The Jeremy Kyle Show (14 Feb 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:22Thank you, Jeremy.
00:23You've been kicked out of the marital home because your missus has had an affair and now doesn't even know if the kid that you've been bringing up for two years is yours or not.
00:30Why are you here today?
00:31You don't want to be back with that, do you?
00:32No.
00:33Liar! You're a control freak!
00:38Clever with your lies, are you?
00:40Clever with your lies, are you?
00:44You're sitting there all cocky, cocky, cocky!
00:46Instead of slapping your sister off, screw her some...
00:49Stick up for her!
00:50Shut up, you crow freak!
00:52I'm bored, Eddie!
00:56The DNA test results show that Simon...
01:03Why are you here today?
01:04Because I want her to have contact with her daughter. Her daughter deserves to see her mum.
01:08You now have residential care for this child, yes or no?
01:11Yep.
01:12How did that happen?
01:13You're full of...
01:16You are a barefaced liar!
01:19How long has it been since you've had fun with your daughter?
01:22How long has it been since you've had fun with your daughter?
01:44Hello, friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:47Our first guest today, Simon, is here to confront his estranged wife, Joanne.
01:51We forgave her for having an affair two years ago, but listen to this.
01:54Just 14 days ago, she threw him out of the marital home
01:58and told him he isn't the father to their two-year-old son.
02:01Now, this guy claims that she is making him out to be the bad guy
02:04and today wants definitive proof and he says,
02:06you're just an adulterous woman.
02:08I want to know the truth and then we're done.
02:10Simon is on The Jeremy Carr Show That Way.
02:21How are you?
02:22All right, all right.
02:23Welcome to the show, Si.
02:2443!
02:25Yeah, yeah, 43.
02:26Looking good for 43, son.
02:27So you...
02:28What are you looking at?
02:29No, just being nosy.
02:30What?
02:31Being nosy.
02:32Right.
02:33You and Joanne, she's 35, you're 43.
02:35We're talking today about you being potential father to her two-year-old son.
02:38Married seven years, together 13.
02:40This isn't just a usual Jeremy Carr relationship, it's lasted about a month.
02:44Let's talk about the relationship.
02:47How did you meet?
02:48Nah, I was a bus driver when I met her.
02:50So you met her on the bus?
02:51Yeah, yeah, met her on the bus.
02:53Obviously, got with her.
02:54Yeah.
02:55Settled down.
02:56Happy?
02:57Yeah.
02:58Got married?
02:59After five years.
03:02After five years, we got married.
03:04I had to earn the right to get married,
03:06cos at the beginning, I was cheating.
03:08Were you?
03:09Yeah, I was naughty at the beginning.
03:11I had five women on the bus.
03:13Sorry, how do I...
03:14Well, I didn't hear that.
03:15You had how many women on the go?
03:16Five women on the bus.
03:17Was it a single deck or a double deck?
03:19One of them was.
03:20Was it a bendy bus?
03:21One of them was my wife as well.
03:23So you were married, you had four birds on the side and her?
03:26Nah.
03:27Is that why you forgave her her affair,
03:29cos you realised that was exactly like you, Bean?
03:31At that stage, yeah, tick for tock.
03:33Was the child, was she pregnant with the kid
03:35before you discovered that she had an affair?
03:38Nah.
03:39I found out, obviously, as soon as she got pregnant...
03:42Yeah.
03:43..we went for the first scan.
03:45That's when she started to bottle it a little bit
03:48and say that she thought the other bloke might be the dad.
03:52But you decided to stay with her?
03:54After we had the 12-week scan,
03:57because the dates made Caden obviously be my son then.
04:01And, interestingly, your name's on the birth certificate,
04:03you forgave her the affair,
04:04you were there throughout the pregnancy,
04:06you were there and whatever.
04:07Then you discover about this affair.
04:09Then, 14 days ago, chucks you out the door.
04:11How did that come to happen?
04:12Cos, obviously, the other chap...
04:14Stop saying obviously.
04:15The other chap then comes out the woodwork,
04:17he's back on the scene and it's like...
04:19So she's back with the other bloke now, is she?
04:21Yeah, yeah.
04:22How do you feel about that?
04:23Obviously hurt and distraught.
04:24Try not to say obviously.
04:26I've been kicked out.
04:27You've been kicked out of the marital home
04:29because your missus has had an affair
04:31and now doesn't even know if the kid that you've been bringing up
04:33for two years is yours or not.
04:34Why are you here today?
04:35You don't want to be back with that, do you?
04:37No.
04:38No? What do you want then?
04:39The DNA test.
04:40Have you seen the child?
04:41Not for the 14 days.
04:43Why?
04:44Cos I've had to move to Blackpool.
04:46She told...
04:47I live with her mum and her brother.
04:50Mum's!
04:51AUDIENCE GROANS
04:53That's the ex, that's the...
04:54He's living with the brother who's on your side, right?
04:57Yeah.
04:58Who's that? Is that her?
05:00Yeah.
05:01I'm being made out to be the bad guy,
05:02I never forced her to have an affair, I love my family.
05:04You don't want her back but you want the truth, yeah?
05:06You angry with her?
05:07Yeah, of course I am.
05:08This morning you do want me back.
05:11That's her brother.
05:13She's going back.
05:14That's her brother.
05:15Do you want her back?
05:16No.
05:17You don't?
05:18Liar, you're a control freak.
05:20Yeah, so control...
05:21Well, he didn't control you that much.
05:23She was out all the time.
05:24You liar!
05:25You even went to see a stripper.
05:26Let's get her out.
05:27Joe-Anne's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
05:33What have you done, Scott?
05:35Clever with your lies, are you?
05:37You tell her you didn't go see a stripper.
05:38Clever with your lies, are you?
05:39You tell her you didn't go see a stripper.
05:40What's wrong with going to see a stripper with all the girls?
05:42Do you ladies not have a night out with your friends?
05:44With all the girls. Get to the point.
05:46I can't move, I can't breathe, I can't go nowhere.
