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00:30Judiciary is also a pillar and so is Mukundana.
00:34Parliament has the right to make its own laws, right?
00:39It does not have the right to make blind laws.
00:41What are the parameters?
00:42The constitution.
00:43And the right to amend the constitution?
00:44There is a spirit of the constitution.
00:45Can you take all the fundamental rights of the people of Pakistan from the constitution?
00:50Please tell me.
00:52Absolutely not.
00:53Then?
00:54Parliament is sovereign and has the right to amend it.
00:57But it does not have the right to amend everything.
00:59You do not have the right to make amends in the spirit of the constitution.
01:05How can you make amends in the spirit of the constitution, Mr. Abbas?
01:08That a separate court is being made which listens to the constitutional matters
01:12and the issues of the people are listened to by a court.
01:15I just want to understand that.
01:16Yes.
01:17Who will be the judge of that?
01:19As soon as the method changes, it is fine.
01:21Who will be the Chief Judge of Pakistan?
01:23If the method they are doing…
01:25Where will the authority of the Supreme Court end and a new court will start?
01:31This is a very difficult question.
01:34Countries that operate in the common law domain do not have constitutional courts.
01:39This is not understood.
01:42Study this.
01:43Keep this in front of the people.
01:45This is what we want to do.
01:46Debate.
01:47Defend the government.
01:48People comment on it.
01:50There is a program every day in Anika Nisar's program.
01:53Five to six people come.
01:54To talk about it, I am in favour of it.
01:56These are the reasons.
01:57It should be done.
01:58It is very important.
01:59The country is not running without anyone.
02:00Today, this matter will create more confusion in your country.
02:04There will be more confusion.
02:05You are talking about a very interesting debate.
02:07The problem in the debate is…
02:09Not a problem.
02:10Actually, it is a good thing.
02:11For example, if there is a debate,
02:13the political parties that were a part of the 18th amendment
02:17or the people's party that brought the 18th amendment,
02:20had a total of 355 hours of debate.
02:23Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is saying today that we will try to complete the number.
02:28The party that made the constitution
02:30and the party that brought the 18th amendment
02:32are ready to amend it.
02:34Has there been any change in the party?
02:36Because PTI is saying that this was not expected from Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
02:39Were you expecting this?
02:40The party that will take part in this kind of action,
02:45that without reading the constitution,
02:48and the parties that are very divided,
02:51will lose their democratic credentials.
02:54Tomorrow, they will say whatever they want.
02:56Remember this.
02:57Including Mr. Maulana.
02:58Including Mr. Maulana.
02:59Mr. Maulana has stopped it.
03:01The corruption that has stopped today,
03:03if anyone wants to give credit,
03:04it is Mr. Maulana.
03:05Mr. Maulana has just said this much,
03:07let me see what you do.
03:08This has been delayed.
03:09It has not stopped.
03:10It has stopped.
03:11You are saying that we will make our own debate,
03:13the people's party will make their own debate,
03:14and then we will compare it.
03:16It will be a competition.
03:18What you are doing,
03:19you should bring it somewhere.
03:21I know,
03:23what is the problem,
03:26that in the darkness of the night,
03:28you are doing a constitutional amendment,
03:29which no one has seen.
03:30Neither the people of Pakistan have seen it,
03:32nor the parliament members have seen it.
03:34What is the problem?
03:36If it is not amended,
03:37does it mean that Pakistan is closed?
03:39This question is very valid.
03:40What kind of democracy is this in this country?
03:42This question is valid.
03:43What kind of thinking is this?
03:44This is not valid.
03:45You are absolutely right,
03:47to make the parliament sit on Saturday and Sunday,
03:49and that too at night.
03:50This is a demonstration,
03:54that this was being stolen in the country.
03:56The country's constitution was being looted.
03:59Now in the darkness of the night,
04:01you were adamant that you had to pass it tonight.
04:04Abbas sahib,
04:05now the issue that is being created,
04:08is that one move is taken by the government or parliament,
04:12and on the other hand,
04:13the answer comes from the Supreme Court.
04:16And this situation is going on to and fro.
04:19For how long can we sustain this?
04:21This is in the interest of the country.
04:23There is no time to make moves.
04:25This is a matter of the people.
04:27There is a shortage in all this.
04:29The issue of the people is closed.
04:31The government is adamant that
04:33the Supreme Court's decision is not acceptable to us.
04:36You make laws to negate that decision.
04:39You pass laws,
04:40night and day.
04:41Is this the way to negate democracy?
04:44What has the Supreme Court said that is wrong?
04:46Let's have a debate on that in the country.
04:48If you were the Prime Minister of the country today,
04:50what would you do to diffuse this situation?
04:52I would not let this situation arise.
04:55Now it has happened.
04:56What do you do now?
04:57If it has happened, let's step back.
04:58Let's step back.
04:59Let's not reform.
05:00Let's not reform.
05:01You want to reform,
05:02then bring it.
05:03Let's put reform in front of the people.
05:06Right.
05:07Shahid Khan Abbas sahib,
05:08thank you very much for joining me in the program.