this weekend, the Patriots
00:37:36are still right now sitting at one in five and they're facing a very uphill battle against the
00:37:40Texans where I'll be in a very winnable slate of games. They could walk in and one in six.
00:37:45That's, you know, that's tough spot to be in. Right. Yeah. I mean, I agree with what Taylor
00:37:51just said about like the delivery. He don't love that, but if Drake may comes out and he's Drake
00:37:56may like that, they'll probably be able to look past that. But I would imagine some of the receivers
00:38:02especially are happy because again, you saw pop Douglas literally on film, you know, throwing his
00:38:07hands up, ripping his mouth piece out or chat or whatever. And, you know, he was frustrated and
00:38:13Jalen Polk too, because these guys are getting open and, you know, they said the right things
00:38:18after that they shouldn't have acted like that, but they have careers too. And, you know, they
00:38:23need the football. If pop Douglas has 20 catches throughout the whole year, like what, how's that
00:38:27going to look for him? You know, when next time he has to go for a contract. So they want guys
00:38:32who can get them the football and everything we've heard from Drake may is he looks really good
00:38:36on the practice fields, in the meeting rooms, like coaches, teammates talking about that.
00:38:40And he should be able to get these guys the football. So if I was them, I would be happy.
00:38:45And yeah, you're one in four as a whole team. So making this switch should bring a little bit
00:38:49of juice and excitement into there. Just a couple updates from quickly, just on top of that,
00:38:55something I kind of want to add and not that it, it does much, obviously this didn't this
00:39:01information didn't come from the quarterback room. And so I would assume, or you, you, you can, I
00:39:06guess, speculate that, you know, quarterbacks are in pretty much every day, whether they're getting
00:39:09treatment, doing film, et cetera. So I would hope, and again, I don't know but I would hope that like
00:39:14Jacoby percent, Drake may maybe in the building today and Mayo at least has a conversation with
00:39:19them before this decision goes through to the media. But again, confirming that no,
00:39:24no team meeting today and that they weren't told as a unit and some players are in fact,
00:39:29but I would hope the quarterbacks found out, go ahead.
00:39:32Put a pin in that for a second, real quick. Some updates from Andrew Callahan,
00:39:35one page on Twitter, one Patriots veteran is happy about the Drake may starting,
00:39:40believing it will make the offense more aggressive. Another confirmed may has performed well in
00:39:44practice, but didn't have a feel how the games will go, which makes sense to outside front office.
00:39:49Executives were surprised. One sense, the Pats felt pressure to change QBs and other didn't
00:39:52believe this was a pure coaching decision, which has obviously been speculated, but I want to get
00:39:56to something you guys kind of danced around. Cause I think this is an understated, interesting part
00:40:02of this story. Some people may find this, I don't know, a little too dense, um, or just not have the
00:40:09patience for it, but what happens to Jacoby Berset now? And what do you do with him? And
00:40:15to this point, Joe Milton has been the emergency third quarterback. He has not technically been
00:40:20active on game days, even though he's dressed, do they go all rookie. And at this point, cause
00:40:28you know, they, they may look at it and say, well, if Drake gets hurt, we need you to go to,
00:40:32but there are some things you can do with Joe Milton. And I've talked about this using him as
00:40:36like a package player, things like that, where you may be turned to him. And does that help
00:40:41letting the load on Drake may, which is what they should be trying to do. Or do you still need
00:40:45Jacoby Berset ready to go in as a moment's notice, Taylor, you seem rather annoyed by me suggesting
00:40:51this. Well, Milton should not be playing in a regular season game anytime soon, unless he's made
00:40:57dramatic growth behind the scenes, which, you know, all respective and Pelton McCarthy and Milton,
00:41:03that feels like more of something that you would expect the opposite of than to say that that's
00:41:07what's going to happen. I still think Jacoby, if you really were in an emergency, he knows the
00:41:13offense. Like I know people talk about bringing in a veteran from the street and all that, but
00:41:17I don't really know how much that helps you. That's somebody who doesn't know your offense,
00:41:20who needs to get the chemistry with these receivers, who's going to have to play behind
00:41:24the same offensive line. And if there's somebody that you're bringing in as a veteran, they're
00:41:27probably not going to be able to do much better with it. So I don't think Joe Milton should be
00:41:31in anytime soon. I think that Jacoby presets now just QB two. And I think that's what the plan was
00:41:36for whenever Drake was going to go in. I don't think they ever really considered
00:41:39that Joe Milton would be anything more than an emergency backup in year one.