05:49He's nicked my Facebook off me.
05:51He's spotted me.
05:53I went to the shop and I bump into somebody, yeah?
05:56I have to stand there thinking to myself,
05:58oh, my God, I need to get home quick.
06:00How do you tell my team the reason that you've given up on this guy
06:03is a complete control freak who even times you when you go to the shop?
06:07Yeah, he does, yeah.
06:08Do you?
06:09He does.
06:10He does. If I am paranoid...
06:12No, no, if that's the case, I'll keep saying,
06:14did you stay around Lodgings for six hours?
06:16I'm scared.
06:17Did you stay around Lodgings for six hours?
06:19You're a complete freak.
06:21You don't even know me.
06:22You time me every time she goes to the shop.
06:24You don't even know me.
06:25Who's that?
06:26No, she don't.
06:27Yes, she does.
06:28No, she don't.
06:29LAUGHTER
06:30She doesn't.
06:31You tell me, don't.
06:32You tell me, don't.
06:33You tell me, don't.
06:34Shut up.
06:35Shut up.
06:36Hold on a minute, hold on a minute.
06:39You're with him?
06:40Oh, yeah, with him.
06:42I know you're not. I said you were, you donut.
06:45You were with him.
06:47Trying to get an angle on the story, trying to...
06:49I'm not a donut.
06:50Did you eat something?
06:52You're a freak, you are.
06:58You can only come out when I ask you to.
07:00Sit down and be quiet.
07:02APPLAUSE
07:05You've got to listen to me.
07:10Sorry, hello?
07:12Hello?
07:13LAUGHTER
07:15How long were you with him for? Shut up.
07:17Tell me how you get to work.
07:19How long were you with him for?
07:2013 years.
07:21Right, just talk about the relationship.
07:24Don't interrupt.
07:25Well, in the beginning, it was all right,
07:28but after a few...couple of years,
07:31he got really possessive, stalking my Facebook pages.
07:35I can't put my phone on charge on a night
07:37cos he's reading all my messages off my friends.
07:39It's quite interesting that he admitted when he came out here
07:42that he'd messed around for the first few years of the relationship.
07:45Do you think that his behaviour was because of that?
07:47Do you think that he was feeling the guilt that people do
07:49when they mess about and took that out on you?
07:51Maybe, but that's...
07:52Why did you stay with him, then? Why did you marry him?
07:54Cos you only married him, what, seven years ago?
07:56Yeah.
07:57Why did you marry him, then, if it was such a disaster?
07:59It was all right, it was OK, it wasn't...
08:01When did it start to go to...
08:03After we were married, it's like he thought he owned me.
08:06Right. So you went and had an affair?
08:08He pushed me to it.
08:10Nobody pushes you to...
08:11Yes, he did, because I...
08:13There's a man over there, could you go and jump on top of him, please?
08:17He's a psycho!
08:18Then why don't you leave? Why do people like you?
08:21He goes mad, he shouts at me, he calls me a...
08:25..and everything, and I haven't even done nothing!
08:27Then why would you just walk away,
08:30rather than jumping into bed with somebody else?
08:33I wish I had!
08:39I only went mad at you, weren't you going to do it?
08:42You never, no, you never, no, you never,
08:45New Year, New Year, he took my phone off me and locked me in the house.
08:48If it was that bad, you said,
08:50can I speak, it's called The Jeremy Kyle Show, is that all right?
08:54If he was so controlling, hacking your Facebook, spying on you,
08:57locking you in the house and all that,
08:59what I'm saying to you is you chose to stay and put up with it.
09:02I didn't have the strength. Right, OK.
09:04I was on my own, my family don't live by me.
09:07Don't try the tears, love.
09:08They didn't live by me!
09:09You didn't cry when you were going out and having an affair, were you?
09:12How did you have an affair? Oh, my God.
09:14How did you meet the bloke?
09:15Because I met some friends, from being that scared to me,
09:18little person that I was, they made me stronger into the person I am.
09:23I went from being with a guy who was...
09:25Oi! Simon, be quiet.
09:27I was with a guy who was like a strict teacher.
09:29I found a life and you admit that you had an affair.
09:32When you discovered that you were pregnant,
09:34serious question, nobody interrupt me.
09:36First feeling, his, the other bloke's what?
09:38The other bloke's.
09:39Then why have you put his name on the birth certificate?
09:42He wanted to, he wanted to stay.
09:44So you're here today... I wanted him gone three years ago.
09:47He's only stayed with me to punish me so I wouldn't be with the other lad.
09:50If you wanted me to go... I haven't finished.
09:52You want to be with the other lad?
09:54If you wanted me to go, how come you didn't come on the show
09:57to do the lie detector when I told you three years ago to come on here?
10:00Who's the father of your baby? I don't know.
10:04But you sold my team.
10:05I'm here to hopefully prove Simon's not and get him out of my life forever.
10:08What if he is, though, darling? That's a mess, isn't it?
10:10I've still got five other kids.
10:12I've got other kids of him, but... So did he go, then?
10:15He'd be better for muscle. You don't want to be fat with him? No.
10:18What if he turns out to be the dad?
10:20Then he'll just have to see the kid...
10:22Will the baby be the other's, won't he?
10:24The thing I don't understand is we've got...
10:26He's living with your brother! I know.
10:28Who hates you. He don't hate me normally.
10:30And who's that, by the way, that won't stop talking?
10:33Is that Diane? Yeah, my friend.
10:35She's a friend of yours? Yeah. But she don't know me.
10:37Yeah, she's seen how I have been over the years. She don't know me.
10:40He says she's only on your side cos she's a lesbian and she fancies you.
10:44Don't go anywhere. Right, bye. Thanks a lot.
10:49Are you messing with my brother? Yeah.
10:51I'm sticking up for that.
10:54I'm such an idiot cos I now know she was trying to trap you.
10:57Yeah. No, cos I was... You're a funny boiler!
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11:37Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. It's all the break.
11:39Joan and Simon are out here still arguing.
