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"Constitutional Court Banane ka Maqsad PTI Par Ban Aur Imran khan ko Military Court Say Saza Dilwana Hai" Salman Akram Raja's Statement
"Constitutional Court Banane ka Maqsad PTI Par Ban Aur Imran khan ko Military Court Say Saza Dilwana Hai" Salman Akram Raja's Statement
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00:00It is absolutely clear that the purpose of this is to ban PTI and to get Imran Khan punished by the military courts.
00:06So, Ayni Court is going to be formed. Do you think it will be formed?
00:10Look, it will be unfortunate if Ayni Court is formed and we destroy the Supreme Court.
00:16Especially at this time, when there is such a situation of clash.
00:20If someone says that Ayni Court is a good thing, then we accept it for a moment, but why today?
00:26You can talk about it after 2-3 months. You can talk about it with agreement.
00:30The way it was tried to make it in a way that it was a bloodbath,
00:34it is absolutely clear that whether the concept of Ayni Court is good or bad,
00:39it is being done on the basis of malice at this time.
00:41What do they want to achieve?
00:42They want to achieve what they have written in it,
00:45that its Chief Justice will be the appointed person of the Prime Minister
00:49and that Chief Justice will be appointed by the other judges on his behalf.
00:55It is an attempt to establish a kitchen court.
01:00So, you are calling it a kangaroo court as Benazir Bhutto sir called it.
01:04You can call it a kangaroo, you can call it a kitchen court from a kitchen cabinet.
01:08Look, this method is not right and this occasion and place is also not right.
01:12But do you have any principal objection to this?
01:14Yes, I do.
01:15Do you have any principal objection?
01:16I think that in our system, there are Ayni issues and other issues
01:23which we call military issues or civil issues or in the case of tax,
01:29there are Ayni issues everywhere.
01:31It is not possible, I think, in our system that we say that
01:35whatever Ayni point is raised, that case will go there.
01:38If Ayni point is not raised, it will go there.
01:41People will raise Ayni points for no reason.
01:43If they like that court more, then they will raise Ayni point.
01:46If they do not like that court, then they will not raise Ayni point,
01:49they will take it there.
01:50So, you are against it principally.
01:51Absolutely, I am against it.
01:52But the lawyer bodies are not against it.
01:55No, no, look what has happened in India.
01:57In India, they have made a constitutional bench.
02:00You say that for Ayni issues, instead of a separate court,
02:04there can be a separate bench which can do this work.
02:07So, it is absolutely wrong that you make a court on the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
02:12You have made a constitutional court in Ayni,
02:17where the Supreme Court was mentioned as the highest court of the land,
02:21that it is the duty of everyone to accept its decisions.
02:24Instead of that, you have made a federal constitutional court.
02:27So, this is such a big amendment.
02:29In my opinion, this amendment is going to change the basic structure of Ayni.
02:34And you are making such a court through a single person.
02:39That the Prime Minister will appoint the Chief Justice,
02:42and the Chief Justice will appoint the rest of the judges.
02:44The matter is over.
02:45What will happen?
02:46What we can see right now.
02:47Right now, our constitution says that,
02:49if the cabinet says about a political party that it is against Pakistan,
02:53it is against peace, it should be banned,
02:56then a reference is required.
02:58That reference will go to the Supreme Court right now, which is there right now.
03:01Here, a new court is being made,
03:03the constitution is being amended,
03:04that the reference piece should go to the new court.
03:06So, you are trying to ban it.
03:07Exactly, we can see it.
03:08Similarly, the amendment to the constitution,
03:11Article 8 is also being amended,
03:13which says that,
03:14the laws will not be contrary to the fundamental rights.
03:18Article 199, which gives the power to the High Courts to make decisions,
03:22to give directions,
03:23is also being amended there.
03:24That the matters related to national security,
03:27or related to them,
03:28So, all these amendments are political.
03:30Exactly, its purpose is very clear.
03:32Its purpose is to ban PTI.
03:34Its purpose is to get Imran Khan punished by the military courts.
03:37So, there will be a military trial and Imran Khan...
03:39And to do all this,
03:41they are spoiling the constitution.
03:43All this should not happen.
03:45But they are going way beyond this.
03:47Suppose, the government is being made.
03:49See, they are claiming again today,
03:51that two thirds of the constitution will be completed.
03:52I don't know how it has been completed.
03:53I think they have broken your man.
03:55See, they are doing this.
03:56First they broke him, then they broke him.
03:57They are also saying to 63A that...
03:59But that constitution will be amended, right?
04:01The constitution will be amended.
04:02The numbers will be completed.
04:03Before that, they are also making a decision.
04:05If the review is done, then there will be a debate.
04:07See, now at this time,
04:08our entire focus is on the amendment of the constitution.
04:11It depends on how many people become Lota.
04:14Does horse trading take place?
04:16So, through horse trading, we will amend the constitution.
04:18First, the courts will give a decision on 63A.
04:21According to that...
04:22After that, Lota will be made.
04:24See, our system is going on like this.
04:27Everyone can see that it is going on,
04:28but no one is aware of it.
04:29See, it is up to the people of Pakistan
04:31that you are arranging such a system.