00:41:42Brian, Mike, any interest in, in Joe Milton is QB two.
00:41:48No, I think Taylor hit it there, but well, let me, let me clarify it this way. Maybe not this week
00:41:54at some point this season, maybe down the line, like last month of the season. And he's got to be
00:42:01ready to that. That's a big thing. I know if he's actually ready and capable, sure. But yeah, I don't,
00:42:09I don't think he'd, he'd be ready now for that. You don't, you don't buy anything
00:42:13even in terms of using him as a package player. No, I don't think so. Or you could, or I mean,
00:42:20I guess I'm, I'm, I'm maybe I'm, you know, you could, you could have all three active.
00:42:24I guess that's technically an option too. Have all three active and have Joe Milton
00:42:28as a hail Mary package player and use that cannon when you have to, but Drake may actually
00:42:32can throw the ball. Yeah. You have a quarterback with a big arm and good accuracy. Yes. I know,
00:42:37but all right. He doesn't have Joe Milton's arm. Here's the layer from your, from your own 30 yard
00:42:44line insurance. That's the Joe Milton package. Otherwise I'm not interested.
00:42:49Here's the layer of it, uh, of the quarterback room that is interesting. And it's, it's how
00:42:54does Jacoby handle this news? Right. Because is he upset that he's, he's being demoted this early
00:42:59now? He came in right on a one-year deal, reportedly understood the plan. Um, but he
00:43:05was named a captain and I'm sure that he doesn't think that this is all his fault. And so did he
00:43:10want to go a few more games? And does he, does he kind of, I don't want to say fight back,
00:43:16but is he upset inside the building that, you know, he has to be the quarterback now? And does
00:43:20he say, well, I don't want to be the backup anymore. I don't want to do this. I want it to
00:43:22play. And look, I don't think he's going to do that. I think he's here for a reason. And I think
00:43:27he understood that plan, but from, you know, talking to him and in press conferences and
00:43:31hearing him on the radio, as of yesterday, he said, he still expects to be the quarterback
00:43:35this week and didn't really have much more to say about it. So he didn't like answering the
00:43:39questions about it. Um, so I, I wonder, uh, his reaction, but again, I hope that he understood
00:43:46what his place is on this team against signing that one-year deal, um, and being sort of that
00:43:50bridge after they take the number three overall pick. All right. Let's we'll, we'll kind of close
00:43:55it here. Um, short-term expectations for Drake may, we're not going to do all, he's going to
00:44:00prove he's the franchise and five years that just like, no, really this game, maybe you want to call
00:44:06it. Well, let's, let's walk before we run. We kind of did what we thought of Drake may the player
00:44:16big picture when they drafted him, right? That's what that was about. Cause I guess I just want
00:44:20an excuse to get this take, which is I get Patriots fans are excited. I also know how Patriots fans
00:44:27are. If the first pass is six inches outside the wide receivers frame on Sunday, they're going to,
00:44:33I'm going to get a million tweets about Carson Beck and Cheddar Sanders. Like I just, I know
00:44:37that's how a lot of the fan base is. So you look at Jane Daniels, Caleb Williams. I will even
00:44:46begrudgingly throw in Bo Nix. None of these guys played well to start the season and it took them a
00:44:52few games to kind of get in the rhythm and figure things out. And there's a number of reasons for
00:44:56that, but that's usually what happens with rookie quarterbacks in general. Like you're don't get a
00:45:02picture of who the guy is going to be in his NFL career in his first game, even his first two
00:45:08games. So especially against a tough Houston defense, I'm actually kind of expecting it to
00:45:14look a little ugly on Sunday. I don't think it's going to be a complete train wreck, but I think
00:45:19there's people who just, because of all the hype around Drake mayor expecting, you know, 250 yards,
00:45:24three touchdowns, no picks, maybe adds another touchdown on the ground, something like that.
00:45:29That's not a realistic expectation. I just want to see him hold his own. And that could be
00:45:34something like, you know, 15 to 30, 220 yards touchdown and a pick like it's without seeing
00:45:42it on film. It's tough to say exactly what it looks like, but there are going to be growing
00:45:46pains. There are going to be some struggles. There are going to be things that need to be ironed out
00:45:52just because, and look, if it, if it continues for like a month or two, then maybe he sucks.
