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00:00:0040 feet, one out of three.
00:00:07Stand by.
00:00:1025.
00:00:22When I was little, I wanted to be a lot of things.
00:00:26Astronaut, that was somewhere in the first place.
00:00:29Then they told me that women can't do that.
00:00:31I was terribly disappointed.
00:00:33I wanted to be a man for a while.
00:00:35It took me a long time.
00:00:37Then they told me that I can't do that either.
00:00:39Then I thought, what's the closest thing to that?
00:00:41Then I thought, actress.
00:00:43I just want to get a man's role one day.
00:00:45Jelena Veljača, 28 years old,
00:00:47as if this statement a few years ago
00:00:49implanted a classic paradox around her.
00:00:51Is she an actress, a writer, or just a celebrity?
00:00:54The other pair is about the female position
00:00:56in Croatia's male-centric environment.
00:00:59Her presence seems to be a division
00:01:01between those who sympathize with her
00:01:03and those who find it hard to bear.
00:01:05Jelena Veljača has what Diana Vreeland,
00:01:08a great fashion saint who started Harper's Bazaar and Vogue,
00:01:12called an allure.
00:01:14It's a kind of deeper glamour, let's say.
00:01:18And I think that's something that's very coveted.
00:01:23She has a special look.
00:01:26I think that's what convinced her.
00:01:28I think that our blue Jelena
00:01:30calls attention in many ways.
00:01:32Serom Sapunica will be at the center of that attention,
00:01:35as an actress in them.
00:01:37Tell me, son, what happened?
00:01:39Later, as an incredibly attractive object of yellow prints,
00:01:43which she herself never dared to do.
00:01:46If there was anything I could measure,
00:01:49I could measure too much,
00:01:51given her talent,
00:01:53she has too much of a tendency
00:01:55to some kind of trendy waves
00:01:58that come from fashion to I don't know what.
00:02:01In the category Best Dressed Actress,
00:02:03the nominees are...
00:02:07Jelena Veljača.
00:02:14It's not Ožujak, but it's...
00:02:16Jelena Veljača!
00:02:18Jelena Veljača.
00:02:23That's her status.
00:02:25Regardless of what she started doing,
00:02:27whether she wrote columns
00:02:29or, like Željko Mavrović,
00:02:31built ecological mines,
00:02:33she will always be Jelena Veljača.
00:02:35The fact that Jelena Veljača wanted to be someone else,
00:02:38for example, because Brečov, Sex and the City
00:02:40was made the writer Miljenka Jergović,
00:02:42so she started quite sharply,
00:02:44now she's already a colleague.
00:02:47I've heard that somewhere,
00:02:49so I'm going to repeat it,
00:02:51as if Marija Jurić was attacked by a rabbit in Zagorje.
00:02:54I mean, Miljenka Jergović and Jelena Veljača
00:02:56do completely different kinds of columns,
00:02:58completely different kinds of writing,
00:03:00they write different books and so on,
00:03:02those are different categories.
00:03:04After the play, and before the column,
00:03:06there are scenarios for Sapunica,
00:03:08then still in a private business relationship
00:03:10with the producer Roman Majetić.
00:03:12She gave up on this,
00:03:14she gave up on the incredible adventure
00:03:16of writing the scenario for Sapunica,
00:03:18which I don't know if anyone else would,
00:03:20let's say Robert Naprta,
00:03:22who was much more experienced writer than her,
00:03:24he was the first to write Sapunica,
00:03:26as we know, he withdrew,
00:03:28he was in Zagorje,
00:03:30he wrote it in full eight,
00:03:32he didn't dare to tell anyone,
00:03:34for months and so on,
00:03:36she did it in some way,
00:03:38with some normal life.
00:03:40She wrote, let the viewers now ask
00:03:42how is it possible,
00:03:44four and a half thousand pages,
00:03:46four and a half thousand pages
00:03:48to write is already
00:03:50a physical challenge.
00:03:52After the scenario for Ponos Ratkajević,
00:03:54which was written by two other screenwriters,
00:03:56and which had an interesting anti-fascist
00:03:58appeal and active rating,
00:04:00Majetić's departure and engagement
00:04:02in the newspapers.
00:04:04Before that, there are also the cracks
00:04:06of that departure, accusations for plagiarism,
00:04:08and even a short-term affair
00:04:10in which, quite honestly,
00:04:12she refers to her insecurity
00:04:14and bewilderment.
00:04:16She is really frail,
00:04:18she is not as strong as she looks,
00:04:20she is frail,
00:04:22and that is actually the beauty,
00:04:24that she is frail.
00:04:26I fell in love, I have a boy,
00:04:28and I want to say that to my father,
00:04:30because there is a lot of hiding,
00:04:32when he only had my faculty
00:04:34and my grades.
00:04:36Throughout her work,
00:04:38she cannot say that she lacked criticism
00:04:40and attack on her account.
00:04:42And no one will see that,
00:04:44in fact, she is attacking a girl
00:04:46who constantly writes that she is very difficult
00:04:48to deal with criticism,
00:04:50who almost practically,
00:04:52now this is the last column she wrote,
00:04:54admitted that she gave up acting,
00:04:56because for her,
00:04:58according to her mental state,
00:05:00that job is almost too difficult.
00:05:02With acting, it seems to me,
00:05:04at least for now, it's over.
00:05:06Maybe just because of what we just heard,
00:05:08a message of encouragement for the end.
00:05:10I must admit that I am,
00:05:12like most writers in Croatia,
00:05:14I have a little love for Jelena Veljic,
00:05:16because she is young,
00:05:18comfortable and well-paid writer.
00:05:20And I am just one,
00:05:22this last quarter,
00:05:24just a writer.
00:05:26And that's why I would like to greet her nicely
00:05:28and let her continue to do what she does.
00:05:30Who likes me well,
00:05:32who doesn't like me,
00:05:34I don't know.
00:05:36I will leave it to you.
00:05:40Good afternoon dear viewers.
00:05:42You see who's the guest.
00:05:44Good afternoon to you too, Jelena.
00:05:46Welcome to the show.
00:05:48Good afternoon.
00:05:50There are terrible prejudices about you.
00:05:52They say you are blue, young,
00:05:54ugly and stupid.
00:05:56How do you fight against that?
00:05:58I mean, let's start
00:06:00a little bit
00:06:02I'm going to digress a bit, but do you really think that's a prejudice?
00:06:08Good question. How to fight against it? I haven't found a recipe yet.
00:06:13And somehow, through those columns, every week, I talk about how...
00:06:18In a way, I always think that I've found a recipe.
00:06:21And then I realize along the way that I haven't.
00:06:24And that it still hurts me, that it still bothers me.
00:06:26So, I wouldn't know the answer to that question.
00:06:29If I ever find out, I'll definitely write it.
00:06:31Okay, but in general, why do you think that girls like you
00:06:34are so suitable for spitting, for some kind of contempt,
00:06:39for running away, for affairs?
00:06:42Well, I think... I can only speak concretely about myself.
00:06:45So, I think that I have... that I'm a fertile ground
00:06:50because I'm a public figure,
00:06:53and because I started at the age of 23 as a starlet in Saponica,
00:06:57let's be honest,
00:06:58and that people really didn't expect me to turn around and say,
00:07:03I know how to do something else, I want to do something else,
00:07:05I want to establish myself as a columnist, that is, as a writer.
00:07:10It may sound pretentious to them,
00:07:11it may sound like entering someone's territory.
00:07:15So, damn you, you should only act in Saponica,
00:07:19let go of your hair and say those stupid, I love you, I don't like you sentences.
00:07:22Does that mean that job is stupid?
00:07:24No, no. So, we're talking about prejudices.
00:07:26I don't think it's stupid. I think that... I've been through it.
00:07:30I've been through it in front of the camera,
00:07:32and later I wrote about that same Saponica.
