The Jeremy Kyle Show (13 Feb 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12Describe the girl you've been on off with for 11 years who's looking at you now as a 5 out of 10.
00:19Did you or did you not say that to my team?
00:21You know, I obviously did.
00:23Did you or did you not say that?
00:24I obviously did, yeah.
00:26Well, here's something you might be interested in. Do you want to look at the screen?
00:29This is the 10 out of 10 supermodel. The one he's with for 4 weeks. The one he disrespects you with and you need to wise up.
00:40When was the last time you had sex with Sam?
00:42I love him.
00:43Yeah, you do.
00:44I remember.
00:45In the last 4 weeks?
00:46Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did.
00:49This I love. It's not bad, you know. I love her. Well, I'm in love with her. Why do I love her? Because it's been 11 years.
00:56It's been 11 years.
00:59I love you. If you stand there with a friend going, sorry, that's it. I'm going.
01:06She's the last lawyer we take down. You've been nothing but arguing with me.
01:09No, because you know when I first moved in, we haven't been inseparable.
01:27Right.
01:33Hello, my friends. Good morning. It's never a big, big welcome to the show.
01:36Now, our first guest today, Kevin, is here to demand answers from his on-off partner, Sam,
01:40whom he suspects has been cheating behind his back. But, check this, he admits, I can't believe I'm reading this,
01:46Kevin has another girlfriend.
01:50Who might be pregnant with his kids.
01:53Some days I really don't know what's going on. Anyway, listen, this man is affectionately known as Mr Loverman,
01:57so he wants to know if his ex-wife is a cheat, and he's here to admit he's already got a new bird and she's pregnant.
02:01Kevin is on the Jeremy Carl show. That way!
02:11Hello, Jeremy. How are you? I'm all right. I'm just nervous right now, though, to be fair.
02:16Look at them. Look at me. Hello, ladies. Mr Loverman. Hello, baby.
02:2326-year-old Kevin, on-off relationship with Sam, 11 years. Before we talk about the new one, that's only been four weeks,
02:30let's talk about you and Sam.
02:34At the beginning.
02:36My relationship with Sam started going downhill almost two years ago. I had major suspicion she was cheating.
02:41Based on what, my friend?
02:43Like, she went on holiday. It turns out that... went as well.
02:47Just basically, I think he went down to her and that's it, really.
02:51You say I got that nervous and so wound up I saved up money for a lie detector, but lo and behold, she refused to take it.
02:56What am I supposed to think? That's going to make me wonder, right?
02:59That's the main thing. And I requested to come on here first, but she didn't want to come in front of all these people.
03:04So then I raised up the money to go and do it and I phoned them up to do it, and she told me,
03:09no, I'm not doing it, come up with another ex.
03:11Describe the girl you've been on-off with for 11 years who's looking at you now as a 5 out of 10.
03:195 out of 10? I've never seen...
03:21I've been seeing Stacey for four weeks, she's a 10 out of 10, Sam's not like a 5 out of 10.
03:27Did you or did you not say that to my team?
03:30You know, I obviously did.
03:31Did you or did you not say it?
03:32I obviously did, yeah.
03:33Sam pushed me into the arms of Stacey.
03:35Yeah.
03:36I love Sam, but I'm in love with Stacey, check this.
03:39Sam cooks, Stacey has the looks.
03:51You know, this Mr Loverman thing, I think this might not be working.
03:54If Sam passes the test, I won't know who to choose.
03:57Who the hell do you think you are? You left her for another woman.
03:59Choose? No, come on, look at the way you're making me look like...
04:02I knew this was going to happen, mate.
04:04How did you expect to look when you said she's a 5 out of 10, she cooks,
04:09the other one's a 10 out of 10 and she looks?
04:11I can have any woman I want, if Sam passes, I won't know who to choose.
04:14Maybe I'll go back to her, maybe I'll stay with the new bird.
04:17Tell me I'm not telling them what you said.
04:19I'm just being honest.
04:21You play a game, don't you?
04:23Not really, no.
04:24Women running after you.
04:25No, because I've been with her for 11 years.
04:27Are you proud of her and your relationship?
04:29Of course I am.
04:30And why are you sleeping with somebody else then?
04:31Because she pushed me to do it.
04:33Yeah, that's another thing.
04:34Sam pushed me into the arms of Stacey.
04:36Stacey showed me love, I haven't had it in a long time.
04:39Yeah, which is true.
04:41Why then, if you're with Stacey, the supermodel,
04:44do you give her rat's backside whether she cheated on you
04:47when you were with her for 11 years?
04:49Because...
04:50Because it'll justify your appalling behaviour in the last four weeks.
04:53No, not really.
04:54And you're that cocky you think you can have either of them, don't you?
04:57No, I don't.
04:58So she passes, you're going back to her, are you?
05:00All right, then, put it this way.
05:01Ask the question.
05:02Say it again, sorry.
05:03You think if she passes, you can decide who you want,
05:06either the stunner who does whatever or her.
05:08Because both of them could say I don't want you.
05:10But you know the biggest thing, though, I'm a man,
05:12and I stand on my own two feet.
05:13I don't need a woman to look after me, and that's the truth.
05:16That is the truth.
05:17So if they both leave me today,
05:19I will leave here today and go and just do what I do anyway.
05:22What do you mean, do what I do?
05:23Listen, I love that girl with all my heart,
05:25and she knows it, and I try and kiss her in public
05:27cos she don't want to kiss me.
05:29Yeah?
05:30Wait, though, screw your face like that cos we're seeing...
05:32You said she was five out of ten.
05:34It's not like that. It's not like that at all.
05:36Did you say she was five out of ten?
05:38When you've got people telling you, yeah, right,
05:40you can do a lot better and... I don't listen to that...
05:42You listen to the other people, you listen to what's in your heart.
05:45This lady says,
05:46I've never cheated on him and deep down he knows that,
05:48but he won't stop accusing me.
05:49I've come here today to prove it, and I'm slightly gutted.
05:52He's got a new boy, God knows why.
05:54I was there, I think she's right.
05:56Let's make that a show.
06:08It's not like that at all.
06:09I don't think we're going to get on too well,
06:11cos I'm going to tell you something.
06:12Everything that you wish for, you're going to get
06:14if you allow a man to treat you like that, darling.
06:20Once you allow a man to say,
06:22I've been seeing another bird for four weeks,
06:24then you cook, you're all right, you bring up my kids,
06:26but you know what, you're going to come to this show
06:28and do a lie detector to prove to that little runt
06:30that you didn't cheat on him.
06:31Who does he think he is?
06:33Eh?
06:34I don't know.
06:35Yeah, I love it, mate.
06:36Shut up.
06:37Why do you put up with it?
06:39Cos I'm a mug.
06:40All right, then.
06:41Let me explain myself.
06:42No, why don't you shut up and let her speak?
06:44Why was he in love with me?