00:45:57But I just, I, I can't stress it enough. And I know I've been the guy since the beginning pouring
00:46:04cold water on the whole Drake may thing, talking about who's going to have to sit from the
00:46:08beginning and you got to wait to play him and blah, blah, blah. And people probably think I
00:46:11hate Drake may. I don't, it's actually the opposite. I want to make sure he gets his
00:46:15fair shake with the fan base. Just know what to expect patients. Like it may not look great on
00:46:22Sunday, but I also don't think what you see on Sunday is wholly indicative of what Drake may is
00:46:31going to be as an NFL quarterback. So Brian, you're the biggest Drake may fan here that probably
00:46:37irk you as much as anybody, but do you think I'm wrong? Like, I think that piece deserves to be
00:46:41said. Yeah. I think there's going to be bumps and bruises along the way. And if you just look at
00:46:48him as a quarterback, like he's going to throw probably some bad interceptions. He's going to
00:46:52probably sail a three-step slant into the sideline a couple of times though, because that's just who
00:46:58he is as a quarterback, but you want to see the flashes and you want to see them consistently
00:47:02grow. Like I think Caleb Williams, his passer rating every week has improved, right? That's
00:47:07what you want to try to see like him consistently grow. So yeah, there's, there's going to be
00:47:12issues. There's going to be some bad plays in there. I would also like tell Patriots fans to
00:47:17go watch some Drake may highlights. Cause this is going to be like whiplash quarterback play.
00:47:21He is not Tom Brady. He's not Mack Jones or Bailey's happy. Like he's, I know they want
00:47:26them to stand in there and like play quarterback and hit your first or second read, but he's going
00:47:31to be running around back there. He's going to be doing some crazy stuff. So go watch some Drake
00:47:35may highlights. It'll be exciting, but yeah, there's going to be a learning process here,
00:47:39but you just want to see them get better and better and see those flashes as he does that.
00:47:44I'm glad you said that Brian, because we haven't had a quarterback like this in ever really Tom
00:47:50Brady, Mack Jones, Cam Newton's arm was shot. So he couldn't, he wasn't a gunslinger like he used
00:47:55to be. So we haven't seen like a, a true dual threat athlete like this under center for the
00:48:00Patriots. And so it feels like not in your lifetime. Don't disrespect Steve Grogan.
00:48:05I correct. I've never watched a live Steve Grogan game, but that's fair. But so these,
00:48:10for some people, the little brief hope of Michael Bishop, but sorry, continue.
00:48:14Exactly. Right. So point being, we haven't, we haven't seen this. So that, that part's exciting.
00:48:20Quick expectations, short-term and understanding of the offense, moving the ball a little bit
00:48:25better. Overall, it's a higher ceiling for the offense and a lower floor for the offense. And I
00:48:30think that's okay. And you're going to see growing pains. I'm not expecting a ton, but I'm expecting
00:48:36big plays excitement. And yeah, just the feeling of potentially a fuller Gillette stadium this week.
00:48:43That's exciting. But yeah, I'm not expecting him to go out here and challenge Jaden Daniels for the
00:48:48rookie of the year. He has room to grow. He still has to grow. He's probably not a hundred percent
00:48:52or he is not a hundred percent of finished product right now. So show some improvement
00:48:57over the next couple of weeks and go from there. But it's exciting. Like I said, for sure.
00:49:02This is actually, I'm mad. I never thought of this comp. This is actually a good comp,
00:49:05big Doug Flutie. Okay. So I like that.
00:49:10Uh, Taylor, what are your, what are your expectations for like this week and maybe
00:49:14the next week or two? Uh, this week, I think that it's going to be a mixed bag.
00:49:19Like my expectations, frankly, aren't very high. I just want a couple of deep shots.
00:49:23Like I just want to see that, like, yes, the reasons they're putting him in, we're actually
00:49:28seeing where he is testing windows and he is making those deep throws and they don't have to
00:49:32be perfect. My big thing is just don't be an air repeater where, you know, if you run into a sack
00:49:36and I think that we see that in games where he was in college and even in the preseason and
00:49:41throughout, you know, the entire time that we've been watching Drake may in person,
00:49:46we've seen that he typically does a good job of not making the same mistake twice,
00:49:49whether it's in the same drive or whether it's in the same game.