11:41You say, I hated my marriage. He was a control freak.
11:44I couldn't go to the shops without being timed.
11:46He nicked my Facebook. I wasn't allowed to wear make-up.
11:48It was a disaster. I got pregnant. Yes, I had an affair.
11:51It was a life I had won.
11:53I am speaking!
11:55Stop chatting.
11:57I buy you all the perfume and all your make-up, so stop chatting.
12:00Why is your brother... You're living with her brother, yeah?
12:03Yes. He says he wants to discover the truth about the baby.
12:06This is because of your adultery.
12:08Her brother is called Chris and he's on the Jeremy Carr show, that way.
12:16CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
12:21Over the years, yeah, treat me like crap and talk to me like that.
12:24And you treat... Even Mum, when I went to Mum's, yeah, on holiday,
12:28yeah, in the summer, Mum sat me on the bed and, you know,
12:30she did, she held my hand and she said to me,
12:32you're not happy are you?
12:34LAUGHTER
12:36Your sister!
12:38You're sitting there all cocky, cocky, cocky.
12:40Instead of slagging your sister off,
12:42screw her some... Stick up for her.
12:44Shut up, you crow freak! You're bald-headed...
12:47CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
12:55I think you need to be careful, she'd have you.
12:58Hold on, hold on, there's a lot of droning.
13:00Hello, excuse me. Er, be quiet.
13:02What do you want to say on this? Why would he have him if he was such a nightmare?
13:05Why would your own brother, your own flesh and blood,
13:07have this bloke who's apparently such a nightmare living with him?
13:10Because they feel sorry for people, cos that's what they're like.
13:13Let's hear your side of it, please, Chris.
13:15My sister is being an idiot.
13:17It's a joke what she's done to this guy.
13:19He needs the truth. Tell me more.
13:21At the end of the day, he's brought that kid up as his own.
13:24I don't intend to. I don't want him to.
13:26And you think this other friend that...
13:28He ain't got nothing to do with it.
13:30You say she's a bad influence, she's a lesbian
13:32and started robbing from Poundland.
13:34LAUGHTER
13:36She started her thiefing as well.
13:38What? She started robbing as well.
13:40I have never stolen nothing in my life,
13:42so why are you trying to say I've sold something?
13:44How many years have you lived in Blackpool? About five?
13:46Yeah. So you don't know nothing what I get...
13:48He told her she go to the shops and put stuff in the pram.
13:51You liar! That's what I've heard.
13:53That's what I've heard.
13:55From him! From him!
13:57No. Everything you've heard is from that little whore.
14:00How did he hear it from that little whore?
14:02How did he hear it from that little whore?
14:04I didn't go to Blackpool with you.
14:06Yeah, cos you couldn't even... Do you know what?
14:08Right, if any of you men got kids,
14:10did you get up Christmas morning
14:12and open the presents with your babies, yeah?
14:14Was you there when your missus was cooking the Christmas dinner?
14:17Do you know what that freak was doing? Lying in bed.
14:19And after what? All day. After what?
14:21All day, cos you're on your computer.
14:23It's never worked. Hardly ever works.
14:25It's got that much of an attitude problem, right, yeah?
14:28He tells his boss to stick the job up his...
14:30..has to do something because he can't be bothered.
14:33The girl, Diane, does she fancy you?
14:36No, she does not. Well, I'm only...
14:38Fancy the woman for years.
14:42Diane came out with perhaps the greatest line ever
14:44in the history of the world.
14:46She said that it's men like Simon who turned her gay.
14:49Diane's on the Jeremy Carlton.
15:01What are you here? What are you here?
15:03Yeah?
15:07No, but, brother...
15:13Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:18Oi, oi, I want to hear the lovely Diane, she's here.
15:21You'm a control freak, lover.
15:23I'm a control freak, like.
15:25What's the story here, babe?
15:27He's a control freak. He has damaged her.
15:29The way he talks to her, the way he treats her.
15:32But she had an affair, Di, you've got to accept that.
15:35I'm speaking to Diane.
15:37Because of him, the way he treats her.
15:39If you treated her better, she probably wouldn't have done it.
15:41How would you know how I treated her?
15:43Did I not buy her an iPhone for her eyes?
15:45Did I not buy you your perfume?
15:47Did I not buy you everything you asked for for Christmas?
15:49Did I not? Did I not?
15:51I know nothing.
15:53You don't know nothing, man.
15:55Shut up.
15:57You don't know nothing, do you, Vivi?
15:59Shut up.
16:01Shut up.
16:03Oh, you're a big boy now. What are you going to do, get your friend on me?
16:05Oh.
16:07LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
16:09Sorry.
16:11APPLAUSE
16:13You're meant to be a good man,
16:15you're meant to be sticking up for her, I'm not controlling you.
16:17You know what he's like.
16:19You know what he's like.
16:21He's a good, he's a good lad.
16:23Oi, oi, I can't hear Vivi.
16:26How's he that good?
16:28He's never... I've been there...
16:30And you called your sister...
16:32When?
16:34Yesterday.
16:36Well, she is...
16:38Hi, Ains.
16:40How are you?
16:42Was Simon a stopgap until this other guy came back in your life?
16:44Tell the truth.
16:46You know what? Just a stopgap.
16:48OK, then why...
16:50I wanted you to go for years...
16:52What are you going to do?
16:55I feel sorry for Kate.
16:57Have a look at Kate and this is what we're arguing about.
16:59Nobody else, we're talking about this child.
17:01Now, that is...
17:03Take him away from me when you know I'm listening.
17:05By the way, can I just say, that's a seriously cute-looking child.
17:08Beautiful, ain't he?
17:10Looks like you.
17:12Yeah, it's toys, that's our little joke on Facebook.
17:14That's why we're together, cos we're lesbians, apparently.
17:16Yeah, we're lesbians.
17:18You pretend to be a lesbian, don't you?
17:20What, cos I've got big... in you up?
17:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
17:30You told my team, Joe,
17:33that hopefully today you prove he's not the baby's father.