06:50Don't embarrass us.
06:51I'm the one that's getting embarrassed today,
06:53but you better explain to him why I did it.
06:57Why did what?
06:58Why I moved on the way I moved on.
07:00Cos I kept telling him to go and get out of my house
07:02cos I was sick to death of getting accused of something I haven't done.
07:04It wasn't like that, though.
07:05We'll see when the results come, won't we?
07:07I got over that.
07:08So when you said, do one,
07:09you didn't really expect him to go and do one, did you?
07:12No, not within a day, no.
07:13Within a day?
07:14Ask her how many times...
07:15Can I speak to her or what?
07:17Ask her how many times this year she's kicked me out.
07:19How many times have you kicked him out this year?
07:22Quite a lot.
07:23How many times...
07:24How many times have you taken him back?
07:26Cos we've got three kids together, that's why.
07:28What's he put up with this, do you?
07:29So you can kick a man out 50 times
07:31and you expect me to keep going and coming back like I'm a dog.
07:34It's like bouncing a ball up the wall.
07:36One day it ain't going to come back to you, is it?
07:39One day you might miss it.
07:41If the wall's still there unless the ball bursts...
07:44Unless you hit it too hard and it goes over your shoulder.
07:48Yeah.
07:49Right, anyway, back to the story.
07:51Darling, with respect, they're all thinking what I'm thinking,
07:54which is that you are, and I'm not being horrible,
07:56you're allowing this to happen. Why?
07:58He just sat there like he can do anything.
08:00I know, whatever you say...
08:01Look at this. God, a lie.
08:03Oh, he took it off? No, it's cos you come on the show.
08:05What, she take off?
08:06How many times...
08:07Has he ringed you more now?
08:08Can she speak?
08:09No.
08:10Shut up.
08:13What is today about, from your point of view?
08:16I just want to prove that I haven't cheated on him.
08:18Why? He's not with you, he's with another bird.
08:20I know, I know.
08:21How do you feel about...
08:22I want to show him what he's flipping lost.
08:25Yeah.
08:26Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
08:29Do you want to show him what he's lost or what he might still have?
08:32Because you'd have him back in heartbeat, wouldn't you?
08:34Well, it's because I'm a man, that's why.
08:36I'm not a clown, I'm not like Tom, Dick and Harry...
08:39Hello, are you embarrassing yourself?
08:41I'm not embarrassing myself.
08:42So you think she'd have you back in heartbeat?
08:44Yeah, guaranteed.
08:45And you know what, I'm not one of them.
08:47Guaranteed.
08:48I'm a lion.
08:49Five out of ten.
08:51APPLAUSE
08:55What contact have you had, if any, with the new bird?
08:59Not face-to-face.
09:00You've spoken to her? Yeah.
09:01Why?
09:02Because I was angry.
09:03What did you say to her?
09:05Told her she got used.
09:07Do you want him back?
09:09Right now, no.
09:11Right now?
09:12Because what he's been saying about me...
09:14Today he said to my team all morning, you know what,
09:16I'll get the results and I will choose today which one I want.
09:19I don't think so.
09:20Well, here's something you might be interested in.
09:22Do you want to look at the screen?
09:24One person decided that they'd actually come here to ITV.
09:28CHEERING
09:30This is the ten out of ten supermodel,
09:32the one he's with for four weeks,
09:34the one he disrespects you with and you need to wise up.
09:37Back in a minute, the new bird's next. Don't go anywhere.
09:41You knew I was with him 11 years and you had the cheek to message me.
09:44You packed his bags and everything, Sam.
09:46At the end of the day, you thought you could message me on day two,
09:49telling me, leave my boyfriend alone, he's all mine.
09:52I hope this fails anyway. That's all I'm going to say.
09:55I hope she passes and the two of them see you for what they are
09:58and run for the bleak mills.
10:03CHEERING
10:06CHEERING
10:09I'm honestly working up for the break, Kevin and Sam.
10:11You understand from my point of view, don't you?
10:13I think he thinks he can do anything, he can have any woman he wants
10:16and you're allowing that to happen. How long have you been with Stacey?
10:19Are you with Stacey right now?
10:21Stacey's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
10:24CHEERING
10:26APPLAUSE
10:33I thought it was a bit of a shock, innit?
10:35Slightly.
10:37You're loving this, aren't you?
10:39And by the way, can I tell you something?
10:41You're going to look as big an idiot as she does in this.
10:44CHEERING
10:46Stacey, why is that, then?
10:48You're on a ten out of ten, apparently, and you're in love with him, yeah?
10:51Yeah. After 28 days.
10:54It's getting stronger, isn't it?
10:56Look at him, he acts like...
10:58Because I am a straight man, right?
11:00You know what I don't know about each other?
11:02Cos I never played one of them. Cos I've been playing myself.
11:05That's why I don't know about each other.
11:07Wait there, wait there, wait there.
11:09Lying to Stacey, saying, you're not at my house.
11:12When was the last time you had sex with Sam?
11:14Do I love him? Yeah, you do.
11:16When was the last time you had sex with him, Sam?
11:18Can't remember. Thank you.
11:20In the last four weeks? Yeah.
11:23CHEERING
11:24Did you know that, Stace?
11:26Well, she said that you had it, like, four days.
11:29I've been honest, I'm not lying to her, I've got nothing to lie about.
11:32And do you believe that?
11:34Did he tell you? What's your answer, then?
11:36Did you have sex with her since you split up four weeks ago?
11:39I haven't that much, I can't remember, I'm having a joke here.
11:42It's not a joke, though.
11:44You, right, you, listen, I've been set up here.
11:46And you only had to do a lie detector to prove that cocky little lie, right?
11:49So, apparently, you didn't cheat. I hope you did cheat.
11:52Yes, it is, honestly, girl.
11:54And you are stupid.
11:57You're not even speaking, Stace, cos you know you don't look great.
12:00Come on, help me out.
12:02Basically, like...
12:04Obviously, you knew I was with him, didn't you?
12:06And then, like, you was like, I'll stop being paranoid.
12:09You knew I was with him 11 years and you had the cheek to message me.
12:12You had the cheek. No, he wasn't.
12:14He didn't walk out of my house and tell me,
12:16I'm going to meet Stacey or another girl.
12:18You packed his bags and everything, Sam.
12:20At the end of the day, love, you thought you could message me on day two,
12:23telling me, leave my boyfriend alone, he's all mine now.
12:26It wasn't actually day two, was it, Sam?
12:28Yeah, it was, it was day two, love. No, it wasn't.
12:30How can you be in love with a man that you don't know?
12:32Are you pregnant? So why are you refusing to do a pregnancy test?
12:34How do I know, Sam? Why are you refusing to do a test?
12:36Cos it is embarrassing, isn't it?
12:38It's not your business.
12:40It's not your business.
12:42How is it embarrassing?
12:44No, we're not...
12:46Listen, you hated me.