00:07:34A large part of my professional life is related to Saponica, so...
00:07:39I don't think so, but those are prejudices that exist.
00:07:41What to lie about, right?
00:07:42Well, you wrote that people think you're smarter
00:07:45while you're on your low heels, while you're undressed,
00:07:47while you're not wearing makeup, when you don't have a hairdryer.
00:07:50That's true, yes.
00:07:51Really?
00:07:51Here, to move away a little from myself,
00:07:54I was thinking about that while I was driving from Umaga to you,
00:07:58and I remembered Milan Vukovic-Runjic,
00:08:01whom I highly appreciate,
00:08:03who once had a very similar attack.
00:08:05I think it was about her neckline and too high heels.
00:08:09I personally participated in a private conversation
00:08:13between my boyfriend and a translator whom I highly appreciate,
00:08:16and whose name is a great translator,
00:08:18who said to Milan, to one of her journalists,
00:08:23well, she said it as a comment,
00:08:24it was an interesting social display of the faculty blockade,
00:08:28that is, her opinion on it.
00:08:30He said, well, she came to see it,
00:08:32and then she turned to her heel.
00:08:34Now, that probably meant,
00:08:36that is, it certainly meant
00:08:38that he didn't like her opinion on it,
00:08:40that is, that he didn't agree with her.
00:08:42I'm just not quite sure what kind of heel
00:08:44has to do with the whole story.
00:08:46That is, the heel is obviously a symbol,
00:08:48even among intellectuals,
00:08:51of stupidity, banality,
00:08:53of pretentiousness,
00:08:54which sounds to me,
00:08:55in itself, pretentious, stupid and banal.
00:08:58The heel, what is it a symbol of,
00:08:59if it's not that?
00:09:01So, let's face it.
00:09:02Nice shoes.
00:09:04Shoes that lengthen the leg, I don't know.
00:09:06Shoes that, in some metaphorical sense,
00:09:11put a woman at the height of a man.
00:09:14That's what one of my columns said.
00:09:16It may sound a bit song-like,
00:09:17but you can look at it that way.
00:09:22You write a column in the morning newspaper.
00:09:24Is that a challenge for you?
00:09:25How long have you been writing it for?
00:09:26Almost a year now.
00:09:28It will be a year soon, yes.
00:09:29Is that a challenge?
00:09:30Absolutely.
00:09:31You fill out the whole page.
00:09:32Absolutely, it's a challenge, yes.
00:09:34When I started,
00:09:35I really expected every week
00:09:36that they would say,
00:09:37that they would thank me,
00:09:38that that's not it,
00:09:39that they don't need such a female writing,
00:09:43that they don't need,
00:09:45as Netko nicely said,
00:09:47you probably already named it
00:09:49the Croatian version of Sex and City.
00:09:50However, that didn't happen.
00:09:52So, from week to week,
00:09:54all the positive comments started.
00:09:56That's still a challenge for me.
00:09:57I'm still shaking with fear
00:09:59every Thursday evening
00:10:00when I go through my morning newspaper.
00:10:05One question.
00:10:06I don't ask it,
00:10:07it just goes through my mouth.
00:10:09It says,
00:10:09Jelena, do you write about anything
00:10:11except yourself?
00:10:12My poor editor.
00:10:13Yes, yes, the editor asked you that question.
00:10:15Yes.
00:10:16The editor asked that question
00:10:18on the recent anniversary of my graduation.
00:10:20Yes.
00:10:20I think it was actually an attempt
00:10:22to make a joke,
00:10:23which I realized a little earlier,
00:10:25of course, I also wrote other things.
00:10:27Some of them took place
00:10:28during the Second World War,
00:10:30so I certainly don't write only about myself,
00:10:32but the columnistry of that kind
00:10:36is always intimate
00:10:37and always starts from some
00:10:39intimate experiences
00:10:41towards global ones.
00:10:42At least that's what I'm trying to do.
00:10:43So, from my own experience,
00:10:44to move towards a common social problem
00:10:46that could bother other women
00:10:48besides me.
00:10:49But I take myself as an example
00:10:51because I think that honesty
00:10:53is something that is read the most beautifully.
00:10:55At least I like to read it.
00:10:59Dominant topics are male-female relationships.
00:11:01Why?
00:11:02That's what intrigues you the most.
00:11:03Absolutely, yes.
00:11:04It has always intrigued me.
00:11:06I mean, it's just a topic
00:11:08that I think about,
00:11:09that I like to read about,
00:11:10that I like to think about,
00:11:11that I like to analyze,
00:11:12and that's it.
00:11:14When you write about that topic,
00:11:16do women want to be similar to men today?
00:11:18And if so, is that good?
00:11:22I don't think they want to be similar to men.
00:11:24No.
00:11:25I think there are differences
00:11:28between women and men,
00:11:29something that should be celebrated.
00:11:31I think they want to be equal.
00:11:35I think they want to be taken seriously
00:11:37or equally seriously.
00:11:39Can they be equal
00:11:40if they are not equally
00:11:42rude and rude?
00:11:44No.
00:11:45No?
00:11:46No.
00:11:47Unfortunately.
00:11:48That's the similarity I'm talking about.
00:11:50Do they want to be similar to men?
00:11:52Do they want to be equally rude?
00:11:54No, they want to be equally respected
00:11:56without being rude.
00:11:58Yesterday, I was buying croissants
00:12:00at the supermarket,
00:12:02and a 53-year-old gentleman
00:12:04said to me,
00:12:05eat something, girl.
00:12:07I'm a big eater,
00:12:09I'm aware of that,
00:12:10but I didn't need to tell him
00:12:12to take off his beer cap
00:12:14or his jacket
00:12:16because it's just
00:12:18a matter of
00:12:20domestic violence
00:12:22or bonton, I don't know how to call it.
00:12:24That's an example.
00:12:25Women experience such things
00:12:27at every step.
00:12:29Yes.
00:12:30Now you're talking.
00:12:32That's the topic,
00:12:33hungry and comfortable.
00:12:34Do women
00:12:36adapt their worldview
00:12:38to...
00:12:39Feed.
00:12:40No, not feed,
00:12:41but to some male perception of the world?
00:12:43In the end,
00:12:45to male sexual fantasies,
00:12:47if nothing else.
00:12:48Does that become an imperative today?
00:12:50I'll quote you Tena Štivičić,
00:12:52who was my guest a year and a half ago.
00:12:54She says that being sexually attractive
00:12:56to men has become
00:12:58an imperative of today's 30-year-old girls.
00:13:00Is it?
00:13:02Good question.
00:13:04I honestly have no idea.
00:13:06I'd love to say
00:13:08that it's not true.
00:13:10I'd love to deny it,
00:13:12but unfortunately,
00:13:14as I'm approaching my 30s
00:13:16and my social circle of friends,
00:13:18I think there's more and more
00:13:20truth in it.
00:13:22It's very sad for me,
00:13:24although I recognize it
00:13:26in some of my colleagues
00:13:28and friends
00:13:30who are extremely intelligent,
00:13:32affirmed,
00:13:34very independent
00:13:36and so on.
00:13:38So, it doesn't depend on men,
00:13:40except emotionally.
00:13:42So, it's obviously a deeply
00:13:44implanted insecurity
00:13:46which, I'm going to say
00:13:48a big sentence, society
00:13:50somehow raises.
00:13:52I don't think it's something
00:13:54that is aware of us.
00:13:56So, I don't know,
00:13:58I'm 28 years old,
00:14:00so maybe in five years
00:14:02I'll be telling you
00:14:04how to say it nicely,
00:14:06to men.
00:14:08I suggest it to men
00:14:10with sexual fantasies.
00:14:12Yes, yes.
00:14:14I think it's not
00:14:16illegitimate,
00:14:18but someone should stay
00:14:20in some level of privacy.