17:37I want him not to be the dad, but my luck, he will be,
17:40cos I'll just get nothing but...
17:42And if he is, he's going to make you like hell again.
17:44But you know what? You know what?
17:46You might not be the baby, if you are the dad,
17:48you won't be the dad to my next kid.
17:50Yeah, whatever.
17:52You'll reach a life knowing full well...
17:54Did you hear the odd be quiet, Simon?
17:56How does that help you?
17:58That makes you out to be appalling, love.
18:00OK. I am the bestest mum on this planet, mate.
18:02Why don't you stop having children
18:04and concentrate on getting your life in order, the ones you've got?
18:07You'd better tell these.
18:09Come on! Come on!
18:11Come on!
18:13Tell you what, you've not seen none of my kids now.
18:16I swear on my life.
18:18You've done everything for my kids for 13 years.
18:21You've done nothing. You have done nothing.
18:24Yeah, but you kept him in the house, though, didn't you?
18:27You kept him in your house.
18:29The DNA test has all shown that Simon...
18:31What does this mean to you?
18:33Everything. And she knows you. You are the child's biological father.
18:36APPLAUSE
18:39I can tell. I can tell.
18:41Read it. Read it. Read it.
18:47Come on, then, big boy. Come on.
18:49Come on, then, big boy. You want to start on a woman?
18:51Should I start on her? Yeah, you want to start on a big woman.
18:54Should I start on her? What? Come on, then.
18:56You can't do that, can you? I can.
18:58No, don't, don't. Sit there.
19:00Should I start on her? What?
19:02He's the father of your baby, love.
19:04I don't care what that says.
19:06I don't care what that says. I'm not touching my son.
19:08What, you're never going to let him see the kid?
19:10Nah. He's a scumbag, I'll tell you the truth.
19:12He has it in me in the past.
19:14He has it in me in the past.
19:18You have it, yeah.
19:20Yes, you did.
19:22Can I say something? You won't like this.
19:24You don't come across... Hello!
19:26You don't come across as a timid, shy woman
19:28who was beaten up all the time, that's what I'm thinking.
19:30And maybe three years ago...
19:32Because you...
19:34You...
19:36I'm going home.
19:38Stay with my mum and stay with my brother.
19:40Stay with my mum and stay with my brother
19:42because you're nothing but a scumbag
19:44and everyone in Walsall
19:46knows what your life is.
19:48Why was mum telling me
19:50to leave him there?
19:52Why was mum telling me...
19:54My mum...
19:56Get out of here!
19:58Shut up.
20:00Can I just say something?
20:02Can I just say something?
20:04You let yourself down there, don't you?
20:06I ain't bothered anymore, do you know what?
20:08I don't care.
20:10Do you know what?
20:12The kids, they're having them.
20:16Come with me.
20:22You might hate him
20:24but that's not how you should think it.
20:26Is it me?
20:28Why didn't you have a kid with him two years ago?
20:30Leave me alone.
20:32I'm not going to leave you alone, darling.
20:34Because at the end of the day, you're absolutely right.
20:36You two shouldn't be together
20:38but that's his child as much as yours.
20:40He didn't care about his other kids
20:42so he don't care about these.
20:44If it wasn't for me,
20:46he wouldn't have seen none of his other kids
20:48over the years.
20:54You've played the game really good,
20:56to make me angry,
20:58on the bad person,
21:00on your mental.
21:02You're not coming near my kids
21:04because I'm not having my kids turn out like you, OK?
21:06You're not seeing my son.
21:08Let me see Kaden.
21:10Let me see Kaden.
21:12No, you can go now and get out.
21:14Stop it, shush.
21:16So you're not going to let him see Kaden?
21:18Just be quiet a minute.
21:20He's not stable around kids, mate.
21:22He's played the game good.
21:24He has to make me look like a fool when it's him.
21:26Absolutely agree they shouldn't be together.
21:28Absolutely agree with a lot of what you've said
21:30and some of what he's said.
21:32That's not right, though.
21:34It's his kid as well.
21:36You can sit there, stand there...
21:38Shut up!
21:40You won't manage this better than me.
21:42Be quiet.
21:44I'm doing my best.
21:46You're all right and you know I'm right.
21:48It doesn't matter about the parents.
21:50He says they're mine.
21:52It's not possessions.
21:54Let's say she's right.
21:56The kid will have to judge it for itself.
21:58What if her hatred of him, desire to get on
22:00with this other bloke, comments like
22:02he'll have my next kid, all that, really unfair.
22:04What if he and the kid, he might be the worst
22:06boyfriend in the world, a scumbag you call him.
22:08What if he's a good dad?
22:10We're going to stand here and support the fact
22:12that she's playing God with Kaden's life.
22:14You know I'm right and you are the reason here.
22:16You know I'm right.
22:18It doesn't matter if they hate each other.
22:20It's about Kaden.
22:22She knows I'm being good to her.
22:24Right, so you have to go.
22:26You're not big enough.
22:28Show her heart.
22:30Listen to her.
22:32I just want to see my kid.
22:34You're going the wrong way about it.
22:36You have to be calm and see.
22:38You haven't had a good look at your life.
22:40Listen to me then.
22:42I told you today was.
22:44I told you today was.
22:46What did you use?
22:48I've always called Kaden my son.
22:50What did you use to call him?
22:52Nicknames?
22:54Satan?
22:56I called him Caesar.
22:58Because he was a wise monkey.
23:00Go on, tell me.
23:02Why did you name your son
23:04after a salad?
23:06That's not how you used to call him
23:08when he was a baby.
23:10Can we move on from that?
23:12Why don't you watch less television
23:14and get your head out of your backside?
23:16Can I just say something?
23:18You said you were too busy talking about some programme
23:20that you can see him
23:22but you need to step up to the mark.
23:24She also said, which is absolutely acceptable,
23:26you can only do that in the right environment
23:28with the right people.
23:30That is what we do.
23:32Graham and the team, and you're a part of that.