12:48You found out about her, then you loved me again.
12:50Why is she refusing to do a test?
12:52Wait there, wait there.
12:54Why is she refusing to do a pregnancy test?
12:56Because she ain't pregnant.
12:58Let me speak a second, please.
13:00Can I make out I'm you, Jeremy, for five seconds, please?
13:02What? Can you just get the results so I can go to my future girl?
13:04No, no, it's not about that, right, yeah?
13:06When we broke up the last time, right, yeah,
13:08we broke up for three weeks before, yeah,
13:10I ended up sleeping with a girl,
13:12she found out about it, right,
13:14so then she wanted me back, so then I went back to her.
13:16This time around, I'm saying,
13:18Sam, please, I'm begging you now,
13:20I'm on my knees now, I'm begging you now,
13:22please don't throw me back out there,
13:24because it's going to happen again and you can't...
13:26Nah, I want you to move on, that's what I want you to do.
13:28I can't... Don't you get the hint every single day?
13:30So you're saying she didn't want me?
13:32Hear me out. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
13:34It's brilliant. Sorry, mate.
13:36She didn't want me, I went to Stacey,
13:38then suddenly she wants me back.
13:40That's a bit rich, yes or no?
13:42Then why do you keep staying at her house
13:44instead of having sex with her then?
13:46CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:48And why are you happy to accept it?
13:50Answer the question.
13:52Why are you still at her house?
13:54Because you know she's hanging on
13:56and you know if this one doesn't work out,
13:58you can pick her up again, come on.
14:00Because I've got a heart, yeah, I'm not a heartless man.
14:02I cannot take it yet,
14:04I can't take to break my heart.
14:06Tell Stacey you've had sex with her in the last four weeks.
14:08I haven't, you know, I don't know, I can't remember.
14:10Are you?
14:12And you're prepared to put up with that?
14:14You know what, all right, then, you know what?
14:16Yeah, I did, yeah, I did, I'm what?
14:18You two women, I don't know what you...
14:20The thing is, Mark, though, you said to me,
14:22oh, stop being paranoid,
14:24I want him to be a dad to my kids.
14:26Yeah, I did. Exactly.
14:28You haven't even answered the fact that he's had sex with her!
14:30It's my turn now.
14:32You said that I'm...
14:34What was you saying to me?
14:36Answer the question.
14:38Answer the question.
14:40Stacey, you found out that your boyfriend of four weeks,
14:42the love of your life,
14:44has been having it off with his ex.
14:46And he just found out, just, you know.
14:48And, response, please, are you not angry with him?
14:50You know what? Of course I'm angry with him.
14:52But don't you understand you're like her?
14:54Please don't take this the wrong way,
14:56cos I don't have the words, I don't have the capacity.
14:58He's playing you both, and you look like a couple of dumb schmucks!
15:00APPLAUSE
15:02I am not playing.
15:04Listen, I love her.
15:06They both went,
15:08we're not interested.
15:10I love her, but I'm in love with her.
15:12Why do I love her? Because it's been 11 years.
15:14Sorry, mate, but you know what?
15:16He's trying to frame me, like I'm a bad person.
15:18It's going to go out on national television.
15:20National television.
15:22Listen, love is not bad, you know.
15:24Have you heard that Tory Lanez tune, anyone?
15:26Love ain't a bad thing, it's not a crime.
15:28So let's forget, let's remember that.
15:30So you're in love...
15:32You're in love with Sam,
15:34and you're in love with Stacey?
15:36I love Sam, because I always love her,
15:38and I've told her, have I told you that?
15:40I will always love Sam, and I will always be there for her.
15:42Are you in love with him, or do you love him?
15:44No, listen, I love him.
15:46It's 11 years, he's the father of my kids.
15:48But she can't handle the fact that I moved on.
15:50Well, that's pretty understandable.
15:52What do you mean?
15:54It's all right, then.
15:56But you slept with her four days ago, didn't you?
15:58You lose the moral high ground.
16:00Surely you get that.
16:02I can handle the fact...
16:04Well, I haven't been with Stacey, though.
16:06When did I leave you, Stace?
16:08Well, have you left her? Have you got another one?
16:10No, I said, this is mashing up my head here.
16:12Oh, you poor little boy.
16:14I don't understand, right? You're playing him.
16:16I'm playing him.
16:18Oh, it's love. Stacey, for God's sake, love,
16:20you need to wise up and get your head out of your backside.
16:22CHEERING
16:25Loving it, mate, loving it.
16:29And he'll do to you what he's done to her, and you'll do...
16:31Women always do that, don't they?
16:33Women go, I'll be the one that changes him, I'll be the one that gets him.
16:36I told her from the first day what was going on.
16:38How do you feel about it?
16:40You said to me you wouldn't cheat on me, though.
16:42But I didn't cheat on you.
16:44But how did I cheat? I never went...
16:46I wasn't there with you.
16:48So if you're not sat with her, you can have sex with other people.
16:51If you go to see your kids...
16:54Someone you've been with for 11 years, it's not cheating, is it, really?
16:57Of course it is, cos you're not with her.
16:59She wanted to play, you know what?
17:01It's right, I've been set up.
17:03You know how confident I feel or not?
17:05Sorry, can I just give me that camera, Rich?
17:07Set up is a bloke that's with a bird for 11 years.
17:09She says go, so he goes. He gets with another girl.
17:11He's still sleeping with both, and he says he's been set up.
17:14You have played these two women in any which way for your own ends.
17:18But she made me come... Right, right.
17:20Sam, did you know, when I was with Stacey...
17:22Sam, can you please wise up?
17:24I didn't make you do anything, I didn't make you do nothing.
17:27Didn't expect him to run off, though, is it?
17:29Cos it's not Stacey's fault, it's his fault.
17:31It's your fault for thinking that he would come back.
17:33He's gone and done whatever, and you!
17:35Why were you prepared to accept him sleeping with her?
17:37Can I say one thing, please? I'm in love with her.
17:39Cos it's only been four weeks. Why have you been telling me
17:41you're not in love with her? Who's told you that?
17:43Who? You said you don't love her. I told you that.
17:45I told you that. You said she's got to your head.
17:47You said I can't have both, yeah? Yeah.
17:50I hope this fails, anyway. I hope it fails.
17:53I hope this test fails. That's all I'm going to say.
17:56I hope she passes and the two of them see you for what they are
17:59and run for the bleak mills.
18:01That's what I hope for.
18:03But you're not going to, are you? Cos you love him.
18:05You love him, don't you? It's so sweet.
18:08Sam, during your relationship with Kevin, the love god,
18:10did you have sexual intercourse with anyone else?
18:12You said no. Why did you say no?
18:14I was telling the truth. She was telling the truth, Kevin.
18:16CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:19During your relationship with Kevin,
18:21did you have sexual contact with anyone else?
18:23She said no because your ex was telling the truth, my friend.
