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00:00Good evening, dear viewers, welcome to 1 on 1.
00:11My tonight's guest is a great grandmother among grandmothers.
00:15The bravest lady among ladies.
00:18Designed by the order of a knight.
00:20A fast train driver by Mika PuliÄ.
00:23She is not a native of Paris, but she has a French charm.
00:30She is a star.
00:36She is a star.
00:46Her name is often associated with stories like,
00:50unique, indestructible, unrepeatable.
00:52In the former country she had the status of the greatest star,
00:55and her music immortality was experienced in Italy,
00:57France, Poland, Bulgaria.
00:59The French gave her a medal for bringing culture closer to two countries.
01:04And while the world respects her and still talks about her in superlatives,
01:07Tereza Kesovia obviously has some problems in her country.
01:11Every now and then she appears in some newspaper articles,
01:14and Tereza is not given an apartment, and her car is stolen,
01:17and she is harassed by schoolgirls, and again by young singers,
01:20and her house is a bit of a nuisance, and her concerts are a nuisance again,
01:24and then they bother her, and she is so upset,
01:27that she even thinks about permanent resettlement in France.
01:30But when you have been on stage for over 40 years,
01:33and you have proven your vocal abilities countless times,
01:36all those inscriptions, posters and messages serve only as a confirmation of your greatness.
01:41She is a star, that is undisputable.
01:43So please, find another singer from our country,
01:46except for Denz PoskoÄica, who is still a musically isolated neighbor of ours,
01:51who recently performed at the Eurovision Song Contest,
01:54but watch out for the flag of Monaco.
01:56Think about it. Of course, you can't remember anyone.
02:00And it's hard to remember someone who has been on stage since the 60s,
02:04and is still actively participating.
02:06In the end, in one survey,
02:08Tereza was declared the greatest Croatian singer of the 20th century.
02:12But as in this busy world,
02:14we invent new, instant stars every day,
02:17so we have forgotten about the real greatness.
02:20The media hasn't been writing much about Tereza's work in recent years.
02:24But when she says something she thinks,
02:26even if someone doesn't like it,
02:28she always puts it on headlines.
02:30And it is precisely that language barrier that she never had,
02:33that is one of the most important marks on this worn-out stage.
02:37In addition, the people will always remember the war, Dubrovnik,
02:40and the picture of Tereza, who, together with the refugees,
02:43is leaving her city.
02:45So much has already been written about her destroyed house in Konavlje,
02:48so much has been written that it is not even worth spending words on that topic.
02:51In any case, we could count the awards,
02:54records, awards and medals she has won for hours on end.
02:57We could quote verses from her most successful songs for days.
03:01But instead, we will only, as proof of her greatness,
03:05inform you that the French simply call her La Tereza.
03:09Oh yes, one more piece of information.
03:11If you ever wonder how old Tere is,
03:14and how she still manages to look so good,
03:17we will give you only one date that will make you think.
03:21March 10th, 1938.
03:25Well, Tere, only forward!
03:36And my tonight's guest, Mrs. Tereza Kesovja.
03:42Good evening, we hear the applause.
03:47Well, let them hear, let them hear.
03:50You and I agreed, didn't we?
03:52Yes.
03:53You are a sportswoman, and I am a...
04:05Tere, welcome.
04:07I believe that in the studio it is not as comfortable as in your house.
04:11Well, in the studio it is actually comfortable,
04:13except for my chair, which is limping.
04:16You are limping under that chair.
04:18But I will get you some money for the next show.
04:21But I was your guest recently,
04:24and I must admit that you are a wonderful host
04:28at your concert in Dubrovnik,
04:31and you received us all in your house,
04:33cooked for us, prepared pizzas for us.
04:36Have you always been like that?
04:38Always.
04:39Always?
04:40All my life.
04:41You love guests, you love people.
04:42I love people, I love people.
04:44Yes?
04:45And, by the way, in Dubrovnik, when you live alone,
04:48it seems to me that you are lonely there.
04:51I am never alone.
04:52No?
04:53Never.
04:54When a man wants to be surrounded by people,
04:56if he loves them, he claims to love them,
04:58and I claim to love them,
04:59then you are never alone.
05:01Tell me, I always think that...
05:03And sometimes a man wants to be alone,
05:05and then he can have that too.
05:07Yes, of course.
05:08I love that they come to me, but also to leave.
05:10That's right.