00:14:22Absolutely, yes.
00:14:24You mentioned here
00:14:26your weight.
00:14:28You yourself wrote
00:14:30that you have 50 kg.
00:14:32Yes.
00:14:34No, he just wanted
00:14:36to say something.
00:14:38I think he doesn't know
00:14:40what anorexia is.
00:14:42No, it's not anorexia.
00:14:44Do you get hungry?
00:14:46No, absolutely not.
00:14:48I think it's stupid
00:14:50to talk about it in this show.
00:14:52Yes, it's very stupid,
00:14:54but I'll answer that question
00:14:56because I have nothing to hide.
00:14:58I absolutely don't get hungry.
00:15:00In the column you just mentioned,
00:15:02where I wrote how much I weigh,
00:15:04I also wrote
00:15:06that I really get hungry
00:15:08from nervousness, stress and fatigue,
00:15:10just like some women
00:15:12eat out of anxiety.
00:15:14Many women eat out of anxiety
00:15:16when they lack love, attention,
00:15:18tenderness and touch.
00:15:20It's even called
00:15:22comfort eating in psychology.
00:15:24They really enjoy food.
00:15:26Well, I have...
00:15:28There are also women
00:15:30who function in a different way.
00:15:32Their metabolism simply
00:15:34functions differently.
00:15:36It's stupid that someone
00:15:38has to justify themselves
00:15:40because of how much they weigh.
00:15:42Besides, it's genetics.
00:15:44I don't think we'll get into
00:15:46the banal topic of
00:15:48why I have 50 kg.
00:15:50I wanted to stay on the topic
00:15:52of women's adaptation
00:15:54to men's worldviews and desires.
00:15:56I met a woman by chance
00:15:58who is 7 years old
00:16:00who is already unhappy
00:16:02because she's not blue
00:16:04and wants to dye her hair blue
00:16:06because her kids don't notice her.
00:16:08That's what I'm talking about.
00:16:10Unfortunately, society feeds that.
00:16:12Not just our society,
00:16:14society in general feeds that.
00:16:16It even feeds parents unconsciously.
00:16:18I know examples of women
00:16:20who would take their daughter
00:16:22for lunch on the street.
00:16:24I don't know how old she is now.
00:16:26It's like they're taking a picture
00:16:28or an autograph of me.
00:16:30That's my excess of acting in soap operas.
00:16:32Why do you call it an excess?
00:16:34It's like you're ashamed of it.
00:16:36Why?
00:16:38It's not the most important thing
00:16:40I've done in my life.
00:16:42I'm not ashamed of it.
00:16:44I've had enough.
00:16:46Many famous actresses
00:16:48act in soap operas.
00:16:50That's true.
00:16:52I'm not ashamed
00:16:54of acting in soap operas.
00:16:56I've done a lot of things.
00:16:58I've written for soap operas.
00:17:00I've acted.
00:17:02It's just that
00:17:04it brought me a whole
00:17:06coquettishness with the media.
00:17:08Syntagma of a public figure
00:17:10who is glued to my forehead.
00:17:12It's a trauma.
00:17:14Didn't it bother you in the beginning?
00:17:16No.
00:17:18I didn't want it to be so serious.
00:17:20I didn't expect it to be
00:17:22a few months of coquettishness
00:17:24and 5 minutes of fame.
00:17:26I didn't think
00:17:28it would happen.
00:17:30It was my first soap opera.
00:17:32I didn't have a chance
00:17:34to compare it.
00:17:36I didn't have a chance
00:17:38to see someone
00:17:40who was so exposed.
00:17:42Is it infantile that someone
00:17:44who studies drama
00:17:46doesn't expect public attention?
00:17:48I can tell you the names
00:17:50of the top actors
00:17:52who studied at that academy.
00:17:54You won't know anything
00:17:56about them.
00:17:58Maybe they protect
00:18:00their privacy.
00:18:02Maybe they are much smarter.
00:18:04Maybe they have been affirmed
00:18:06through TV as old people.
00:18:08I think they are 23 years old.
00:18:10You are too young, too naive, too green.
00:18:12I'm talking about myself.
00:18:14The media weren't that yellow.
00:18:16They really weren't.
00:18:18I know when I grew up,
00:18:20and that means when you grew up,
00:18:22there were no tabloids.
00:18:24Things have changed.
00:18:26Let's not talk about tabloids
00:18:28for a while.
00:18:30I want to ask you,
00:18:32you mentioned it here,
00:18:34we saw it in the introduction.
00:18:36A writer said that what you write
00:18:38in the morning news
00:18:40smells like a sexy city.
00:18:42It concludes as much as
00:18:44a sexy city.
00:18:46Do you, as a citizen,
00:18:48try to portray
00:18:50a small Zagreb, a small Croatia,
00:18:52what they do in New York,
00:18:54in a sexy city?
00:18:58Well, first of all,
00:19:00I'm very glad
00:19:02that this gentleman
00:19:04read the columns
00:19:06about the sexy city
00:19:08and that he watched it,
00:19:10because he has to do
00:19:12something about it.
00:19:14As far as the sexy city is concerned,
00:19:16I don't think it's a question of New York.
00:19:18Of course, New York is the fifth
00:19:20character in the sexy city.
00:19:22It even has its own character.
00:19:24The girls even talk to it.
00:19:26Certain episodes are dedicated
00:19:28to that city, but that's not the point.
00:19:30That's not why women love
00:19:32the sexy city and why it
00:19:34became a cult series.
00:19:36That's not New York.
00:19:38That's women's freedom.
00:19:40It's a new kind of revolution
00:19:42that is not only sexual,
00:19:44but also emotional.
00:19:46It goes inward,
00:19:48it doesn't go like
00:19:50I have the right to sleep
00:19:52whenever I want, I have the right
00:19:54not to wear anything,
00:19:56but I have the right
00:19:58to look for what I want
00:20:00from life and make a mistake
00:20:02along the way.
00:20:04And, of course,
00:20:06in that context,
00:20:08that self-analysis
00:20:10and search for yourself
00:20:12can be traced to any
00:20:14environment, even less than Zagreb.
00:20:16According to that, yes,
00:20:18a woman who questions herself,
00:20:20a woman who tries to find herself,
00:20:22who doubts her choices
00:20:24and who doesn't make choices
00:20:26that are socially acceptable,
00:20:28socially easiest,
00:20:30there is definitely a New York,
00:20:32a Zagreb, a Turopolj and,
00:20:34I don't want to mention,
00:20:36for this column of yours,
00:20:38Anasta, you give the introduction
00:20:40of your private life.
00:20:42Why do you do that?
00:20:44I have already answered you.
00:20:46Yes, you said that it is
00:20:48that kind of genre.
00:20:50Yes, and I really think
00:20:52that writing about
00:20:54male-female relations
00:20:56or about how a woman
00:20:58deals with prejudices,
00:21:00fear, hypochondria,
00:21:02everything I cover in that,
00:21:04would be hypocritical
00:21:06and would not have
00:21:08such an effect.
00:21:10Jelena, is it hypocritical
00:21:12to expect that the media
00:21:14will not want to dig deeper
00:21:16into your privacy,
00:21:18if you already expose it yourself?
00:21:20That is a great question
00:21:22and the answer is quite incredible.
00:21:24I was terribly afraid of that part
00:21:26when I started writing,
00:21:28because I knew that I would write
00:21:30as my partner says about herself
00:21:32and in the first few columns
00:21:34I was really afraid
00:21:36to reveal too much,
00:21:38so that the secrets,
00:21:40as I call them,
00:21:42would not escape.
00:21:44They put it in their cheap context
00:21:46and packed it with cheap sentences.
00:21:48However, I think that those texts
00:21:50are too long for them,
00:21:52because nothing, very rarely,
00:21:54I think that something
00:21:56came out of the column once,
00:21:58so nothing, not even that
00:22:00I understand your question.