18:26CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:28During your relationship with Kevin,
18:30did you passionately kiss anyone else?
18:32No, she said. 11 years, she passed every single question.
18:36CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:39I love you, sweetheart.
18:41Seriously.
18:44CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:54Oi, easiest thing in the world, easiest thing in the world
18:57is to look at somebody's relationship and go,
18:59it's not her fault. Get away from me!
19:01I told you! I told you!
19:03We were together, though. I told you.
19:05I told him. I didn't...
19:07And now look... That's nothing to do with me.
19:09It's not her fault. It's not my fault.
19:11Listen to me, cos this is important, before he comes round.
19:13Listen to me. She's just you 11 years ago.
19:16It's him!
19:18It's him!
19:20I'm not under you trying to distract me.
19:22So, come here, I'll write it bold for you.
19:24I'm going to play you. Why am I going to sleep with her?
19:27Because you didn't want me. Because you've lied all day.
19:29I'm telling the truth. I've told the truth.
19:31It's not because of that. But I've proved that I'm not ready.
19:34The reason why we wasn't together...
19:36Get away from me. But listen...
19:38I've proved I'm telling the truth.
19:40Go away. Go away.
19:42So you don't want me then, no?
19:44Go away. All right, say.
19:46Yeah, but you know that she'll come back to you.
19:48Listen to me, though.
19:50Who else? In 11 years?
19:52That's the whole relationship.
19:54That's not just... Listen to what I'm saying to you.
19:56No. Read the card.
19:58I know what you're saying, but... Read the card.
20:00The reason why I moved on is cos you didn't want me.
20:02That's her card, not your card. You didn't want me, did you?
20:04Did you want me? No, I didn't want you.
20:06And the cameras, and to the whole nation that's going to be watching us.
20:08And you know what? People that are going to be watching know me and you.
20:10I didn't want him. I didn't want him.
20:12Because he was accusing me.
20:14I didn't sleep with him because he was accusing me.
20:16Why didn't you do it last year?
20:18Cos it was my pride. I didn't want to come on national television.
20:20So it's all right for Kevin's head to go all mad and stuff?
20:22Yeah, well, now you know.
20:24You said earlier that you look like a mug.
20:26You don't look like a mug. You don't sound like a mug.
20:28If you've got any brain cells, it's not this girl's fault, right?
20:30And you think...
20:32I just don't appreciate the way she's treated me.
20:34Messaging me stuff when I'm heartbroken.
20:36Yeah, heartbroken. That's the point that you don't get.
20:38Yeah, well, I do.
20:40You know, when you and he are in bed, and he and her are in bed,
20:42there's one person in both scenarios who's called him.
20:44He's plagiarised both like goodness. You know that.
20:46We went out, uptown, drinking and that,
20:48and he goes and rings her at half past two in the morning.
20:50Cos we've been together so long.
20:52What's giving it up?
20:54That's not her fault, and it's not her fault either.
20:56You two have got this totally wrong. This guy's plagiarised.
20:58Look at the smug look on his face.
21:00I'm not a player.
21:02This is the whole point of me and this situation.
21:04They wouldn't even know about each other
21:06when I'd have ten girls on the go.
21:10I'm just going to tell you something I really, really know.
21:12You know you'd have ten girls on the go.
21:14When this goes out, you won't have Jack on the go.
21:16No, seriously.
21:18You're going to go on with him,
21:20because you'll feel like a cup of buttercream.
21:22But you're better.
21:24But I'm not a player no more.
21:26I'm not a player.
21:28You want to be with him, don't you?
21:30She wants to be with you, so that's good.
21:32You want to be with him as well, don't you?
21:34Yeah.
21:36Because I'm not a player.
21:38You don't need to be a player.
21:40You've got exactly what you wanted.
21:42Have I had a sorry?
21:44Has anyone heard me say sorry to them?
21:46For the past year and a half,
21:48I've been accused of sneaking out of my house,
21:50doing this and that with a person in question.
21:52And that is the whole relationship.
21:54That and the person in question,
21:56that is in 11 years.
21:58You on the go?
22:00I'm not picking.
22:02So you're going to continue playing?
22:04Yeah, I'm going to end this show without picking.
22:06That's what I'm going to do.
22:08Just say how it feels.
22:10Obviously, we've got history, good and bad.
22:12What about Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
22:14Friday, Saturday, Sunday?
22:16What about 4-3?
22:18We could mix it up a bit.
22:20Shall I tell you why I'm going now?
22:22Because he not only says that,
22:24but he means that.
22:26And you might not like the next sentence,
22:28but just look beyond the words.
22:30You two are that stupid that you will allow that situation.
22:32Go on, make a pick.
22:34For the first time in your life, make a pick.
22:36You're not picking.
22:38Be a man.
22:40Because I'm not hurting one of them on national TV.
22:42It's not going to work like that.
22:44So, sorry to burst the bubble,
22:46but I ain't picking.
22:48Ladies, you will only in life be treated
22:50as you allow yourself to be treated.
22:52You hang around and wait.
22:54Am I a bad person?
22:56I've been waiting for the year and a half,
22:58and hello, I've got my national telly
23:00to show you that I never mugged you off,
23:02I never cheated on you,
23:04I never looked at no other man,
23:06I never slept with no other man.
23:08And look all you can do,
23:10you stand there with a grin going,
23:12sorry, that's it.
23:14Why don't you make the choice for him then
23:16instead of being all about it?
23:18I'm going.
23:20I'm wearing my kit, I'm going.
23:22APPLAUSE
23:24This is what Jeremy wants,
23:26what she's supposed to leave him with.
23:28But the thing is, though, if you stay with me,
23:30even if it's a year later, you're still going to go with her
23:32because she's got your kids, you're going to go in her house
23:34and you're still going to sleep with her.
23:36But you know what the worst thing is, right?
23:3830 in the morning.
23:40Of course, it's not like that.
23:42Because I didn't make the full decision
23:44of what I was doing, did I?
23:46I was stuck, my head was stuck
23:48at the end of the day.
23:50I don't know whether to hand it to you.
23:52I've been messed about before
23:54and now look at you.
23:56You promised me you wasn't going to cheat on me and that.
23:58You promised me I had nothing to worry about.
24:00In 28 days and he's cheated on you already.
24:02Yeah, exactly.
24:04What are you doing, Stace? I'm a busy man.
24:06Obviously you want me, innit?
24:08LAUGHTER
24:10I'm in love with you.
24:12I'm in love with you.
24:14You're just making it look wicked, man.
24:16What are you doing?
24:18I need to talk to him.
24:20You might need it.
24:22I don't know whether you should be seen as some sort of hero
24:24or the antichrist. Let me tell you one thing.
24:26One day, she won't be there for you to go like that.
24:28One day, her and the next one will wise up
24:30and you'll be on your own and you'll realise
24:32you have to treat women better. That's it.