23:34You're right.
23:36I get what you're saying.
23:38You said to me just then,
23:40he's made, but no he hasn't,
23:42because you haven't disappeared down the corridor
23:44going you'll never see him again.
23:46I'm saying he has to be given a chance.
23:48You will be if...
23:50Do you know what the real problem here is?
23:52Look at me.
23:54What do you think the real problem is?
23:56He's too in love with me, leave me alone.
23:58You're absolutely spot on.
24:00Do you want to see your child?
24:02Then you're going to have to adhere
24:04to what is agreed in aftercare.
24:06Not about her and you, about you and the kid.
24:08If you and I told you you would never get back with her,
24:10would you still want to see the kid?
24:12That's what you need to think about.
24:14You have to let us...
24:16You have to let us, you have to let us
24:18try and work on that and see what we can do
24:20and this lady has to play a part.
24:22Good to meet you. And you.
24:24I like you.
24:26Give her a round of applause.
24:28Right, we'll let you know after the break
24:30more on the Jeremy Calsher, I'm right back, don't go anywhere.
24:32She changes her phone number more times
24:34than she changes her underwear.
24:36Yeah, and why is that?
24:38That's what we'd like to know.
24:40That's what we would like to know.
24:42How can you put my number in my address?
24:44How can we tell them that?
24:46Tell me about how she dumped your daughter.
24:48Are you running off now?
24:50The truth hurts, right?
24:54Are you having problems with your ex?
24:56Are they interfering with your relationship?
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25:30Welcome back. My next guest today, Sparky,
25:32says that he split with his girlfriend Donna
25:34after she admitted cheating on him,
25:36now announcing a pregnancy not long after.
25:38Sparky's first birthday after a DNA test
25:40confirmed he was the dad.
25:42Sparky says for six years Donna's been playing God
25:44with their child and has continuously changed
25:46her address and number to stop him having access.
25:48He says just six months ago
25:50she practically dumped her own child on him
25:52and he hasn't seen her since today.
25:54He says you've got one last chance
25:56to see your daughter, but if you mess up,
25:58we are gone for good.
26:00Strong words. Sparky's on the car show that way.
26:08Hello.
26:10How are you?
26:12Welcome to the show, Sparky33.
26:14Ex-partner to Donna, you have a daughter
26:16and can I just point out before we get into this,
26:18you have residential care of that child.
26:20How old is the child? Six.
26:22Was the baby planned? No.
26:24Right. Shut up.
26:26That'll be Donna then.
26:28From that, just explain to me
26:30how we got here. It's all well and good to go
26:32she's a bad mum, she dumped the kid on me.
26:34What's the story?
26:36Everything seemed fine.
26:38She took her eldest away to see her father.
26:40Can he speak and then we'll get to you, Donna, yeah?
26:42Just wait a sec, please.
26:44Go on, speak.
26:46She took her eldest to see her dad.
26:48I found out she cheated on me.
26:50Found out that she'd fallen pregnant.
26:52The dates tallied with that visit
26:54that she went away.
26:56She then admitted she cheated on me
26:58and we split.
27:00I ended up moving away.
27:02How long did you not see your child for?
27:04She made it to her first birthday.
27:06She made it extremely difficult.
27:08I asked her to do her DNA, she was adamant
27:10it was the other person's.
27:12And then you say for the next five years
27:14she would contact you.
27:16You found out via DNA the kid's yours
27:18so you keep trying, you keep trying
27:20and from one to six, five years
27:22she'd let you have contact then she'd disappear.
27:24She was literally running circles around me.
27:26Literally one minute she was there
27:28letting me see my daughter,
27:30next minute she was vanishing,
27:32That's very easy, isn't it?
27:34National television come out with, on this show particularly, lines
27:36like she's this, she's that.
27:38You say, I mean what I say.
27:40Every time my kid came to my house, her clothes stunk.
27:42This woman is not a good mother.
27:44She is no good at looking after this child.
27:46That's what you stand by.
27:48Yeah.
27:50And before people go, oh that's easy.
27:52You now have residential care for this child.
27:54Yes or no?
27:56How did that happen?
27:58Sorry, hold on a sec.
28:00Does he have residential care?
28:02Hello?
28:04Does he have residential care of the child?
28:06Yeah, he does.
28:08I'm just trying to deal with the facts, darling.
28:10Alright?
28:12How did you get residential care?
28:14She dropped my daughter in my care,
28:16left in a taxi with the rest of her kids,
28:18promised her daughter she'd be down to visit,
28:20come see her, was going to move down.
28:22She made phone contact
28:24for a couple of weeks and vanished.
28:26How long ago was it that she saw her daughter?
28:28June of last year.
28:30Seven months?
28:32Yep. Her birthday was in November.
28:34She can see her kid under supervision?
28:36Yep.
28:38This is not you making a rule.
28:40This is court based residential care.
28:42It's all there, even that she doesn't bother with.
28:44Exactly.
28:46Why are you here today?
28:48Because I want her to have contact with her daughter.
28:50Her daughter deserves to see her mum.
28:52So she's shouting and screaming
28:54at her kid that you
28:56controller, that you're poisoning the kid.
28:58You are here though, you're saying
29:00say what you want, I'm here for my daughter, right?
29:02Exactly.
29:04Let's get her out, Donna's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
29:14My daughter has more contact with my daughter
29:16than I do.
29:18Because did you change your number 30, 40 times?
29:20No, I don't know.
29:22You could have easily asked
29:24for my number when you
29:26had sent me the pictures of my daughter.
29:28Donna, welcome to the show.
29:30Can I ask you a question? You accused Sparky of kidnapping
29:32your daughter, yeah?
29:34Why have the court
29:36set up a residential order?
29:38I did know nothing about the court hearings.
29:40I have no letters, I have nothing.
29:42I have nothing whatsoever.
29:44So how do you feel that you
29:46haven't seen your daughter in seven months?
29:48No, I haven't because he won't let me.
29:50That's a lie.