00:22:02That is just an exaggeration.
00:22:04If you write in your columns
00:22:06and expose your life in a way,
00:22:08I am not saying that it is bad,
00:22:10it is good for me,
00:22:12however, if you write about
00:22:14arguing with a boy,
00:22:16how does he react?
00:22:18He threatens to jump out of the window
00:22:20and you cry on the sidewalk.
00:22:22You are both actors,
00:22:24so it is difficult for you
00:22:26because you cannot keep your privacy
00:22:28and the media would not want to read
00:22:30your private text messages.
00:22:32That is just a step forward.
00:22:34Ok, I am confusing the question,
00:22:36but the thing is,
00:22:38it is really about control.
00:22:40I think that every writer
00:22:42writes about himself,
00:22:44even in Harry Potter,
00:22:46the biographical elements.
00:22:48So, as a writer,
00:22:50or a columnist,
00:22:52I simply think
00:22:54that I have the right
00:22:56to write about my experiences
00:22:58and my life.
00:23:00I do not think that a person
00:23:02who stands 20 meters behind me
00:23:04with a telephoto lens
00:23:06and a picture of a half-naked woman
00:23:08for Miss Congo,
00:23:10has the right to take a picture
00:23:12of someone's mobile phone.
00:23:14There is a limit.
00:23:16I can see your mobile phone
00:23:18while we are preparing for the show,
00:23:20you go to the toilet,
00:23:22your girlfriend writes to you,
00:23:24I understand you in a way,
00:23:26because it would mean
00:23:28that you are wearing a short skirt
00:23:30and you are giving a reason to force.
00:23:32However,
00:23:34in this world,
00:23:36you are 28 years old,
00:23:38it is that simple.
00:23:40If you are already playing,
00:23:42then try to accept
00:23:44the fact that it will
00:23:46happen to you one day.
00:23:48It does not happen to me because of the column.
00:23:50I said that right at the beginning.
00:23:52When I crossed the line
00:23:54that it was uncomfortable for me
00:23:56how much I discovered,
00:23:58I was really afraid
00:24:00that it would happen.
00:24:02Nothing happened.
00:24:04It happened to me
00:24:06in the most unbelievable
00:24:08possible way.
00:24:10With a photo,
00:24:12with a telephoto lens
00:24:14of a mobile phone.
00:24:16I don't think it's okay
00:24:18and I don't think
00:24:20it's okay.
00:24:22If you are an actress,
00:24:24why don't you act in such situations?
00:24:26You act uninterested,
00:24:28at least in front of the public.
00:24:30I would like that.
00:24:32Many people advised me
00:24:34but I just don't know.
00:24:36I really don't know.
00:24:38I don't know a better answer
00:24:40to that question.
00:24:42Such things hit me emotionally.
00:24:44I experience it very personally.
00:24:46In a certain way,
00:24:48in my private space,
00:24:50where I think everyone has the right,
00:24:52there was
00:24:54Dita von Teese
00:24:56who is also a showgirl.
00:24:58She really crosses the line.
00:25:00She reveals her body.
00:25:02Why would she reveal her SMS messages?
00:25:04I also think that
00:25:06an avant-garde director
00:25:08can make an excellent
00:25:10conceptual performance
00:25:12based on SMS messages.
00:25:14It doesn't mean that I have the right
00:25:16to make the same mess
00:25:18after the show.
00:25:20I'm talking about
00:25:22how to make life easier.
00:25:24That's all.
00:25:26I don't know that
00:25:28in many fields.
00:25:30Not only in that.
00:25:32One of such ways
00:25:34can be the silence of the press.
00:25:36Not to give interviews.
00:25:38That's enough for me.
00:25:40I received an e-mail
00:25:42from a revolted viewer
00:25:44who asked me
00:25:46what I should have said
00:25:48in the story a month and a half ago.
00:25:50You are Angelina Jolie,
00:25:52your boyfriend is Brad Pitt.
00:25:54I won't finish the sentence.
00:25:56It's simple.
00:25:58In such things,
00:26:00it is often stated
00:26:02that what is done in the news
00:26:04is serious.
00:26:06That's true.
00:26:08But why Brad Pitt?
00:26:10She is Angelina Jolie.
00:26:12I agree with your viewer
00:26:14and her comment.
00:26:16But now I would like
00:26:18to use this opportunity
00:26:20and return to my colleague Pavlica.
00:26:22She said that I am
00:26:24a well-paid writer.
00:26:26I am just a writer.
00:26:30We did the photo session
00:26:32for money.
00:26:36Since my boyfriend is an actor
00:26:38and I am
00:26:40an actress,
00:26:42I studied acting.
00:26:44We thought about it for a long time
00:26:46and we decided
00:26:48that this offer
00:26:50is enough
00:26:52to satisfy
00:26:54our mental needs.
00:26:56If you do something
00:26:58that is uncomfortable for you
00:27:00and you have to talk about it later,
00:27:02that's it.
00:27:04You made a deal with the enemy.
00:27:06You can't complain.
00:27:08We made a deal,
00:27:10but I think that
00:27:12it is not enough.
00:27:16It is a legitimate way
00:27:18to make money,
00:27:20but you have to stand behind it.
00:27:22Absolutely.
00:27:24Celebrities perceive you
00:27:26as a celebrity.
00:27:28What is a celebrity for you in Croatia?
00:27:30I wrote two great texts
00:27:32about it.
00:27:34I think that
00:27:36they said enough.
00:27:38I don't know how to quote myself.
00:27:40I haven't reached the level
00:27:42of a narcissist yet.
00:27:44Celebrities in Croatia
00:27:46are a bit ridiculous.
00:27:48That's what they called me,
00:27:50so I know that it is ridiculous.
00:27:54Why is it ridiculous?
00:27:56It means absolutely nothing to us,
00:27:58except that they have the right
00:28:00to photograph you
00:28:02Do you think that
00:28:04it makes sense abroad?
00:28:06If we take the analogy
00:28:08with sex and the city,
00:28:10for which you say that
00:28:12the size of the city is not important,
00:28:14so it can function in New York,
00:28:16like in Zagreb and Gospić,
00:28:18then it is probably the same
00:28:20with celebrities.
00:28:22I wouldn't say so.
00:28:24I think that
00:28:26no one in Gospić,
00:28:28and I live in Zagreb,
00:28:30but I don't know.
00:28:32I don't hang out with Severino,
00:28:34so I don't know.
00:28:36He doesn't live such a secure life
00:28:38as Julia Roberts,
00:28:40who bought, I don't know,
00:28:42how many hectares of land.
00:28:44But that doesn't mean anything to me.
00:28:46Michael Jackson lived a secure life.
00:28:48No, he didn't.
00:28:50But he could,
00:28:52because of the amount of money
00:28:54he had.
00:28:56Yes, he could,
00:28:58but he is not a good example.
00:29:00A good example is Julia Roberts,
00:29:02who bought a ranch in Mexico,
00:29:04with I don't know how many hectares of land
00:29:06around it.
00:29:08Those three children were never photographed.
00:29:10Very rarely.
00:29:12A couple of photos that came out
00:29:14were taken by her husband,
00:29:16who is a photographer.
00:29:18She lives a very introverted life.
00:29:20She is not a good example,
00:29:22but she is actually the exception
00:29:24that confirms the rule.
00:29:26She earned 20 million dollars.
00:29:28I think she is the first actress
00:29:30or the second, I don't know,
00:29:32who received so much money for a movie.
00:29:34She can even afford it,
00:29:36even after a 50% discount.
00:29:38We don't have such fees.
00:29:40We don't have private helicopters,
00:29:42we don't have private ultrasound,
00:29:44Scientology,
00:29:46bodyguards who will save your life.