24:34APPLAUSE
24:36What do you say? I hope they wise up right after the break.
24:38More on that stage. You're not going anywhere
24:40because I'm right back.
24:42I am 110% going to pass the test
24:44and when I do, I want some apologies from Lee.
24:46He said, come back today, he said that we can move on
24:48and see how this works out, yeah?
24:50Lee! Lee!
24:52Lee, listen to me. Let me explain something to you.
24:54The best thing of all is that you came back.
24:56I'm not coming back again, mate.
24:58No, no, no, listen to me.
25:00APPLAUSE
25:08Thank you, my friends. Welcome back.
25:10You might just remember my next guest today from a previous episode.
25:12Take a look at this.
25:14I've seen carpet burns on her knees.
25:16Well, yeah.
25:18I went to work and I come back from work
25:20and she was lying in bed
25:22and she had a cut, she said it was a cut
25:24on her knee. Well, a cut
25:26don't actually look like a blister, does it?
25:28We've taken a shot of her knees,
25:30which I'd like to play to you.
25:32Could we... Oh, hello.
25:34Cracks.
25:36Crack lips. Crack lips.
25:38Yeah, I come back from work and she's got crack lips.
25:40I've always had a big bottom lip,
25:42I always have.
25:44People have died from my lips.
25:46We ask, Kate, since the start of your relationship
25:48with Lee, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
25:50You said no. Why did you say no?
25:52Telling the truth. Testers, you're a liar, love.
25:54Ooh!
25:56Ooh!
25:58I know for a fact
26:00I've not done it. What do you mean, you know for a fact?
26:02We ask, since the start of your relationship with Lee,
26:04have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
26:06Sexual contact. You said no. This testers, you're a liar.
26:08In fact, love, you failed.
26:10You failed on sexual...
26:12Oh, my...
26:16Um...
26:18Now, since the show Kay admitted, ladies and gentlemen,
26:20that the lie detector was right, of course she did,
26:22but says she made a massive mistake at the beginning
26:24of the relationship and is here today
26:26to take another one to prove nothing else happened.
26:28It was at the very beginning, we weren't serious.
26:30Is this true, or is it that excuse
26:32that people have suddenly started to come up with?
26:34Anyway, the most important thing is she's back
26:36and she says the Jeremy Cahill lie detector was right,
26:38which means that she was a liar.
26:40Kay's back!
26:48Hello. Hello.
26:50So we were right?
26:52It was an overlap from when we first got together.
26:54No, no, no. Let's just talk about this.
26:56She told me last time that the test was wrong
26:58and that nothing had happened.
27:00Cos I didn't think that would, you know...
27:02But you see, I'm cynical, because people like you
27:04who come back will say,
27:06It was at the beginning, we weren't serious,
27:08first couple of days. That's just an excuse, isn't it?
27:10It was the beginning. It's not an excuse, it was the beginning.
27:12I admit that I failed the lie detector on the last show,
27:14but it was at the beginning of the relationship.
27:16Lee already knows about it, there was a crossover
27:18between him and another guy.
27:20So you explained to him, since the show happened,
27:22are you back together? We are still together.
27:24How's it going? We're arguing more than ever.
27:26Because you're a liar? No, not because I'm a liar.
27:28But before he came to the show and before you did the lie detector,
27:30did he know about the bloke during the crossover?
27:32Yeah. So then why did he react like that
27:34when it said that you were a liar?
27:36I don't know. So you explained to him and everything was cool?
27:38Yeah. How many times did you have sex with that bloke?
27:40Once, just the once.
27:42Just the once, right at the beginning, yeah? Yeah, at the beginning.
27:44You say, we've done nothing but argue,
27:46he looks at me differently now,
27:48it slide digs the whole time, and Jez, I've come back here,
27:50I've made a mistake, I want to clear my name.
27:52It's just the way he looks at me,
27:54like, I don't know,
27:56he looks at me evil.
27:58Like, he's disappointed. I mean, he did pass the test last time.
28:00Yeah, I know. And you failed, and you had carpet burns.
28:02They're not carpet burns.
28:04What? It's not carpet burns.
28:06They were carpet burns. It's not carpet burns.
28:08You had cracked lips, is that right? I can't remember.
28:10Let's talk about the carpet burn.
28:12Have we still got carpet burns?
28:14Well, what was that, then? It's not a carpet burn,
28:16because you can see where my knee
28:18hit the slab.
28:20At the bottom.
28:22There.
28:24Yeah, that mark there. A couple of zits as well
28:26on your knee.
28:28So it wasn't a carpet burn,
28:30that was... That mark there
28:32is where I hit my leg off the slab.
28:34And then you just made a bruise. Made a bruise.
28:36OK, fair enough. He's paranoid.
28:38At the moment, our relationship's at breaking point.
28:40I am 110%
28:42going to pass the test, and when I do, I want an apology from Lee.
28:44He said, come back today,
28:46he said that we can move on if this works out, yeah?
28:48Yeah. Are you in love with this guy?
28:50I do, I love him to bits. So you're big enough to...
28:52And I give you some credit, you're big enough to come back here and go,
28:54your lie detector was right, I did
28:56not realise that would have
28:58been part of it, so I did that,
29:00but I want to clear my name. I've been with this guy
29:02for nearly a year, I want to be happy with this guy,
29:04I want to make it work, yeah? I want to make it work.
29:06All right, my darling, thanks for coming back in. Lee's on the Jeremy Carl show, that way!
29:08APPLAUSE
29:16Lee,
29:18obviously the first question would be,
29:20why did you buy what she said?
29:22Because I'm a bit confused. She said that
29:24last time, your reaction
29:26was wrong because you knew there was a crossover.
29:28No, what it was,
29:30the last lie detector come back
29:32that she was filing, and she says
29:34one of the questions was wrong. No, it was
29:36the fact that you'd already know about...
29:38She said that you knew that when you
29:40first got with her... That I was with him.
29:42..in the first couple of days, weeks,
29:44there was a crossover and she was sleeping with another
29:46guy. Did you know that? No.
29:48You knew that I was with him.
29:50She told me that she was
29:52meeting him to finish it.
29:54She knew I was already with him.
29:56And that's where the crossover was.
29:58That's where the crossover was.
30:00We already explained that to you.
30:02So let me get this right, when you met her, she was with somebody else?
30:04Yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah. Did you know that?
30:06Yeah, I did, I told her, and nothing's happening until we...
30:08But you slept with her before she finished with him?
30:10No, I didn't. Because we did.
30:12You did? We kissed under my mum's
30:14under my mum's bridge flat.
30:16Under your mum's what? Mum lives in,
30:18like, what? I thought you said flat. No.
30:20Mum used to live in a bridge flat.
30:22She said cat flat. That'd be a tight squeeze, wouldn't it?
30:24How important is today?
30:26A lot of people watching this will go,
30:28why are you back here? Why don't you just wise up?