00:49:52Those are the big things I want to see the growth. I want to get excited because it's like, Oh,
00:49:56you know, he came off this read really quickly in the first quarter. And then the third quarter,
00:50:00similar concept, he hits it. And that's really my expectation is he's a smart kid. We keep
00:50:05talking and hearing about how he's getting better every week. And we don't know if this was the plan
00:50:09truly for him to start right now. We don't know if he's a hundred percent ready or if they said,
00:50:13you know what, most rookies don't get the best opportunities when they start.
00:50:17And we tried to give Jacoby a bunch of chances. And now we have a five game losing streak.
00:50:21Something needs to change. Like I get that and I was against it, but now as a person
00:50:26and you know, these people in the locker room, like it had to happen. And I, I think we're all
00:50:29there. You just want to see that whatever bumps are in the road, he says, okay, I learned from it.
00:50:34Let me get better. And we actually see that tangible growth. What about this matchup specifically?
00:50:40Like, like what about the Texans worries you the most as it relates to Drake may making his first
00:50:44start pass rush by far. That's why I'm saying if you have a game plan, like you did last week,
00:50:50where you decide, Hey, we're gonna, you know, have a successful run. Then we're going to three,
00:50:55five step drop under center. Like, don't do that. Make sure you actually commit to the run,
00:50:59make sure that you get as many opportunities for him to run, you know, play action and RPOs and
00:51:03things like that as possible. I know people are comparing Caleb Williams and his pressure
00:51:07rate against the Texans. I looked at all the sacks. A lot of that had to do with the situation
00:51:11where he's in these third and impossibles. Like that's what you want to avoid. Also
00:51:15win on the early down so that Drake may has third and fourth, third and fives to worry about
00:51:20not third and seven, third and 10, 13, 15, or in the fourth quarter.
00:51:24He has to spend the entire time dropping back because you're so far behind.
00:51:27Like the defense has to step up, but I'm really afraid of this pass rush being able to tee off
00:51:31because as good as the offensive line was relative to what we've seen, they're still
00:51:35far from where they need to be. So they need to make sure they take the pressure off of Drake.
00:51:38Although I do think he gives them a higher ceiling of situations. And I think you need to
00:51:42take the pressure off of your offensive line because you cannot expect them to consistently
00:51:46protect him in obvious passing situations. Mike, Brian.
00:51:51Yeah. I mean, Taylor nailed it. It's the pass rush, right? With Will Anderson and Hunter on
00:51:56the edge there. And you got to keep the game close because if you're just down three scores
00:52:00and you have to pass, pass, pass, and let those guys tee off, like that's going to be a nightmare
00:52:04probably. So yeah, the pass rush I'd say was the biggest concern against Houston here.
00:52:10Don't test Eric Stingley either. Pretty good corner over there.
00:52:13Yeah, that's a good point, Mike. But I, and I've talked about this defense as a whole,
00:52:16like this is not a bend. Don't break defense. This is not a, a conservative defense. This is
00:52:22a defense that plays with an attacking mentality. This is a defense that plays with an offensive
00:52:27mentality. They're not out there to contain. They're not out there to prevent. They want
00:52:31negative plays in turnovers and they are going to come after you. And that can be tough for
00:52:36a young quarterback. All right. Uh, we'll, we'll have more game same scheme. What's up?
00:52:41Sorry. Same scheme as the Jets. That same 49er tree.
00:52:44Well, was the same scheme as the Jets. We'll see what happens now, but any, any quick,
00:52:48quick reactions to Aaron Rodgers, uh, officially being a coach killer. Look, I thought an AFC East
00:52:53coach was going to be the first one fired this year. I just got it wrong. I thought it was
00:52:57going to be the fraud Miami. Um, but I thought you were going to go Sean McDermott. So did I,
00:53:03you hate Sean McDermott. I mean, it's, it's kind of weird. It's McDermott was terrible. We want to
00:53:13talk about the bills did on Sunday. Um, look, we'll see what happens with Drake may coming in.
00:53:18And I, I don't realistically think the crafts would want to done Gerard Mayo,
00:53:23just given the whole last year and everything, but all right, well, let me put it this way.
00:53:28I think there's a real chance Gerard Mayo is the only head coach left from this current
00:53:32group in the AFC East to start next season. I think that if they'd maybe taken Josh Allen
00:53:38out of the game, I would have, you know, I obviously the bills wouldn't have won,
00:53:43but I think the fact that they lost with the worst because Josh Allen couldn't do much
00:53:47because he had brain damage. And I think we're going to see they put him in concussion protocol
00:53:50this week. Sean McDermott's fine. Like that dude, I think has a very long leash.