00:29:48Okay, but again,
00:29:50let's not say you are the last orphan,
00:29:52but there are fees that are
00:29:54much more expensive than your job.
00:29:56And you are the first one
00:29:58to write a script.
00:30:00Did you earn well?
00:30:02Yes, writing a script.
00:30:04I didn't write a script as a celebrity,
00:30:06I wrote it as a person who knows how to write a script.
00:30:08But you were already in that context,
00:30:10you wanted it or not,
00:30:12you became Sapunica.
00:30:14Yes, but I want to tell you
00:30:16that you can't earn that money by acting.
00:30:18I earned very nice money by writing a script.
00:30:20Do you understand the difference?
00:30:22In Croatia, what can you earn by writing a script?
00:30:26For one season, for example.
00:30:28If you write Sapunica by yourself,
00:30:30you can earn very nice money.
00:30:34What are nice money? Is it a secret?
00:30:36I wouldn't talk about it.
00:30:38It's not a secret,
00:30:40I think some media even wrote about it,
00:30:42but I wouldn't reveal everything.
00:30:44I would cry about it,
00:30:46I would steal the story,
00:30:48I would believe in God.
00:30:50But I repeat,
00:30:52actors don't earn that much.
00:30:54I don't know if it's fair,
00:30:56maybe it's not fair,
00:30:58but in Croatia,
00:31:00celebrities are not exceptions.
00:31:02Some of them are very successful
00:31:04and last for a long time.
00:31:06They are not subjugated in that way,
00:31:08they are not protected in that way.
00:31:12I return to the fact that everyone can
00:31:14determine their share of privacy,
00:31:16or at least try to participate in it.
00:31:18In your writing,
00:31:20how difficult or easy
00:31:22is it for you to be defined by a genre?
00:31:24There was even a piece of advice
00:31:26in the style of
00:31:28stick to your genre
00:31:30and don't go beyond it.
00:31:32That was one piece of advice.
00:31:34There were no more of those advices,
00:31:36at least not so direct.
00:31:40Of course it's difficult.
00:31:42Being in any format is difficult,
00:31:44but as my professor Tom Colon
00:31:46said in the first year of acting,
00:31:48you have to find real success
00:31:50and freedom in the context of the work.
00:31:52Of course,
00:31:54writing
00:31:56in the flow of thought
00:31:58is genius,
00:32:00but you have to know how to do it.
00:32:02It's a craft.
00:32:04Every format is difficult,
00:32:06but it's God's work.
00:32:08Let me clarify the question.
00:32:10You write about male-female relations,
00:32:12but how difficult is it
00:32:14to draw conclusions
00:32:16and generalize them
00:32:18on the basis of those relations?
00:32:20It's very difficult.
00:32:22Let's explain to the audience
00:32:24how difficult it is
00:32:26to draw conclusions
00:32:28about all women
00:32:30or men about all men.
00:32:32It's very difficult
00:32:34and that's why I follow
00:32:36very specific and intimate things,
00:32:38events and experiences,
00:32:40because theorizing
00:32:42would be empty.
00:32:44I'm blue, so it's difficult
00:32:46with those blue eyes.
00:32:50I don't just use my life,
00:32:52I use the lives of my close people
00:32:54who I have the opportunity
00:32:56to look at,
00:32:58their relations,
00:33:00who I have the opportunity
00:33:02to analyze.
00:33:04They are extremely protected
00:33:06and I always send them
00:33:08an authorization text
00:33:10in case they don't know.
00:33:12Let's jump to the next part
00:33:14of the show.
00:33:16You are a young person
00:33:18and you accept the environment
00:33:20in which you live.
00:33:22What do you think
00:33:24about our country?
00:33:26I hope it won't sound pretentious,
00:33:28but why?
00:33:30You probably have an opinion
00:33:32about it.
00:33:34Is this country a suitable place
00:33:36for life?
00:33:38Hmm.
00:33:40Well,
00:33:42I really wouldn't want to sound
00:33:44pretentious.
00:33:46Are there young people,
00:33:48and you are still talking about it,
00:33:50in the Croatian chance?
00:33:52Or is the chance a matter
00:33:54of personality?
00:33:56You take something or not,
00:33:58and it doesn't matter to you.
00:34:00Well, a little personality,
00:34:02a little luck.
00:34:04It's a difficult question.
00:34:06I have a certain feeling
00:34:08of claustrophobia when I'm here for a long time.
00:34:10I don't know if
00:34:12my feeling can be generalized.
00:34:14All young people feel that way.
00:34:16I'm afraid to say it,
00:34:18honestly.
00:34:20Maybe someone here is a genius.
00:34:22Maybe someone here is Eldorado.
00:34:24A Croatian dream.
00:34:26I don't see it,
00:34:28and I don't see it
00:34:30even in my surroundings.
00:34:32I have a large social circle
00:34:34where a lot of people communicate.
00:34:36However,
00:34:38I'm afraid to express such a statement.
00:34:40First of all, it's a slip of the tongue,
00:34:42and I wouldn't want to insult
00:34:44the duty of homosexuality.
00:34:46And secondly...
00:34:48Let me ask you a question.
00:34:50Is the chance of young people
00:34:52in Croatia limited
00:34:54to any desired sex?
00:34:56I can be very specific.
00:34:58Look at the government.
00:35:00I won't ask you to comment on the government,
00:35:02but it's a digression.
00:35:04Is the chance of young people
00:35:06limited to the membership of foreigners?
00:35:08Is it limited to mediocrity?
00:35:10I never felt
00:35:12that I was limited
00:35:14to my
00:35:16semi-political views.
00:35:18Let's call them that.
00:35:20I wrote a letter
00:35:22with a very strong
00:35:24leftist note.
00:35:26It was shown on national television.
00:35:28There were some attempts
00:35:30but they didn't pass.
00:35:32Young critics
00:35:34withdrew very quickly.
00:35:36So maybe
00:35:38it's time
00:35:40when it's no longer
00:35:42desirable
00:35:44to call people
00:35:46because of their personal views
00:35:48that are not mainstream
00:35:50politically.
00:35:52I didn't feel that.
00:35:54However, I don't do a job
00:35:56as an electrical engineer.
00:35:58I'm not sure
00:36:00how it works
00:36:02when you're looking for a job
00:36:04as an electrical engineer.
00:36:06But when you say
00:36:08that you wrote a series with a leftist note,
00:36:10why?
00:36:12Why is it better
00:36:14than with some other sign?
00:36:16It's not better.
00:36:18Why?
00:36:20The series was set
00:36:22at a time when
00:36:24I really think that
00:36:26anti-fascist movement
00:36:28was a very positive thing.
00:36:30I couldn't write anything else
00:36:32than that.
00:36:34I couldn't do that.
00:36:36I would do it for Harakiri.
00:36:38Simply because
00:36:40of my common sense.
00:36:42For me, it's not an important thing.
00:36:44It doesn't mean I'm a leftist.
00:36:46It doesn't mean I don't support the SDP.
00:36:48I'm not a southern nostalgic person.
00:36:50I just think
00:36:52that I'm a leftist
00:36:54and that my colleagues
00:36:56who wrote with me
00:36:58that we watched the series
00:37:00very objectively.
00:37:02We didn't go into a deeper analysis,
00:37:04but I really think
00:37:06that it's the only way
00:37:08to show it.
00:37:10What happened later
00:37:12is still open,
00:37:14because that's how the series ended.
00:37:16We didn't set it that way on purpose.
00:37:18Maybe if we went further,
00:37:20our work would have been
00:37:22the way it was.
00:37:24When we're talking about
00:37:26this young generation,
00:37:28can you comment on
00:37:30student education?
00:37:32You mentioned high school.
00:37:34What do you think about it?
00:37:36Was it there?
00:37:38Was it there?
00:37:40Did they ask for free education?
00:37:42Did they get it?