30:30But you love this woman as well. Yeah, I do, yeah.
30:32You passed
30:34the test. You say,
30:36it's interesting, I don't know how
30:38Kay can expect me to trust her after the last show.
30:40She acts shifty when I try it on with her.
30:42Yeah, that's right. Do you not have sex with her?
30:44When I put my hand on her, she moves my hand off her.
30:46When we're arguing. She did it to me the other day.
30:48I moved her hand off me. Do you not have sex with her anymore?
30:50Well, yeah, I do.
30:52We haven't
30:54done nothing since, like, three days.
30:56Are you going to pass today? Yeah.
30:58Are you? Yeah. And if she passes...
31:00Passes? If she passes...
31:02If she passes today, putting in the thing
31:04about the early whatever,
31:06you two can be happy. Yeah, yeah.
31:08What have we tested this time, tell me, since you moved in together?
31:10Since I moved in together, yeah. How long have you been living...
31:12Oh, no, you're the cameraman. Ha! I see you've been demoted.
31:14LAUGHTER
31:16You all right, Stevie?
31:18How long have you been living together?
31:20Since June. June? June, July time, yeah.
31:22We asked Kay, since you moved in with Lee,
31:24have you passionately kissed anyone else?
31:26Happy with the question? You said no.
31:28Yeah. Happy with the answer? Yeah.
31:30Tess says you're a liar again.
31:32LAUGHTER
31:42Doesn't even hang around to tell me it's wrong.
31:44Lee! Lee!
31:46Lee! Lee, listen to me.
31:48Let me explain something to you.
31:50The best thing of all is that you came back.
31:52Hi, coming back again, mate. No, no, no, listen to me, listen to me.
31:54You know the people that go,
31:56oh, why wouldn't you believe him?
31:58Now you know definitively, failed every single question.
32:00Right? Failed every single question.
32:02And do you know how much of a man I know you are?
32:04Calmly, you're going to walk round there and you're going to tell her goodnight,
32:06God bless you, cos you're better than that.
32:08CHEERING
32:10You know that thing about, like, a good beginner?
32:12That's just an excuse, mate, that's the classic.
32:14CHEERING
32:18Is that it?
32:20You didn't even hang around, you didn't even...
32:22Well, you're not even going to say anything, darling, you failed it.
32:24How have I failed, Lee?
32:26Because you said that last time and then you came up with a pathetic excuse
32:28because you are her bitch, you're a liar.
32:30No, no.
32:32And he deserves better than you by a merry mile.
32:34I want to go home.
32:36Doesn't even hang around, Lee, look at that.
32:38No, darling, mate, that's what she's like, she just walks off,
32:40constantly walks off.
32:42Don't be like that, pal.
32:44Don't be like that, pal.
32:48I can't believe that she doesn't even come and try and...
32:50Have you noticed that she didn't even try and deny it?
32:52Yeah.
32:54No denial at all?
32:56No denial at all.
32:58Just come with me a sec, I just want to look her.
33:00Where is she now?
33:02Honestly, I said, oh, come on, Lee, let's do the Kyle Olympics.
33:06Come on, let's go for a little run, shall we?
33:08That makes sense.
33:10Look at this, look at this.
33:12Oi!
33:14You can run, but you can't hide.
33:16What's wrong with me?
33:18I've gone mad.
33:20You can't keep running away, love,
33:22you told me the test was wrong last time.
33:24I don't care how I failed, I really...
33:26Oh, so the test's wrong again?
33:28I don't know how I'm failing it because I haven't done anything.
33:30Oh, so the first time you shouldn't have failed it?
33:32Yeah, because the first time, yes, because I was with...
33:34But since I've moved in with you, I haven't done...
33:36So what does it sound like?
33:38I don't know.
33:40If I knew the answer to it, I'd...
33:42He heard banging upstairs.
33:44Heard banging?
33:46Heard banging upstairs.
33:48Whatever.
33:50What do you mean, whatever? You haven't even denied it or tried to say sorry.
33:52What's the point?
33:54Because you're a liar, darling.
33:56Here we go, we're going walkies again.
33:58I want to go.
34:00No, nothing more to say, no?
34:02What am I supposed to say?
34:04I don't know how I'm failing.
34:06When I moved in with him, we've been together.
34:08We've been inseparable, near enough.
34:10No, you haven't.
34:12He said it's been recently, and the truth is, right, if I give you...
34:14We've been inseparable.
34:16Since the last lawyer detector,
34:18since the last lawyer detector,
34:20you've been nothing but arguing with me.
34:22No, because you know...
34:24When I first moved in, we haven't been inseparable.
34:26We haven't been inseparable.
34:28I've been with you or with your family members.
34:30So you haven't cheated on him?
34:32No.
34:34Why have you failed then?
34:36I don't know.
34:38Maybe you'll go away and in half an hour you'll remember that in the second hour of meeting...
34:40No, because I haven't done anything.
34:42Do you think I'd come on here if I'm going to humiliate myself twice?
34:44I'm not the sort of person to...
34:46If I'd have done something, I'd have told him.
34:48He knew it.
34:50He knew for the fact that...
34:52Do you think that she lied?
34:54Well, I ain't going to lie, is he?
34:56The lawyer detector ain't going to lie.
34:58I think she's going to talk you round, pal.
35:00I think she's going to talk you round, eh?
35:02Actually, aye.
35:04So it's over?
35:06Done.
35:08APPLAUSE
35:14Sorry, pal.
35:16I will say one thing, and it's very easy when you do this, right?
35:18You can live in hope,
35:20but you can only be happy if someone treats you the way you want to be treated.
35:22And however upsetting it is,
35:24move on, you're better than that.
35:26Give him a round of applause.
35:28After the break on that stage,
35:30we've got Friends at War with all-important lie detector results.
35:34You're friends with Stephanie and Paul.
35:36They're together, you're planning to get married,
35:38and I'm supposed to be the best man at the wedding.
35:40Two weeks ago, rumours started getting around that I was sleeping with her.
35:42Yep.
35:44And you say it's definitely Jordan.
35:46It's Jordan, 100%.
35:48We asked Jordan, very simply, one question.
35:50If you start the rumour about John and Stephanie, you said no.
35:52Why do you say no?
35:54Have you got a jealous partner?
35:56Are you the one that cannot control your jealousy?
36:00If you're 16 or over and you want to be considered for the show,
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36:24CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
36:30Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
36:32Let's get to it. John is here to confront his ex-friend Jordan,
36:34whom he claims has been spreading rumours
36:36that he's been having an affair with his best friend's fiancée.
36:38What?
36:40John says that once the lie detector proves Jordan started these rumours,
36:42he never wants to see him again.
36:44There's lots to this, and I've got to tell you,
36:46I've been reading this for an hour, completely confused.
36:48John is on the Jeremy Carter Show.
36:50That way.
36:52CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
36:58I'm a little bit confused, and it's probably my age.