04:33You are making such a constitutional structure
04:36whose foundation will be fraud.
04:40So, on the basis of fraud,
04:42you are setting up a constitutional system.
04:44This constitutional system will not work.
04:46See, you are telling the people of your country
04:48that the entire constitution, our legal system,
04:50all this is a dirty thing.
04:52These are frauds.
04:53These are weapons used for politics.
04:56We are ready to do anything for them.
04:58Honesty, tolerance, justice,
05:01there is no meaning to anything.
05:03We just have to kill a party.
05:05It is a means to end game.
05:06It is a means to end game.
05:07But it is not a game.
05:08This is the way.
05:09We have to achieve the goal.
05:10There is a way for that.
05:11But tell me one thing.
05:12The real problem is this.
05:13Like you said about 63A.
05:15Right now,
05:16see, my personal opinion can be anything.
05:18I think,
05:19I see the democracies of the outside world
05:21that they leave their people free
05:23to decide
05:24that they have to put a vote in favor of a constitution.
05:27No, it is not like that everywhere.
05:28It is not like that everywhere.
05:29But in developed democracies,
05:30you give them the right to do so.
05:32Leave this debate
05:34because it is not today's debate.
05:35But our perspective is different.
05:37I am talking about the perspective.
05:39There is horse trading here.
05:41People are being kidnapped here.
05:42Daughters, wives are being kidnapped.
05:44Look, we have to keep our background in front.
05:47It is not like that there.
05:48That is why I am saying that
05:49No institution comes at 2 in the night
05:51and breaks the doors of your house
05:53and tells you that you have to sign
05:55and you have to support.
05:56Otherwise, they are taking your wife.
05:57You are talking about the Punjab Police.
05:58I am sure.
05:59They are taking your wife.
06:00This has happened.
06:01The matter of Saadullah is in front of you.
06:02Okay.
06:03But now,
06:04if a constitutional court is formed
06:05and you are asked to come and debate,
06:06tell me,
06:07who is the Chief Justice of this court?
06:08The Prime Minister calls your Leader of the Opposition.
06:10Will you make him?
06:11Will you give a name
06:12or make him?
06:13Make him.
06:14They are not even asking.
06:15They are saying that the Prime Minister will make.
06:17Where is it written
06:18that there will be a debate?
06:19Assume that there will be a debate.
06:20Look,
06:21at the moment,
06:22we think that
06:23this is not the right time.
06:24This is not the right time.
06:25Their intention is bad.
06:26We will defend
06:27all the actions
06:28of this constitutional amendment.
06:29We also condemn it.
06:30We will not be a part of it.
06:31Will you be a part
06:32of any constitutional amendment?
06:33Not at the moment.
06:34We think that
06:35whatever is happening at the moment,
06:36its purpose is based.
06:37You can talk to us
06:38after three months.
06:39Will you get specific sessions
06:40after this decision?
06:41I can tell you
06:42that you will not get it.
06:43Look,
06:44if you say that
06:45The system has come to defiance.
06:46The system is defying.
06:47We have decided
06:48in the Supreme Court
06:49that we will not
06:50be a part
06:51of any constitutional amendment.
06:52We have decided
06:53that we will not
06:54accept the Supreme Court's decision
06:55because we have decided
06:56that this is against the constitution.
06:57After this,
06:58your entire system
06:59will fall.
07:00After this,
07:01you are giving
07:02an open release
07:03to the government,
07:04to other institutions,
07:05to the Election Commission
07:06that if you like any decision,
07:07then accept it.
07:08If you don't like it,
07:09then don't accept it.
07:10We have already done this
07:11last year
07:12when we did not get
07:13an election in the 90th day.
07:14We have clearly
07:15violated the constitution.
07:16We have been running it
07:17for a year and 13 months.
07:18So people have
07:19removed their gloves.
07:20Only their hands have been removed.
07:21Now the problem is
07:22that whoever suits them
07:23politically,
07:24they will do it.
07:25That is why
07:26all of us as citizens
07:27should accept
07:28that the state of Pakistan
07:29is collapsing right now.
07:30Look,
07:31a state is established
07:32on its own
07:33constitutional and
07:34legal system.
07:35When you start
07:36collapsing the
07:37constitutional and
07:38legal system,
07:39then you are
07:40collapsing the state.
07:41You are telling me
07:42that in this country
07:43the constitution
07:44is nothing.
07:45Until then,
07:46the constitution
07:47will be tolerated
07:48as long as
07:49it is in accordance
07:50with the laws
07:51of this country.
07:52If we have
07:53a different
07:54intention,
07:55then we will
07:56do this and
07:57that.
07:58When you
07:59put this message
08:00in the minds
08:01of the citizens
08:02of this country,
08:03put it in the
08:04minds of the
08:05children,
08:06put it in the
08:07minds of the
08:08youth,
08:09then your
08:10attitude of
08:11lawlessness,
08:12force,
08:13pick up a
08:14gun,
08:15pick up a
08:16gun and
08:17achieve your
08:18goal,
08:19then you
08:20are
08:21destroying
08:22the constitution
08:23and the
08:24law.