05:11That's good, yes.
05:13Tell me, how did you grow up?
05:17Because I think that this love for people
05:20always comes from the parent's home.
05:25I know that you were young without parents.
05:28Not young, but small.
05:30Small.
05:31I was one month old when my mother died.
05:37But I didn't feel emptiness.
05:41I didn't miss my mother.
05:43Because I had an exceptional grandmother
05:46who took care of us.
05:49My brother was three years old,
05:51and I was so small when my mother died,
05:55after giving birth.
05:57The only thing I don't have anymore roots in,
06:00I don't know what my sign is,
06:02because I don't know the time when I was born,
06:05because, simply, who would care at all
06:08if you don't have a mother?
06:10I was actually an orphan there.
06:12So, when you were born, your mother died.
06:15Yes, yes.
06:16For a long time, I kept it in me,
06:22I can't say kept it,
06:23I kept it tight,
06:24as if it closed,
06:25and I didn't let it out.
06:27I thought that maybe I was to blame
06:30for my mother's death.
06:32That haunted me for a very long time.
06:36I didn't, I didn't.
06:38She died of sepsis,
06:39because at that time it was like that,
06:42it wasn't...
06:44She gave birth at home?
06:46She gave birth, of course, at home, yes.
06:48At home.
06:49And she gave birth at my brother's house,
06:51so nothing happened.
06:52So, I don't know.
06:53You weren't a doctor after all.
06:55When my father decided to get married,
06:58because he had to,
06:59he took a young widow,
07:01who couldn't have children,
07:03from Dubrovnik,
07:05and my parents were born in Konavlje,
07:09so I'm a native of Konavlje, actually.
07:12She was a young widow,
07:15actually she was young,
07:17my father was younger,
07:18ten years younger than her,
07:20but for my whole life with them,
07:23I don't remember ever quarreling.
07:26You grew up in Konavlje,
07:28and you are connected to Konavlje.
07:30No, I was born in Dubrovnik.
07:32I was born in Dubrovnik,
07:34but I grew up in Dubrovnik, of course,
07:37but all my free time,
07:40I was like a child,
07:42until I went to school,
07:44or when I started going to school,
07:46for the holidays,
07:48I was always waiting to get into a truck,
07:51which came back empty,
07:53with milk cans,
07:56and I would sit in the truck,
07:58I would sit on top of the milk cans,
08:00empty,
08:01and it would spill all over me,
08:04but I was happy,
08:05I was going to milk in Konavlje.
08:23You mentioned your brother,
08:25later you experienced another life tragedy,
08:29your brother died when you were very young,
08:32for whom you were very attached.
08:34I was very attached to my brother,
08:36we loved each other,
08:40that love,
08:44when I hear that, for example,
08:45brothers and sisters,
08:46in everyday life,
08:48they hate each other,
08:49in court,
08:50they insult each other,
08:52I just can't believe it exists,
08:54when my brother and I lived in such a beautiful slum,
09:00he taught me everything nicely.
09:04How old was he?
09:05He was only 39 years old.
09:08But it's interesting,
09:12when I told my parents,
09:14that I would be 40 soon,
09:16they told me,
09:17son, your brother will never live to be 40.
09:21How so?
09:22Do you think he changed something?
09:24Yes.
09:26As I felt,
09:29that he is no longer there.
09:33I was in Karl-Marx-Stadt,
09:35that is the city of Halle,
09:39in Germany,
09:41at that time it was DDR.
09:46At 8 a.m.
09:488 a.m.
09:49Yes.
09:50I started recording my show on TV,
09:54and I started with Nonno.
09:57And Nonno,
09:58actually,
09:59the first time I synchronized Nonno
10:00in German.
10:03And in German,
10:04he called himself
10:06Mein Gott,
10:07my old brother.
10:09Simply, I couldn't,
10:10I never finished the song.
10:13My teacher said,
10:14well, Teresa,
10:15it's not a sad song,
10:16give me a little.
10:18I couldn't,
10:19he was standing next to me.
10:21So you felt it.
10:22And he died at 8.15 a.m.
10:25On the Zagorska highway.
10:27That was when the movie
10:28Matija Gubac was being filmed.
10:31Matija Gubac.
10:33I'm sorry,
10:34so you felt it.
10:35You were so connected,
10:36that you felt
10:37that something happened.
10:38Yes.
10:40Yes.