29:52I know, I did the best interest in my daughter
29:54because I was homeless at the time.
29:56I gave her to you to look after.
29:58Homeless?
30:00Homeless, they said at the council office
30:02that you still had access to the house.
30:04I have to be really careful, but here's the thing I don't quite get
30:06and I'm not having a go, I'm asking you.
30:08You decided because you were homeless
30:10that you would give your child to him.
30:12Yeah, so she's not on the streets.
30:14Right, fantastic, but you kept two other kids, yeah?
30:16Yeah.
30:18I'm going to leave that hanging out there.
30:20If this man is, as you say,
30:22an appalling human being
30:24who's stopping you from seeing your kid,
30:26in fact you've said loads about this bloke,
30:28why the hell did you give him your kid in the first place, love?
30:30I didn't want to be on the streets.
30:32In a sense.
30:36So you did that temporarily and he's taken advantage, yes?
30:38Yeah.
30:40I've never once stopped Sparky from seeing his daughter.
30:42So you want your daughter back?
30:44Yeah, I will cut out with my kids.
30:46You don't want your daughter back?
30:48No, she's settled.
30:50You don't want your daughter back?
30:52All I want is to cut out with my kids.
30:54Why don't you want your daughter back? You're her mother.
30:56Yeah, of course I'm her mother, but she's settled.
31:00I want weekends and holidays because she's settled.
31:02You want weekends and holidays.
31:04Do you pay him maintenance?
31:06He gets all the money for her.
31:08Right, what do you do?
31:10I'm a single mum, I'm pregnant, I've got two kids at home.
31:12Well, stop having babies if you can't look after them.
31:16I'm sorry, hold on a minute.
31:18You've got two others I'm not allowed to talk about,
31:20you've got one with him and you're up the duff again.
31:22Why wouldn't you go,
31:24I'm going to get me house in order before I have another one?
31:26Yeah, I've got a viewing on a house next week.
31:28No, love, let's just rewind.
31:30Not let's get your house bought,
31:32why don't you get your life house in order?
31:34Yeah, I am.
31:36Why don't you stop having children
31:38and concentrate on the ones you've got?
31:40I am concentrating on the ones that I've got
31:42and I want my other two.
31:44I'm not saying I don't want her back.
31:46I'm not saying I don't want her back.
31:48You just said so with her dad.
31:50No, you should be on your knees saying thank you to this guy.
31:52Yeah, and I thank you.
31:54Really?
31:56Yeah, I am.
32:00I never stopped contact, he's banned me.
32:02That's what you told my team.
32:04Yeah, he has.
32:06I placed my daughter in his care temporarily
32:08and when I got back on my feet he's abused that
32:10and he's destroyed my life.
32:12I phoned the police and I phoned social services
32:14and I went through all the links to try and get my daughter back.
32:16Nobody buys you, love. Nobody buys you, you haven't done enough.
32:18You don't even know what you're saying.
32:20You just said you didn't know about the court case.
32:22No, I didn't know about the court cases.
32:24Then why have you done everything then?
32:26Because you'd have arrived in court, wouldn't you?
32:28And fought the residential care.
32:30It doesn't help when he gives the wrong address
32:32and the wrong number to the courts.
32:34You were in a bad situation, absolutely accept that.
32:36You were homeless, you decided to give your child to Sparky.
32:38You now say he's banned you from seeing her
32:40but you came out here and you said,
32:42I don't want custody.
32:44You're twisting it.
32:46How can you twist I don't want custody?
32:48No, I'd love my kids back.
32:50You said I want contact.
32:52At the end of the day, they're settled.
32:54She's settled with her dad.
32:56What about the other one?
32:58You've made a history of getting pregnant
33:00and then dumping your kids on men.
33:02Steve's on the Jeremy Carr Show that way.
33:10You are a filthy slayer.
33:12How long, how long, yeah?
33:14How long has it been
33:16since you've had fun with your daughter?
33:18Have a seat, mate.
33:20Tell me, how long?
33:22He won't answer the phone.
33:24Rubbish.
33:26Oh, they're both full of it, are they?
33:28Or are you somebody who produces?
33:30Who's the one who sat down in my house, right?
33:32And I told them, I told you.
33:34I was thinking about moving.
33:36But for obvious reasons, you know.
33:38Have a bite.
33:40Welcome to the show. Let's hear your story
33:42because it bears really, really close hallmarks
33:44of Sparky's story, doesn't it?
33:46Yeah, it does.
33:48Be quiet. Go on.
33:50We weren't in an official relationship
33:52to begin with.
33:54I'd just come out of a long-term relationship
33:56and I'd had my heart ripped in two.
33:58It was sex. That's all it was.
34:00You said I found 15 negative pregnancy tests.
34:02I'm such an idiot because I now know
34:04she was trying to trap you.
34:06You're a bunny boiler.
34:08She was planned.
34:10You go further and say
34:12that she gets pregnant
34:14so she can get the benefits
34:16and then drops the kids on men.
34:18No, I don't.
34:20She was planned.
34:22Are you having a laugh?
34:24You're not wired up right, girl.
34:26I'm not wired up.
34:28Who sat in my living room and said to me
34:30that you would bring my child up to see me
34:32every other weekend?
34:34You did the right thing.
34:36She spent exactly the same amount of time
34:38on Mr Sparky's story,
34:40making it difficult for you to see the kid,
34:42always coming up with an excuse,
34:44always moving in and out of her life,
34:46changing her number.
34:48How difficult was that for you?
34:50Very difficult.
34:52Changing number.
34:54She changes her phone number more times
34:56than she changes her underwear.
34:58Yeah, and why is that?
35:00That's what we'd like to know.
35:02You two keep telling certain other people
35:04my number and my address.
35:06How can we tell them that?
35:08Tell me about how she dumped your daughter.
35:10Are you running off now?
35:12The truth hurts, right?
35:14She dumped your daughter on you
35:16in almost exactly the same situation
35:18as Sparky.
35:20What happened?