00:53:54I think losing to the chiefs in the playoffs every year is maybe like the least egregious
00:53:59offense you could have as an NFL coach. Uh, but with McDaniel and obviously I think all rich
00:54:04by the end of this, he seems to be very well liked in that. I say that. So I say that referring to
00:54:10solid, like, we'll see what happens with all rich. But I say that as in like from week one,
00:54:142024 to week one, 2025, is there a chance Gerard Mayo is the only AFC East coach that carries over
00:54:21McDaniel? Just got an extension. Like, I, I know Ross doesn't care about the money though.
00:54:28But if he has to, it's, it's monopoly money to him. And that thing looked that
00:54:32they barely beat a Patriots team that just changed its quarterback. Like that constantly on offense,
00:54:38right? I'm saying every time they get in the red zone, it's just like,
00:54:41how are they going to screw up this time? That, that thing could get really ugly.
00:54:44And I'll, I'll, I'll say it again about McDermott. Like, I think there,
00:54:47yes, he, he does lose to the chiefs and that's a high bar to expect, but one,
00:54:54a lot of their losses are coaching decisions. You go back the last few years, he's another guy
00:55:00that doesn't manage games well. And I just, I wonder about the culture there because we've
00:55:06seen now we're starting to find out what went on with Stefan Diggs and all of that. And coaches
00:55:11don't survive. It's a tough spot to be in as a coach. A lot of the reason Mike McDaniel's in the
00:55:19position he's in is because he didn't protect his quarterback. He, two years ago, he put two
00:55:23are right back out there after concussion in the issue compounded. They put Josh Allen back in that
00:55:27game. We'll see what they do this week. On one hand, you want to get your, your star quarterback
00:55:32out there and play them because it gives you the best chance to win. But if you're the reason
00:55:38that your quarterback's longevity is suddenly brought into question,
00:55:41what are you guys laughing about? We just had a drink at the same time.
00:55:47If you're the reason your quarterback has, uh, uh, your quarterback's longevity is brought into
00:55:52question, especially for a guy like Josh at like nothing against to a Josh Allen's much more popular
00:55:57in Buffalo than two is in Miami. I think we can all agree on that. Um, that's going to draw some
00:56:02attention from ownership, right? So I, I would not feel safe if I'm an AFC East coach right now.
00:56:08That's just one thing. Uh, one thing I'll say, and I, we, we touched on it a little bit earlier
00:56:13and it goes away from the head coaching thing, but this is a very real 12 game tryout for Alex
00:56:17van Pelt as the offensive coordinator here. Um, if, if things, things don't go well and they can't
00:56:22get things going with Drake may, they're going to stick with obviously Drake may over Alex van
00:56:26Pelt and they're going to get somebody else in here who can, who can use his, um, you know,
00:56:30use his skillset to the best of their abilities. All I'm hearing is the division still in reach for
00:56:36Drake may. That's what, okay. All right. Let's uh, 12 straight. I'm going to bring it way back
00:56:44into reality here. Instead of predicting Drake may, whether or not he'll win the division,
00:56:47let's close on this fun little prop thing. Who catches Drake? May's first career pass attempt.
00:56:54Taylor Jalen poke. Okay. The rookies. I like that. Brian, I'm going to go Hunter Henry.
00:57:06That's a good one. Mike, I'm going to go. Okay. Sean booty.
00:57:12Nobody said pop Douglas or remandering Stevenson.
00:57:16They're going to start their first drive at 11 or 12.
00:57:18I was between, I was between Stevenson or Henry cause they've loved a little swing out and then
00:57:25they loved that little just tight end five yard tight end sit. So I went with the tight end sit
00:57:30there. So I'm going to start off with the action shot. I need it. So realistically,
00:57:36I think they come out and they just drop, they dump it off to remandering Stevenson first play
00:57:40check down just to kind of prove he's in control, but I'm going to Babe Ruth call my shot here.
00:57:44Cause if I nail this, it's going to be awesome. Don't do it. Drake may. Oh my God. I think he
00:57:51goes, I think he pulls a Brett Favre. I think his first pass gets deflected. He catches it. And
00:57:56unlike Brett Favre, he actually gains receiving yards. Love it. Put it. I thought you were going
00:58:00to go Taekwondo in Taekwondo run fast and far and Drake throw it far. No. What about Derek?