37:00John, you're 33.
37:02I certainly am, Jeremy.
37:04LAUGHTER
37:06We got one thing clear. You're friends with Stephanie and Paul?
37:08Yeah.
37:10I've been friends with them and Paul for eight years,
37:12and Steph for about a year and a half now.
37:14Right. They're together.
37:16They're together, yeah, planning to get married,
37:18and I'm supposed to be the best man at the wedding.
37:20I said to Stephanie there, with my shoulder to cry on,
37:22two weeks ago, rumours started getting around
37:24that I was sleeping with her.
37:26Yeah, it's just malicious rumours.
37:28Are you? No, I'm not, Jeremy.
37:30Do you want to? No, I don't. Have you ever considered it?
37:32No, I haven't. Have you ever dreamt about it? No.
37:34LAUGHTER
37:36Have you ever fantasised about it? No.
37:38Thought I'd ask. Carry on.
37:40The rumours are going around, and it's just getting to the point
37:42of restraining all the relationships between myself and Paul,
37:44Steph, my brother Sam as well, and Jordan.
37:46I don't even know who he is.
37:48So you say it's definitely Jordan?
37:50It's Jordan, 100%.
37:52Is Jordan your mate? He was an ex-mate of mine.
37:54Oh.
37:56Oh!
37:58He's always had a thing for Stephanie,
38:00made advances, but she's knocked him back,
38:02and this is him, the jealous little idiot,
38:04trying to kick off and call...
38:06So he's had a thing for Stephanie?
38:08Yeah. But if he's got a thing for Stephanie,
38:10why would he say that you're having it with Stephanie?
38:12Because of jealousy, because of the closeness
38:14I'm with Steph and Paul.
38:16Once I know the truth, I want nothing more to do with him.
38:18You think that this lie detector's going to prove that this guy...
38:20I hope so, because at the end of the day,
38:22I'm going to put a line over all of it and I can get on with my life.
38:24He says...
38:26Well, I'm going to pass it with flying colours.
38:28All right, wait till you're asked.
38:30What, your driving test or the lie detector test?
38:34Creepers, creepers. Have you seen the new security guard?
38:36He's still, Steve, he's still looking a bit lost,
38:38the new kid, isn't he?
38:40Well, he might be very good, but he looks a bit awkward to me.
38:42Is he all right?
38:44Are you Welsh?
38:46Oh, lovely.
38:48Whose coat is that at
38:50in the middle of the dance floor, innit?
38:52Steve, can you do a Welsh accent?
38:54No.
38:56I want to hear this, this is brilliant.
38:58Come on, just go...
39:00Lovely, Mr Cale.
39:02Lovely, lovely...
39:04Lovely boy, lovely boy, Winsor Davies.
39:06Say lovely boy, just for me.
39:08I'm not continuing. Say lovely boy.
39:10Just for me, we go back a long way.
39:12Lovely.
39:22Jordan is in love with Steph,
39:24she knocked him back, which is why
39:26he's put malicious rumours around
39:28that I'm having it with her when I'm not,
39:30when I'm her mate and her husband-to-be's
39:32best mate, and I'm going to be the best man.
39:34Yep. Is that true?
39:36Jordan's on the Jeremy Carr Show That Way.
39:42APPLAUSE
39:44You're an absolute liar.
39:46You're an absolute liar from the start off.
39:52What a lovely job, Steve, well done.
39:54I don't know what...
39:56One keeps turning around and telling me it's you, mate,
39:58and all the facts are going to your way.
40:00I mean, the other day he was only telling me it was somebody else, yeah?
40:02Then, you know, you change your story.
40:04And why would you change your story?
40:06Jordan told my team I was told that
40:08Jon and Stephanie were sleeping together,
40:10and that was the main rumour, I told them.
40:12I was told they were having an affair and Paul was on dating sites,
40:14and now I'm being blamed by everybody.
40:16That's correct. Did you try it on with Stephanie?
40:18Never.
40:20Do you fancy Stephanie?
40:22No. And I'll be honest here,
40:24she's not good-looking to me anyway,
40:26and she's not my type either.
40:30Easy, boys. Paul...
40:32Paul's the one that's marrying Stephanie,
40:34he can't be here, I don't know where he is.
40:36I haven't known Jordan that long,
40:38but I don't like him.
40:40I banned him from my house because I'm sure it was him
40:42that set fire to my rubbish.
40:44And that's a lie as well.
40:46What? And that's a lie as well.
40:48As I banned Jordan from my house, the rumours started.
40:50It wouldn't surprise me if he fancied Steph.
40:52I've seen him flirting with her in the pub.
40:54I knew it was Jordan that started these rumours,
40:56and when the test proves he's a liar,
40:58I want him out of our lives for good.
41:00Steph's on the...
41:02Liar.
41:04Is that it?
41:06Shall we do that again, do you think?
41:08Yeah.
41:10Go to the back and I'll bring you on when you're ready.
41:16Oh, hold on.
41:18Sorry, sorry, sorry.
41:20Listen, I'm waiting with baited anticipation.
41:22What's your name? Sam.
41:24Right, deliver a better line than... Liar.
41:26Well, he's pretty much going to the pub
41:28and then trying to get in touch...
41:30No, I don't want to hear you either until I ask you to come on.
41:32Go away.
41:36Do you love Steph?
41:38No.
41:40I'm in a relationship with someone else anyway.
41:42Are you? Where are they? Why did I say that?
41:44Are you? Where are they?
41:46It's a shame you can't be faithful, though, isn't it?
41:48What?
41:50Sorry, what did you say?
41:52Shame you can't be faithful, though, isn't it?
41:54Are you cheating? I did, yeah.
41:56Who with? Someone else.
41:58Let's get Stephanie on the Jeremy Carr Show that way!
42:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
42:04What did you say, Sam?
42:06You're a liar, mate.
42:08What did you say?
42:10She called me a liar.
42:12I said he's not particularly good-looking either and he's a liar.
42:14Oh, well, that was an improvement on you're a liar.
42:16I'm from people...
42:18I'm slightly confused by the whole story.
42:20You're in love with Paul. Yeah.
42:22Have you had sex with John? No.
42:24John's a mate. Has this late...
42:26Lady, sorry. Has this man ever tried it on with you?
42:28Yeah. Tell me.
42:30Give me some detail.
42:32We were down in the pub one night. Yeah.
42:34And it was there for karaoke.
42:36Nice. And...
42:38What were you going to sing?
42:40Erm, can't remember what song.
42:42A Welsh song.
42:44We were seating up on the bar. Oh, lovely.
42:46And I was ordering a drink and Jordan came up.
42:48What? And he was, like, edging up towards...
42:50He was edging up towards you.
42:52You said to us he's a womaniser.
42:54Yeah.
42:56What do you mean by that?
42:58He sees himself as a bit of a woman's man.
43:00So he edged up towards you. Did he touch you?