00:37:44Yes.
00:37:46To be honest,
00:37:48I don't know.
00:37:50I worked a lot during that period,
00:37:52but I read and followed the media.
00:37:54In a way,
00:37:56I'm very ambivalent about it.
00:37:58The first step
00:38:00was to support the students,
00:38:02because it seems logical to me.
00:38:04It's the only way.
00:38:06Later on,
00:38:08I didn't know what to do
00:38:10because I wasn't sure.
00:38:12They worked in a certain sense
00:38:14for the revolution.
00:38:16The young people are always
00:38:18struggling,
00:38:20and the adrenaline
00:38:22is very attractive.
00:38:24That's what I wanted to say.
00:38:26On the other hand,
00:38:28young people don't always struggle.
00:38:30Their arguments made sense.
00:38:32However, I wasn't a student anymore.
00:38:34If I had been personally affected,
00:38:36I would have analyzed it
00:38:38much deeper.
00:38:40In a way,
00:38:42I stayed on the surface level
00:38:44Did you feel comfortable
00:38:46a few days ago
00:38:48when we celebrated
00:38:50the State Day,
00:38:52when we were called
00:38:54from the highest circles
00:38:56that we weren't comfortable enough
00:38:58not to hang flags on the windows?
00:39:00When did they call us?
00:39:02I didn't hear that call.
00:39:04I heard it openly.
00:39:06Andrija Hebrang said
00:39:08that simply in Croatia
00:39:10today the expression
00:39:12on the day of the State Day
00:39:14is not used.
00:39:18You were in the US
00:39:20with great pride
00:39:22for the 4th of August,
00:39:24if I'm not mistaken,
00:39:26or some other holiday
00:39:28when they put up an American flag.
00:39:30That's not the case in Croatia.
00:39:32Maybe people don't know
00:39:34about these stylistic changes
00:39:36on the date of the State Day.
00:39:38I have to admit that
00:39:40I don't know if it's good
00:39:42since when,
00:39:44because something is changing.
00:39:46I think it's sad.
00:39:48I've seen a lot of Croatian flags.
00:39:50I don't know if it's because
00:39:52of the neighborhood where I live.
00:39:54It's possible that a lot of you
00:39:56and people who watch it
00:39:58experience it.
00:40:00That's for sure.
00:40:02If I had heard it,
00:40:04I wouldn't have felt comfortable
00:40:06because I really don't like
00:40:08some of the younger generations
00:40:10that I represent.
00:40:14So much of it
00:40:16was strongly connected
00:40:18to domestic love
00:40:20during our 15 years of growing up.
00:40:22So much of it was
00:40:24negatively connected to it.
00:40:26Maybe if they let us go a little
00:40:28and if they took off
00:40:30from the door that we Croats
00:40:32have to prove how much we love
00:40:34our birth chest,
00:40:36it would have been
00:40:38easier for us to show it.
00:40:40But it really
00:40:42doesn't work
00:40:44in any way.
00:40:46I don't know how they haven't learned it yet.
00:40:48The more they force me
00:40:50to sing a hymn,
00:40:52the more I don't want to sing it.
00:40:54It's about...
00:40:56You're right.
00:40:58When it's a holiday,
00:41:00it's in someone's head
00:41:02to hang a flag
00:41:04when it's a handball championship.
00:41:06You've seen it on cars.
00:41:08It's a car without a Croatian flag.
00:41:10What does it mean?
00:41:12Who decides it?
00:41:14It's crazy.
00:41:16I don't know how to comment on it.
00:41:18It's crazy for me.
00:41:20Who decides it?
00:41:22Why in 2009?
00:41:24How many flags were there?
00:41:26Are we really talking about it?
00:41:28I don't know.
00:41:30You were in America.
00:41:32In America, you're the biggest
00:41:34homophobe if you pay taxes.
00:41:36They insist on it a lot.
00:41:38And with flags,
00:41:40they can do whatever they want.
00:41:42Let's talk about politics.
00:41:44Politicians,
00:41:46do you think,
00:41:48I always mention the younger one,
00:41:50so it could sound like a generalization,
00:41:52but the person who
00:41:54hasn't turned 30 yet,
00:41:56do you think politics,
00:41:58when you look at it from the outside,
00:42:00it's a generalization?
00:42:02Or do we treat frustrations
00:42:04by spitting on all politicians?
00:42:06I think we have traumas.
00:42:08We Croats.
00:42:10We have traumas
00:42:12from politicians.
00:42:14Maybe it's something
00:42:16that was offended by us,
00:42:18but it wasn't offended by chance.
00:42:20All politicians are dirty, etc.
00:42:22Behind us are the 90s,
00:42:24which were what they were.
00:42:26I don't know if they're behind us.
00:42:28How did you experience the 90s?
00:42:30You were a child.
00:42:32I was a child, yes.
00:42:34Mila Kekin says,
00:42:36it was a terrible place for life,
00:42:38which went from waking up
00:42:40to the diary,
00:42:42not belittling the fact
00:42:44that the statehood was established,
00:42:46etc.
00:42:48I was thinking about it
00:42:50last night,
00:42:52because I watched
00:42:54a great show
00:42:56by a young talent.
00:42:58I think it was in 1971,
00:43:00if I'm not mistaken.
00:43:02She experienced it
00:43:04much stronger than me,
00:43:06because I was a kid.
00:43:08My parents played
00:43:10a fascinating role
00:43:12in protecting us.
00:43:14In a way,
00:43:16we really didn't feel
00:43:18what was happening outside.
00:43:20I say we,
00:43:22because I have a brother.
00:43:24He is so emotional,
00:43:26so precise, so simple,
00:43:28and he speaks
00:43:30partially about the war,
00:43:32in a very poetic way,
00:43:34a beautiful text.
00:43:36I was thinking
00:43:38about how my parents
00:43:40managed to protect me
00:43:42so much that I was
00:43:44completely unaware
00:43:46that such things were happening.
00:43:48Maybe I'm not a good contender
00:43:50because I really grew up
00:43:52during the war,
00:43:54even though my dad was in the war
00:43:56and all the bad things happened.
00:43:58It's not a trauma for me.
00:44:00The European Union,
00:44:02especially the younger generation,
00:44:04is expecting a lot,
00:44:06not just a temporary botox,
00:44:08but even an unreal elixir.
00:44:10What do you think?
00:44:12Is it a good thing
00:44:14that we are joining the EU?
00:44:16What will it provide?
00:44:18For example,
00:44:20I don't know what it will provide,
00:44:22not that I don't know what I'm thinking,
00:44:24but I don't know what it will provide.
00:44:26I'm trying to understand
00:44:28what it will provide,
00:44:30and the more they explain it to me,
00:44:32the less I understand what it will provide.
00:44:34So, you're a sceptic?
00:44:36Yes, absolutely.
00:44:38Either they don't do a good thing
00:44:40by explaining it to us,
00:44:42or it's not such a brilliant thing,
00:44:44as they say.
00:44:46I mentioned your thirties.
00:44:48Are you afraid of them?
00:44:50Many women,
00:44:52and we mentioned the sex toy,
00:44:54which would be a reference
00:44:56for a conversation about women,
00:44:58are afraid of their thirties.
00:45:00What will happen in their thirties?
00:45:02You?
00:45:04I'm not afraid of them for now,
00:45:06but you can ask me
00:45:08when I'm 32.
00:45:10I'm not afraid of them.
00:45:12I still feel very young.
00:45:14Is it an imperative
00:45:16to be young in your thirties?
00:45:18It's not for me.
00:45:20It shouldn't be.
00:45:22But, of course,
00:45:24a ring on a woman's hand
00:45:26is, unfortunately,
00:45:28a merit of value
00:45:30in our society.
00:45:32It's very sad for me,
00:45:34but believe me,
00:45:36I was at my senior year,
00:45:38and a ring was shown
00:45:40in front of my eyes.