10:42I am.
10:43Okay, I won't make it a sad topic,
10:45because I see tears in your eyes.
10:46Many years have passed,
10:47many years have passed,
10:48but it's still alive in me,
10:49and it will stay alive
10:50as long as I live.
10:51That's how it is.
10:53Let's go to another topic.
10:54Let's go to a nicer topic.
10:55Yes.
10:57But,
10:58I have to ask you something
10:59about your life,
11:00which, of course,
11:01wasn't easy.
11:02You can ask me all the time,
11:03my dear,
11:04I don't have secrets.
11:05You grew up
11:06in Konaul,
11:07Dubrovnik.
11:10How did your love for songs
11:11start?
11:13Very early.
11:14I am,
11:16as we are,
11:17I came from a poor family,
11:20and my parents were
11:23faithful practitioners.
11:26They are,
11:27I often went to mass,
11:29morning mass.
11:30Then, for example,
11:31I went with
11:33the late Padre Ivo Peran
11:35from KoŔljuna.
11:38He actually taught me
11:41songs.
11:42And when did you start
11:43to play the flute?
11:44I started to play the flute
11:50only later.
11:52What do you mean later?
11:54I was 15 years old
11:55when I started to play the flute.
11:58And then,
11:59I applied myself
12:00in the school year
12:011958-1959.
12:05Before Christ.
12:06Yes.
12:08Well, it wasn't before Christ,
12:09but it was before me.
12:11Before you,
12:12for sure.
12:13And in the last century,
12:14for example.
12:16And you are from the last century,
12:17so you understand.
12:18I am, yes.
12:19What can be seen on me.
12:22Basically,
12:23I applied myself,
12:24without the knowledge
12:25of my teacher,
12:26he would never let me
12:27to the competition of young
12:28musicians,
12:29Yugoslavia,
12:30in Ljubljana.
12:31So, the school year
12:321958-1959.
12:34And there,
12:36incredibly,
12:37everyone was amazed
12:38how I got
12:39the first prize.
12:40And on that occasion,
12:41I got a compliment
12:42that will remain forever
12:43the greatest in my life,
12:44no matter how many
12:45I got,
12:46but that will be
12:47the most precious.
12:48Because,
12:49when I became
12:50the 13th flutist,
12:51I got the first prize.
12:52These are all,
12:53you know,
12:54technicians,
12:55perfect,
12:56instruments,
12:57the best.
12:58I had a little mess,
12:59shaking in my throat,
13:00you can imagine
13:01how much throat
13:02a flutist makes.
13:03What my dad bought
13:04from his sister,
13:06after she gave birth
13:07to a pig,
13:08of 150 kilos,
13:09with that money,
13:10he bought me a flute.
13:27In 1961,
13:28you sang in public
13:29for the first time,
13:31in Zagreb,
13:32when I was born.
13:34And in 1962,
13:35you already won
13:36at the Split Festival.
13:38No,
13:39I won in 1960.
13:40No,
13:41in 1959.
13:42Where is that data?
13:43I won in 1959.
13:44She got the data,
13:45let's say,
13:46from my failed
13:47producer.
13:51No, no,
13:52let me help you.
13:54In 1960,
13:55I was already
13:56in Opatija,
13:58as a flutist,
14:00but I already sang.
14:02I had a Belgrade Spring,
14:03I sang...
14:04Because I really
14:05don't remember that,
14:06I was born in 1961.
14:07But I recorded
14:08and we recorded
14:10San Remo,
14:13the late Danica Markulin.
14:15All of San Remo
14:16were recorded.
14:17The next day,
14:18the Croatian chorus
14:19was already finished.
14:21And we all recorded that.
14:22Then I was very important,
14:23I was invited by Telegram
14:24from Dubrovnik.
14:26Come,
14:27record
14:28Noturno,
14:29Senca Luna.
14:30Then I told everyone,
14:31you know,
14:32I'm going to Zagreb,
14:33I have to record,
14:34I have to record something,
14:35I have to go to Zagreb,
14:36I have to,
14:37I have to go to Zagreb.
14:38And tell me,
14:39when did you
14:40actually
14:41give up
14:42for the first time?
14:43You are...
14:44You found it.
14:45You found it.
14:46Everyone came to me
14:47and they give up.
14:48I will take you to a wedding
14:49and we will have fun.
14:50When I was a child,
14:51you were really
14:52a star.