43:02No, he was just, like, getting closer and closer
43:04and I was just, like, backing away.
43:06Did he say anything? Did he proposition you?
43:08Did he say, let's go do it together, the karaoke?
43:10No, I just backed away.
43:12Let's share a microphone.
43:14Sam is your brother.
43:16Yeah.
43:18This man says these rumours were started by Jordan.
43:20Yeah.
43:22You two believe that to be the case with the lie detector.
43:24Sam, your brother,
43:26makes the point, which is quite a good point,
43:28that these rumours have caused all sorts of problems.
43:30Sam's on the Jeremy Carr Show now. He's coming that way.
43:32CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
43:38You told me...
43:40You come to mine and Stephanie's in Poole's
43:42on the last two Fridays ago. Yep.
43:44So they told you about these two...
43:46Well, about John making up a date in sight.
43:48But then...
43:50We can't hear you, Sam. Take a seat, pal.
43:52Thanks for coming on. Yeah.
43:54No, no, on a serious note, thank you.
43:56That's her brother.
43:58Do you believe that he started these rumours?
44:00I've got higher possibilities now, yeah.
44:02And what have these rumours done?
44:04What has it done to your relationship with Paul?
44:06Has it affected it? Yeah.
44:08Brilliant. How?
44:10Um, cos there's, like, tension in the relationship.
44:12I've read a statement from Paul already.
44:14It's affected you because you...
44:16It's my best mate.
44:18His what? Paul's my best mate.
44:20Yeah. Why would you do that to him?
44:22And I feel like, you know, I'm there for everybody,
44:24like, my best mate and everything,
44:26and I've got somebody I thought I could trust and everything,
44:28trying to... Jordan was a mate of yours.
44:30Let's make the point, weren't you? You were mates.
44:32And that's been destroyed by this?
44:34It has been destroyed, because, you know...
44:36But what if he's innocent? What if this is just the rumour mill?
44:38Then if he's innocent, then I know for a fact
44:40who it is behind it.
44:42Do you believe, Steph, in your heart of hearts,
44:44that Jordan started the rumours because, in your mind,
44:46he tried it on with you or was propositioning you
44:48and you rejected that advance?
44:50Um, yeah, I do believe it.
44:52What about you, Sam? Have you seen...
44:54I mean, Jordan, do you believe that he's capable of this?
44:56Well, possibly. He's cheating on his own missus, so...
44:58Sorry? He's cheating on his own partner.
45:00Oh, yes, we've done that before.
45:02He's got... Well, he can do it easily,
45:04cos he's now trying to focus on some girl from the pub
45:06he met two weeks ago. Another girl from the pub?
45:08He's now sidled up to her, and you're nodding.
45:10You're nodding. Your girlfriend's watching this,
45:12and you're nodding as you're being accused
45:14of trying it on with another bird in the pub, Jordan.
45:16He's messaged her on Facebook, got me to message this girl
45:18to say how he feels and stuff, and he's still with it.
45:20And you did that for him?
45:22Well, he said he likes the girl. I said,
45:24you've got to break up with your fiancée first.
45:26Your fiancée? You've got a fiancée, but there's a girl...
45:30So there's a girl in the pub that you fancy
45:32despite the fact that you're engaged?
45:34Yeah. Yeah, it's not helping me out at all.
45:36What? It doesn't help me out at all.
45:38There's no what? It doesn't help me out at all.
45:40Not really.
45:42What? In the situation.
45:44Oh. So do you want to be with your fiancée?
45:46At the moment, no.
45:50Engaging?
45:52Er, right.
45:54That woman in the pub, how long have you known her?
45:56I've known her for the last, like, six months.
45:58Has anything ever happened? No.
46:00But you'd like it to?
46:02Yeah.
46:04I'll be honest.
46:06It's slightly awkward, but I'm just trying to...
46:08So basically, your fiancée is watching this right now,
46:10you don't want to be with her? I don't know if she's on that one.
46:12What do you mean, she isn't? I don't know.
46:14Don't even go there. Everybody watches.
46:16Don't start.
46:18APPLAUSE
46:24Has she got a job? She has, yeah.
46:26Well, she might not be watching then, there we go.
46:28So you don't want to be with your fiancée?
46:30I mean, you could say it now, she might not even watch it.
46:32You want to be with the bird in the pub? Yeah.
46:34AUDIENCE GROANS
46:36Does that not also prove that you were trying it on with Stephanie,
46:38which is the point that you made, Steph?
46:40Did you fancy Stephanie at one point? No, never.
46:42What were you doing towards her in the pub, then?
46:44Getting closer and closer, and she was getting away from you,
46:46not at all. Well, you did.
46:48She paints a picture of how he sort of moved towards her,
46:50and she had to keep back. Yeah, so on the bar,
46:52he kept on going towards her like this,
46:54and she kept edging away from him, and he kept on going closer.
46:56If you carried on, he'd have fallen off the end.
46:58LAUGHTER
47:00Right, anyway, so you don't want to be with Stephanie,
47:02but you don't want to be with your bird? No.
47:04You want to be with the woman in the pub? Yeah.
47:06Are you sure there isn't anyone in the audience you want to swan in?
47:08No, there isn't, no.
47:10LAUGHTER
47:12Anyway, lie detector, Steph,
47:14this has affected your relationship,
47:16and I accept that, and we asked Jordan,
47:18very simply, one question,
47:20did you start the rumour about John and Stephanie?
47:22You said no. Why did you say no? Because I was telling the truth.
47:24That says he was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
47:26APPLAUSE
47:30Should have believed me in the first place.
47:34I think you'll find that the big and proper thing to do
47:36is to apologise to the man, isn't it?
47:40APPLAUSE
47:42Do you understand what I'm having to do about that?
47:44Yeah.
47:46OK. I do understand, yeah.
47:48All right, because all I need is to get to the bottom, mate.
47:50Yeah. Because it's literally ripping my friendships apart, mate.
47:52He hasn't done it.
47:54Are you going to apologise to him, then? OK.
47:56Yeah. Sorry, Jordan. Yeah?
47:58Well, he's saying it's the...
48:00He said he made up the rumour about the whole, um...
48:02He didn't start the rumour.
48:04He has, sadly, on national television,
48:06admitted to his fiancée. He doesn't want to be with her,
48:08but that's part of the day.
48:10It's about a dating type thing.
48:12He said that Jon made up, even though I confronted Steph's unfair fiancée.
48:14He passed, mate. I can't...
48:16You know, I can only do what I can do.
48:18I would suspect one thing might be a good idea.
48:20Call me boring and old-fashioned. This will go out quite soon.
48:22I'll get in the taxi and get home and tell my girlfriend
48:24I don't want to be with her before you get off with the bird in the pub,
48:26cos it's going to go out. Thank you very much.
48:28You two get out, though. Go. Goodbye.
48:30APPLAUSE
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