00:45:42It's not necessary
00:45:44to hide some kind of hypocrisy.
00:45:46When we talk about marriage,
00:45:48one of your friends says
00:45:50that it all leads to the same shit.
00:45:52It starts with love,
00:45:54and ends with hatred.
00:45:56Do you believe that?
00:45:58I hope she's not right.
00:46:00It sounds very exclusive to me.
00:46:02Is it exclusive?
00:46:04I will refer to your mother.
00:46:06When she talks about
00:46:08the institution of marriage,
00:46:10she often says
00:46:12that a man without a choice
00:46:14is a happy man.
00:46:16Yes, she said that many times.
00:46:18Women used to stay in marriages
00:46:20because there was no choice.
00:46:22Isn't that true?
00:46:24A man without a choice is a happy man.
00:46:26What do you think?
00:46:28Your mother lied to you all the time.
00:46:30I don't think so.
00:46:32My mother really thinks so,
00:46:34and she told me many times.
00:46:36But, no.
00:46:38A man without a choice
00:46:40is a happy man.
00:46:42A man without a choice
00:46:44is a happy man.
00:46:46A man without a choice
00:46:48is a happy man.
00:46:50A man without a choice
00:46:52is a happy man.
00:46:54A man without a choice
00:46:56is a happy man.
00:46:58A man without a choice
00:47:00is a happy man.
00:47:02A man without a choice
00:47:04is a happy man.
00:47:06A man without a choice
00:47:08is a happy man.
00:47:10A man without a choice
00:47:12is a happy man.
00:47:14A man without a choice
00:47:16is a happy man.
00:47:18A man without a choice
00:47:20is a happy man.
00:47:22A man without a choice
00:47:24is a happy man.
00:47:26A man without a choice
00:47:28is a happy man.
00:47:30A man without a choice
00:47:32is a happy man.
00:47:34On the one hand,
00:47:36it is necessary to reconcile
00:47:38the disagreement between
00:47:40biological maturity and
00:47:42the need for professional affirmation,
00:47:44which at the time
00:47:46when it should be so simple
00:47:48does not allow you to do so.
00:47:50It sounds very cruel,
00:47:52biological maturity,
00:47:54not to be born in your twenties.
00:47:56But it is a fact.
00:47:58Biologically, we speak,
00:48:00and now psychologically it is a different thing.
00:48:02It can be difficult.
00:48:04It sounds very cruel.
00:48:06I paused for a moment.
00:48:08I am 28 and I do not plan to give birth.
00:48:10I think that
00:48:12a healthy, beautiful child
00:48:14can be born in his thirties.
00:48:16Absolutely.
00:48:18Many women today are
00:48:20faced with this dilemma.
00:48:22What to do after college?
00:48:24If you are in a happy relationship,
00:48:26should you give birth immediately?
00:48:28I think it is a matter of personal choice.
00:48:30I think it is legitimate.
00:48:32I think it is beautiful.
00:48:34They are not inferior
00:48:36because they do not have the need
00:48:38to go to a doctorate
00:48:40to write a column or
00:48:42to be a female resident.
00:48:44I would not say that
00:48:46it is better to have a career.
00:48:48I choose a career.
00:48:50But it does not mean
00:48:52that motherhood is not
00:48:54an equally valuable choice.
00:48:56When you talk about affirmation,
00:48:58you talked about the fact
00:49:00that a woman can be confirmed
00:49:02through something else
00:49:04and not only through a job.
00:49:06Absolutely.
00:49:08That is exactly what I was talking about.
00:49:10We continued on that thought.
00:49:12I am always inspired by my grandmother
00:49:14who is a woman in the shadow.
00:49:16I think that's what the column
00:49:18is called.
00:49:20She is really a happy woman.
00:49:22She chose to be
00:49:24a gray eminence in the house.
00:49:26She was very powerful,
00:49:28highly valued,
00:49:30respected and loved.
00:49:32It was more than enough for her.
00:49:34Women and men
00:49:36can be affirmed
00:49:38in many different ways.
00:49:40It is just a matter of personal choice.
00:49:42That's it.
00:49:44I had a guest
00:49:46two or three months ago
00:49:48a psychologist Mirjana Krizmanic
00:49:50who concluded
00:49:52that love solidifies the relationship.
00:49:54Are you an idealist in that regard?
00:49:56In the sense of loyalty?
00:49:58Or in the sense of love?
00:50:00Comment on this statement.
00:50:02Oh God, no.
00:50:04She says
00:50:06that neither privately
00:50:08nor professionally
00:50:10does a couple know
00:50:12if not both partners
00:50:14have had an affair.
00:50:16A woman is as old as she is.
00:50:18She has more experience than you.
00:50:20She has professional experience.
00:50:22I am very strict
00:50:24when it comes to love.
00:50:26Both professionally and privately.
00:50:28I am very loyal
00:50:30both professionally and privately.
00:50:32I equate loyalty
00:50:34with loyalty.
00:50:36Maybe
00:50:38it is the ideal
00:50:40that will break.
00:50:42I am only 28 years old.
00:50:44But simply
00:50:46if you are in a serious relationship
00:50:48I wrote about it
00:50:50in my monogamy.
00:50:52Of course,
00:50:54every couple will find
00:50:56some obstacle or crisis.
00:50:58But I would not sign
00:51:00that love will solidify the marriage
00:51:02or the relationship.
00:51:04At least not yet.
00:51:06It can happen one day
00:51:08that you will change your mind.
00:51:10Never say never.
00:51:12You wrote about the fear of loneliness.
00:51:14Is it big?
00:51:16Yes, it is.
00:51:18Why?
00:51:20I do not know.
00:51:22It is human nature
00:51:24to be a social being.
00:51:26At least in my case.
00:51:28Maybe because
00:51:30I work a lot alone.
00:51:32I spend a lot of time alone
00:51:34behind the computer.
00:51:36I have been like that for years.
00:51:38I have a need
00:51:40in my free time
00:51:42for some interaction.
00:51:44For example,
00:51:46I live with an actor
00:51:48and after all those
00:51:50strong interactions
00:51:52which are often emotional
00:51:54because it is his job
00:51:56he has a need
00:51:58to be alone.
00:52:00It is understandable.
00:52:02But my life does not look like that.
00:52:04My day looks like
00:52:06I am talking to my computer screen.
00:52:08Maybe that is why I am so afraid of loneliness.
00:52:10This job is lonely.
00:52:12I asked you before
00:52:14about the need
00:52:16for interaction
00:52:18over the computer.
00:52:20Is it your kind of addiction?
00:52:22Do you detect it?
00:52:24In my case, yes.
00:52:26I am hooked on the Internet,
00:52:28Facebook.
00:52:30What is good about Facebook?
00:52:32I can talk only about myself.
00:52:34I am with the computer all day long.
00:52:36I write some texts,
00:52:38scenarios,
00:52:40various things.
00:52:42I have a need for a break.
00:52:44I do not want to comment on someone's shirt,
00:52:46someone's hairstyle,
00:52:48someone's lover, someone's husband.
00:52:50I have a need for Facebook.
00:52:52I visualize it as a walkway
00:52:54where I go
00:52:56to take a break.
00:52:58Then I go on a chat
00:53:00with friends who are online
00:53:02or I comment on someone's picture,
00:53:04someone's child.
00:53:06It is a kind of social interaction
00:53:08for me.
00:53:10It suits me
00:53:12because I do not have to
00:53:14get ready and go to the city
00:53:16to have a cup of coffee
00:53:18and talk to people
00:53:20and waste a lot of time.
00:53:22In this way, addiction is created.
00:53:24You can communicate with many people,
00:53:26not just one person,
00:53:28but with 30 people at the same time.
00:53:30It is a bit like writing a diary.