14:53I dreamed
14:54to meet you
14:55and you were
14:56my favorite singer.
14:57Here you see.
14:58Favorite, definitely.
14:59I'm not anymore.
15:00You often performed
15:01in the MAG.
15:02In MAG,
15:03it was really
15:04like hockey.
15:05Claudio Villa
15:06was my favorite.
15:07Now you are gone.
15:08Yes, yes.
15:09During your birth,
15:10I mean,
15:11your growing up.
15:12My growing up, yes.
15:13Adoption and
15:14adoption of life.
15:15Yes, yes.
15:16And your first marriage.
15:17I got married
15:18when I was
15:1963 years old.
15:20Then I got married
15:21in 1962.
15:22Here.
15:23Here you are.
15:24For Mr. Mirunga.
15:25For Mr. Mirunga.
15:26How are you
15:27today?
15:28Good.
15:29Good.
15:30Good, yes.
15:31Very good.
15:32Very good
15:33because,
15:34because
15:35Alan
15:36is our son.
15:37It's normal.
15:38It wouldn't be nice
15:39if we weren't
15:40in a good relationship.
15:41Children connect.
15:42Very correct.
15:43They don't have to
15:44necessarily connect.
15:45They don't have to
15:46necessarily connect,
15:47but in our case.
15:48Have you always been
15:49in a good relationship?
15:50No.
15:51There was a period
15:52when we were a little
15:53grr, like that.
15:54Everyone had
15:55their reasons
15:56for grr.
15:57And Alan
15:58never testified
15:59because
16:00he was mine.
16:01I mean,
16:02he was always
16:03under my care.
16:04And all my tours
16:05around the world
16:06and on earth
16:07were all
16:08actually
16:09that
16:10I was waiting
16:11to come home,
16:12but when I was
16:13home,
16:14I was with him.
16:15And he never
16:16felt that
16:17I was not there.
16:18Otherwise,
16:19that's why
16:20I have him today.
16:21I have him so much.
16:22Why did Alan
16:23change his surname
16:24in one period
16:25in Kosovo?
16:26He changed it
16:27because
16:28for a long,
16:29long time
16:30he wasn't
16:31a father.
16:32I don't know
16:33if it is
16:34right to say
16:35that he wasn't
16:36Mario,
16:37but he was
16:38a child.
16:39I think
16:40he wasn't
16:41mature enough
16:42to understand
16:43what it means
16:44to have a son
16:45because a son
16:46needs a father.
16:47And then
16:48one morning
16:49he said,
16:50Mom,
16:51what should
16:52I do
16:53to take
16:54your surname,
16:55to change
16:56your surname?
16:57He was
16:58already
16:5918 years old.
17:00Yes,
17:01I remember
17:02that I was
17:03born in
17:04Kosovo.
17:05Much more
17:06than I was
17:07Hungarian.
17:08So,
17:09that's how it
17:10happened.
17:11But,
17:12thank God,
17:13it's all
17:14in the past now.
17:15He still
17:16has my
17:17surname.
17:18But in
17:19good terms.
17:20In very
17:21good terms.
17:22Now he is
17:23a father.
17:24Because he
17:25is a
17:26tourist worker.
17:27He has
17:28a group
17:29in France
17:30that he
17:31leads.
17:32So,
17:33he sings
17:34a little
17:35to the French
17:36women.
17:37So,
17:38they fall
17:39in love
17:40with him.
17:41So,
17:42they are
17:43happy.
17:44They have
17:45a beautiful
17:46family.
17:47She
17:48celebrates
17:49the Croatian
17:50people
17:51from her
17:52very early
17:53youth.
17:54And not
17:55only us,
17:56but she
17:57also visits
17:58Slovenia.
17:59Interestingly,
18:00she sacrificed
18:01her life.
18:02She was
18:03deprived
18:04of her
18:05property.
18:06However,
18:07she has
18:08so much
18:09strength
18:10to recover
18:11not only
18:12herself,
18:13but she
18:14also helped
18:15the Croatian
18:16people
18:17in those
18:18great
18:19actions
18:20she was
18:21involved in.
18:22I have
18:23no words
18:24because
18:25what she
18:26feels
18:27in her
18:28heart,
18:29is
18:30that
18:31she
18:32is
18:33a
18:34woman.
18:35She
18:36is a
18:37woman.
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18:39is a
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