00:58:09Drake may is going to be on the field. I said completion. So technically that goes out,
00:58:13but, um, pass attempt. Uh, I, I think it's going to be Stevenson, but if it happens,
00:58:20please clip this. Drake may catch us his own first pass. Somebody else just did that too.
00:58:26Bo Nix do it. I thought one of the rookies this year did it to Caleb Williams do it.
00:58:30I think it was Caleb actually. Yeah, that's maybe it wasn't his first completion, but he like caught
00:58:35a ball off a deflection. So I'm going to say Drake may that's my pick. All right. Um, we will
00:58:41have more breakdown. Obviously it's going to be a big week in Patriots world. Uh, Mike Taylor,
00:58:47what are you guys back with tomorrow? Uh, tomorrow we're going to have a mailbag,
00:58:51probably going to start off with some Drake Mayfield, honestly. And, uh, also, uh, our buddy
00:58:56coach flight friend of the show, uh, Christian Gonzalez is trainer as well as he works with
00:59:01many other Patriots. We're going to be breaking down some Christian Gonzalez tape this week.
00:59:06That's going to be really fun. Going to try to show my favorite matchup that he's had or favorite
00:59:10like rep against all of the top receivers he's faced. So that should be really fun. Look forward
00:59:14to that later this week. And me and Brian will be back on Thursday game preview Patriots beat.
00:59:19Obviously it's going to be pretty involved one. Um, so we'll talk to you then, uh, next up for the
00:59:24Patriots pending or actually before we really close, I guess, since this is sort of a Patriots
00:59:29beat show and no story, uh, goes on reacted to Patriots made a series of roster moves today.
00:59:35They released, uh, Jamari Camora from the roster, Jerome Carvin and Matt Landers from the practice
00:59:40squad signed sincere Ainsworth to the practice squad center. Anybody, uh, I I'm kind of bummed
00:59:46on the cut Landers. I was kind of hoping he'd be here, get a futures contract and it'd be a fun
00:59:50story and camp next year. That's my reaction. I mean, sincere Hainsworth is an awesome name.
00:59:56So I don't know that that's my take on the moves. I leave those reactions to Patriots beat to the,
01:00:02to the, to these, to these little moves that came out like eight minutes after they announced Drake
01:00:07may as a starter. So that, that is going to the bottom of the to-do pile, trying to bury the,
01:00:11the Matt Landers, uh, release Taylor and he takes, uh, Jerome Carvin is such an interesting
01:00:17guy. Cause he has so much positional versatility. Um, they've already kind of parted ways with him.
01:00:22Maybe he comes back again after some roster moves, who knows, uh, Matt Landers. I agree.
01:00:27He was an interesting guy. Um, looks like Matt chewed on out, or he did look like Matt chewed
01:00:31on out there when he was wearing nine for that, like one week. Cause he had like the red sleeves
01:00:35and he's huge and it just looked so bizarre. Uh, but yeah, sincere Hainsworth. I agree. All I know
01:00:40about him right now is that he's got a kick-ass name. Who's quite any surprise. They didn't sign
01:00:44Corey Cronk. Yeah. Why have, why has this been a thing in the chat all day? I'm surprised. I
01:00:48thought that would have been their move. You know, he's recovering from that shoulder injury. I
01:00:52thought he could have, uh, came out and helped their left, left tackle spot, but I mean, but
01:00:56they're in low zero pressure. I think you guys just need to do some homework on Corey Cronk.
01:01:03I can't believe you weren't prepared for that. I saw it in the chat all day and there is this
01:01:09whole show and it has to be some sort of Patriots beat inside. I think you've been
01:01:13seeing it in the chat for weeks. I don't think it's just today. We are not aware of it.
01:01:17All right. Well, I expect you guys to have a Corey Cronk. Maybe we'll, I'll drop in the
01:01:21mailbag tomorrow. Okay. All right. So again, these guys have a mailbag tomorrow. Me and Brian
01:01:27will be back on Thursday. Um, in the meantime, I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go as far as
01:01:34saying Corey Cronk is a key piece, but if he's healthy, bring him in for a workout. Maybe. All
01:01:39right. Uh, that's it for thanks for everybody for tuning into the crossover. Uh, again, those guys
01:01:44back Wednesday, we'll be back Thursday. Talk to you next time.