00:53:32Does it make sense to communicate
00:53:34with 30 people at the same time?
00:53:36Why not?
00:53:38You have those comments later,
00:53:40you get e-mails later.
00:53:42This job brings you an affirmation.
00:53:44If you just want to talk to me
00:53:46over coffee,
00:53:48you would not be in front of the cameras.
00:53:50Does it make sense?
00:53:52Of course it does.
00:53:54You get some feedback.
00:53:56Yes, but if you pay too much attention
00:53:58to the forums and comments,
00:54:00then you will probably get
00:54:02what is happening to me,
00:54:04that you have Jelena Veljača syndrome
00:54:06That is why Facebook
00:54:08gives you the opportunity
00:54:10to communicate only with people
00:54:12you like as a friend.
00:54:14My Facebook friend is not
00:54:16someone from the forum,
00:54:18Veronica666 or some anonymous,
00:54:20but my friend from primary school
00:54:22who lives in Dubrovnik
00:54:24and I do not have the opportunity
00:54:26to travel to Dubrovnik
00:54:28every weekend to see her.
00:54:30I always want to know how she is,
00:54:32I want to see the picture of her
00:54:34and I want to know if you can
00:54:36communicate with 30 people.
00:54:38On the surface,
00:54:40compared to my best friend
00:54:42from primary school,
00:54:44yes, on the surface she is
00:54:46as much as we want her to be.
00:54:48If we want to get her,
00:54:50she would probably find
00:54:52money for that plane ticket.
00:54:54That is an imaginary friend,
00:54:56she does not exist,
00:54:58but now I speak as an example.
00:55:00I do not know which person
00:55:02we are closing the circle
00:55:04with your sentence
00:55:06that you can not even have 30 friends.
00:55:08Fashion.
00:55:10That is an interesting topic
00:55:12related to your name.
00:55:14There were a lot of comments
00:55:16from people who met me
00:55:18before the show.
00:55:20Ask Jelena Veljač,
00:55:22did she know what fashion was
00:55:24before she met the producer
00:55:26with whom she was in touch
00:55:28and who allowed her to buy
00:55:30such sharp languages
00:55:32and maybe she was jealous.
00:55:34I have no idea.
00:55:36The person who taught me the most fashion
00:55:38was my grandmother,
00:55:40the same grandmother who bought
00:55:42the popular Burda,
00:55:44I think there were no other fashion magazines
00:55:46in her time.
00:55:48She made strong curves
00:55:50like Jackie Onassis
00:55:52or I do not know who.
00:55:54Coco Chanel.
00:55:56She constantly, almost religiously,
00:55:58went through new materials.
00:56:00She taught me everything about materials.
00:56:02I think it is a deeper knowledge of fashion.
00:56:04In the sense of materials, curves,
00:56:06fashion from that period.
00:56:08A lot of the things I wear
00:56:10were sewn by her.
00:56:12They were not bought,
00:56:14they were not marked,
00:56:16they were not branded.
00:56:18So your
00:56:20connoisseur of sharp language
00:56:22said a nice comment,
00:56:24but very superficial.
00:56:26Your close people
00:56:28also tell you
00:56:30that when you talk about fashion,
00:56:32it is just a hat.
00:56:34Do you need to explain
00:56:36something more about it?
00:56:38It is like when I say to someone,
00:56:40as I said to your journalist,
00:56:42that it is just a footwear.
00:56:44It is not for him,
00:56:46it is really a form of respect,
00:56:48something that is extremely important to him.
00:56:50He buys plane tickets, travels the world,
00:56:52follows the Croatian football team,
00:56:54he understands it emotionally,
00:56:56he told me about it
00:56:58at the coffee after filming
00:57:00how he experienced the defeat
00:57:02of Turkey as his own defeat.
00:57:04I think it is legitimate.
00:57:06It is just a footwear to me.
00:57:08This is just a hat.
00:57:10I don't think that someone's
00:57:12connoisseurs should be
00:57:14treated so seriously.
00:57:16Why do I spend my money?
00:57:18Do I want to buy a plane ticket
00:57:20for the European football championship
00:57:22I think it is just my thing.
00:57:24How much time and effort does it take?
00:57:26Very little.
00:57:28I wouldn't say that,
00:57:30considering how often you write about it.
00:57:32No, I don't write so often.
00:57:34These are more comparisons.
00:57:36I think it is a part of my life
00:57:38that is really...
00:57:40unpredictable.
00:57:42Has anything changed in your understanding
00:57:44of fashion and your view
00:57:46on that sphere of life
00:57:48since you met Marija Cvetanovic?
00:57:50No.
00:57:52Although Marija has her own style.
00:57:54Those who understand that,
00:57:56I have to admit,
00:57:58say that the breakthrough happened at that moment.
00:58:00Who said that?
00:58:02I won't tell you.
00:58:04Interesting.
00:58:06No, I don't think so.
00:58:08Marija has her own style,
00:58:10her own personality,
00:58:12which is highly appreciated
00:58:14and which really has its own signature.
00:58:16However,
00:58:18I don't express myself that way.
00:58:20We are not in a communication
00:58:22so that she would advise me.
00:58:24I don't think so.
00:58:26You mentioned acting earlier.
00:58:28Did you stop acting
00:58:30at some point?
00:58:36Acting is...
00:58:38I have a special relationship
00:58:40with acting.
00:58:42Apart from studying it,
00:58:44I really consider it an extremely valuable
00:58:46and extremely difficult occupation.
00:58:48I think that...
00:58:50All this time, I had offers
00:58:52for acting
00:58:54which often resulted in
00:58:56me acting alone for 500 euros
00:58:58in a sitcom or a series.
00:59:00I'm not interested in that.
00:59:02I did all the filming
00:59:04of those fast series.
00:59:06I acted in two big roles
00:59:08in two such series
00:59:10and that's not something
00:59:12I see myself in.
00:59:14I just finished filming
00:59:16a short film with the director
00:59:18Saar Hribber.
00:59:20It was a great experience.
00:59:22I wanted to tell you that
00:59:24when you are an actor,
00:59:26you have to constantly work on yourself.
00:59:28It's a constant process
00:59:30and it's never finished.
00:59:32It's a very serious and difficult job.
00:59:34I think that today,
00:59:36many people are signed
00:59:38as the XY-actress
00:59:40because they appeared in a series.
00:59:42I don't think they are actors.
00:59:44I think that an actor is something else.
00:59:46I don't have time for a serious approach
00:59:48to acting with my current job.
00:59:50I wouldn't want to trivialize it.
00:59:52At least not me.
00:59:54I graduated from the faculty
00:59:56as a celebrity
00:59:58who acts on his own
01:00:00or as a character
01:00:02written by a celebrity.
01:00:04Of course, it's legitimate
01:00:06for people to live like that.
01:00:08If a celebrity offers you
01:00:10half a day of filming,
01:00:12why not?
01:00:14For me, it's not something
01:00:16I would want to live from.
01:00:18Do you have any projects in the future?
01:00:20I'm writing.
01:00:22I'm writing.
01:00:24Do you have a script for a movie?
01:00:26Do you have something like that in mind?
01:00:28Yes.
01:00:30By order?
01:00:32Can you say something more?
01:00:34It's about a movie.
01:00:36It's about a certain order
01:00:38but I wouldn't prepare a baby
01:00:40while the baby is in the woods.
01:00:42That's how it's said.
01:00:44Thank you for the interview.
01:00:46I have to finish it like this.
01:00:48I hope that the script
01:00:50will be half as good
01:00:52as the ones you are writing.
01:00:54Thank you very much.
01:00:56I think everyone will be satisfied.
01:01:00Dear viewers, that's all for today.
01:01:02See you in a day.
01:01:04Goodbye.
01:01:08Goodbye.
01:01:10Goodbye.
01:01:38Goodbye.