35:22I get a phone call from her
35:24telling me that she'd been given 24 hours
35:26to get herself sorted out,
35:28otherwise social services
35:30were putting all of her kids
35:32into foster care.
35:34I dropped everything, I jumped in the car
35:36and I went and collected my daughter.
35:38It was a verbal
35:40temporary agreement
35:42till Christmas.
35:44Can I just say, I've always been totally straight
35:46with people watching this.
35:48I accept that she's pregnant, she's now saying
35:50that she has some pain in her stomach,
35:52which we have to accept.
35:54She doesn't want to come back on stage,
35:56that's absolutely fine.
35:58Both of you are here for one reason
36:00and one reason only, not to have a go at this woman
36:02but to say, you caused this mess,
36:04we've stepped up, we want
36:06our daughters to have contact with you.
36:08That is the end point of this
36:10story, right? That's what you came here for.
36:12I want her to have
36:14contact in a suitable environment
36:16so that her and her daughter can reconnect
36:18and then when the time's right
36:20there won't be no need for supervision,
36:22she can have her for school holidays.
36:24That's good, isn't it?
36:26Do you feel the same?
36:28I do, Jeremy, but I don't think she deserves it.
36:30What kind of mother
36:32walks out of a registry office
36:34after having my name put
36:36on a birth certificate and says
36:38you've got your parental responsibility
36:40now, she's your problem.
36:44I mean, it was hard enough
36:46when I first got my daughter that
36:48she goes to me, I'll sign all of the
36:50benefits over to you so you can look after her,
36:52bring her up, give her the best.
36:54No, I had to fight through court to get it.
36:56And due to one hell of a family
36:58that live in my area, they gave me
37:00a bank card and went, you get her what she needs
37:02because all she had was the clothes on her back.
37:04Nothing else.
37:14How difficult has it been?
37:18With no money, Jeremy, because I'm not
37:20getting any money for Lily because
37:22she's still claiming it.
37:26Difficult for you as well?
37:28It was to begin with, but as I said, thanks to that family.
37:30But you wouldn't change anything?
37:32No, never.
37:40I have to do this correctly
37:42so let's just go and have a quick word.
37:44Live with their dads, it's absolutely
37:46OK for them to live with their dads, OK.
37:48That's Jeremy coming in, have a seat.
37:50Do you understand what people are saying?
37:52Yeah, you understand that, but at the end of the day,
37:54Jeremy, there's no point.
37:56The dad's settling the girls,
37:58I'm thankful for them,
38:00for taking them in when I was going through a bad situation.
38:02That's fine, but you have to,
38:04and I understand that you want contact,
38:06but it's almost like, and you know how I do this,
38:08there has to be an acknowledgement of responsibility.
38:10I know that you're pregnant,
38:12I know that these two
38:14have been given the responsibility
38:16to take your children up,
38:18but you've done it twice.
38:20It's not acceptable.
38:22If that was a bloke, the world would be going nuts.
38:24You have failed those kids as a mother.
38:26You're going to say...
38:28How have I failed them?
38:30Failing my kids is taking up the streets with me.
38:32I'll take your side a minute.
38:34Then in a decent world, in a decent civilised society,
38:36I know you're pregnant,
38:38you should be out there, not slagging them off,
38:40you should be saying thank you very much indeed
38:42for everything you've done,
38:44and I appreciate the fact that you're both here
38:46but can we sit down in a room, please,
38:48and make a plan so I can see my kids?
38:50Get out there and say thank you to them
38:52and we'll make that happen.
38:54That's the point of the show, darling.
38:56That's exactly the point.
38:58Nothing more than that. Do you understand?
39:00But you've got to understand, Bo,
39:02there are men who wouldn't have even looked at that
39:04and they'd have...
39:06Yeah, but they're twisting everything.
39:08Stephen's saying he hasn't sat down in my living room.
39:10Stephen has sat down in my living room
39:12and said that he will, you know,
39:14moving back up to Colombia to be with my family.
39:16Are you grateful for what they've done?
39:18Of course I am. I'm really grateful.
39:20Right, OK, that's the starting point
39:22but what you want in both instances
39:24is you want contact with your kids.
39:26I want contact with my kids.
39:28But you would understand that they are cynical about that,
39:30that they're not sure if you're going to see that through
39:32but what you're saying is you want to do that.
39:34Well, I'll tell you what, we won't put you back on stage
39:36but I want to put you in a room.
39:38I want you to understand, we'll do this correctly and properly
39:40as we always do with Graham and the team
39:42These people are your enemy.
39:44These people have saved your children, your daughters
39:46from going in care.
39:48And they don't have a very high opinion of you right now
39:50and the way to improve that
39:52is to say sorry and work with them
39:54and try and be involved in your daughters' lives.
39:56That's all I'm saying. Yes or no?
39:58Will you do that?
40:00Alright guys, you can hear this as well.
40:02We'll sort that out with Graham and we'll get that sorted.
40:04Don't go anywhere.
40:06And after the break, more on that stage right back.
40:08I do like doing this show but these parts I hate
40:10The DNA test does not show the Oscar.
40:40Welcome back. My next guest today, Valentine, is a man in complete turmoil
40:58after finding out only one month ago
41:00that Oscar, the person who is always believed to be his father,
41:02might not in fact be that.
41:04Now, Valentine says his world has been turned upside down
41:06and he is desperate to know the truth.
41:08Is this guy my dad?
41:10Is it simply, after that call from his mum,
41:12a stranger in Nigeria?
41:14This is one huge day for this guy.
41:16Big respect as well.
41:18Valentine on the Jeremy Carl Show.
41:20That way.
41:22Oh my God.
41:24What a man in a suit.
41:26You look younger than I thought.
41:28I beg your pardon?
41:30You look younger than I thought.
41:32Sit down and shut up instead.
41:34That's very nice.
41:36That's very nice. I look younger than you.
41:38Why? What did you think?
41:40I was thinking you are both sisters.
41:42Nice to meet you, Valentine.
41:44You alright?
41:46Yeah, fine.
41:48This is by anybody's standards.
41:50I mean, it's sort of horrific, really.
41:52Of course.
41:54Let's have some background.
41:56I know you've only been here in England for a while
41:58but let's find out what you discovered growing up.
42:00What you were told growing up, pal.
42:02Based on what?
42:04Based on what?
42:06Oscar.
42:08Well, you know, I've known him since birth.
42:10As my dad.
42:12He's been there for me.
42:14He has treated me well.
42:16No doubt about that.
42:18But just a month ago, I got a call.
42:20A month ago? You're over in England now?
42:22Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:24Oscar's in England.
42:26You were brought up in Nigeria by your mother.
42:28Yeah.
42:30And was Oscar involved in your life?
42:32A lot.
42:34He played a major role.
42:36So you have a bond with this guy?
42:38Definitely.
42:40A month ago, you get a call out of the blue
42:42from your mother in Nigeria
42:44and what does she say to you?
42:46When she called me,
42:48she sounded funny on the phone.
42:50She was crying that she's got a confession
42:52to make.
42:54I said, what could that be?
42:56I'm sorry to tell you this.
42:58Oscar is not your dad.
43:00A month ago.
43:02You're 32 years of age.
43:04From nothing.
43:06What happened? How come?
43:08She didn't say.
43:10This guy brought him over to England.
43:12He's been an absolute rock.
43:14You love this guy.
43:16At that moment,
43:18everything that you believe to be the truth
43:20just falls apart.
43:22Up to this very point.
43:24Smart.
43:28He's like your best mate, isn't he?
43:30Yeah.
43:32You say that if he isn't, it's some stranger in Nigeria.
43:34My mother took 32 years to tell me the truth.
43:36I mean, obviously,
43:38that's a different situation and a different relationship.
43:40You love this guy.
43:42You say the last four weeks,
43:44your world has been turned upside down.
43:46I've been depressed.
43:48I can't think straight.
43:50I've lost my appetite.
43:52So that's why I'm here.
43:54I just want to find the truth.
43:56Who ran this show, you or your dad?
43:58Myself.
44:00Because you wanted the truth.
44:02Has it affected your relationship with Oscar?
44:04No, not at all.
44:06How is he? Does it upset him as well?
44:08No, he's not upset.
44:10That fatherless son love is still there.
44:12So nothing can break that bond?
44:14Not at all.
44:16APPLAUSE
44:18This guy...
44:20This guy says, for the last 32 years,
44:22I've believed that Valentine to be my son.
44:24I've never had a doubt about it.
44:26The last four weeks have been utterly horrific,
44:28but I will always support him.
44:30Shall we bring him out? You OK? Yeah.
44:32You're doing really well. Let's get Oscar on the Jeremy Carr Show.
44:34Bit upset, this guy.
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44:44Happy to see you.
44:46Good man.
44:48Can I say something? I don't think it matters what country you come from.
44:50This is me.
44:52If a boy, a girl, a child
44:54can say that about you as a man, as a father,
44:56absolutely total respect to you.
44:58That's all you want to hear, right?
45:00That's all you want to hear.
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45:04You told my team,
45:06Valentine's everything. He's my only son.
45:08He's my only son, yeah.
45:10What's it been like? Oh, bless your heart.
45:12You scared about today? Yeah.
45:14LAUGHTER
45:16Had you any doubts at all?
45:18Never.
45:20He's my son.
45:24When he got this call, Oscar,
45:26a month ago, you described it as the biggest shock...
45:28Shock of my life. ..of your life.
45:30It was a bombshell.
45:34LAUGHTER
45:36No suspicion. She'd never said anything.
45:38It's all about today. What does this mean?
45:40Does it... I know...
45:42I'm a father, potentially, to say this.
45:44Valentine is my joy, my happiness, my everything.
45:46I pray this is a lie. It would devastate me.
45:48Could you and he still have
45:50the same relationship, though?
45:52It will never change, forever.
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46:02I do like doing this show,
46:04but these parts I hate,
46:06unless I get... I can only read it out.
46:08It's not my fault, OK?
46:10I hope you get the result that you want. Thanks, Will.
46:12So does everybody in the audience. You OK?
46:14You all right?
46:18This is the one moment I can't get the blimming card open.
46:24Look at your face.
46:28The DNA test results show that Oscar...
46:34..he's not your biological father.
46:36HE WHIMPERS
46:40I'm sorry, pal.
46:42It's not my fault.
46:48There's no percent chance that he's your son.
46:56I don't know what... Do you know what, mate?
46:58I thought... I can only read out.
47:00I don't know the results before it will be unfair.
47:02I can stand here, squat here,
47:04and say to you that he says that you're a great man,
47:06but...
47:08..that's a fact, I'm afraid.
47:14Being a dad isn't about being blood-related, actually.
47:16Anybody can create a life.
47:18It takes a man to look after a kid.
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47:30Did you suspect that?
47:32No.
47:34I'm shocked.
47:36So am I.
47:38Sorry.
47:42A lot to take in,
47:44but you have got that connection, you've got that bond,
47:46and I promise you one thing, Oscar, look at me.
47:48We'll work with you, I promise you.
47:50Please... Yeah, it makes you...
47:52It makes you wonder all sorts of things, right?
47:58You OK?
48:02You're angry now.
48:04OK, listen.
48:06Whatever people say,
48:08the most important thing for us to do is support you backstage
48:10and get you off and get this sorted, all right?
48:12Thank you very much.
48:14I'm sorry. I'm really, really sorry.
48:16I'm sorry.
48:18Oh, well.
48:20You've got that bond waiting, all right?
48:24CHEERING
48:28It's been a shock, though.
48:30I don't think that guy saw that coming at all.
48:32We'll do our best to work with him and let you know.
48:34I'm out of time. If you want to be on the show, you need my help.
48:36Visit our website. The details are on screen.
48:38Thanks for watching this morning. I'll see you soon.
48:40Take care, everybody, for now.
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