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00:00He's been an unbelievable lieutenant governor, Mark Robinson.
00:06This is Martin Luther King on steroids.
00:10I think you're better than Martin Luther King.
00:12I think you are Martin Luther King times two.
00:16Mark Robinson, he's out there, he's fighting.
00:19He's fighting.
00:20He's a great one.
00:22I want to thank a very good man, and he's in there fighting.
00:26He's fighting, and we know he's a fighter.
00:28The next governor of North Carolina, Mark Robinson.
00:34Once Republicans elected Donald Trump, the sort of pearl clutching over things like porn,
00:44infidelity, threats of violence, I mean, Trump, Republican Party already said that was all
00:49fine for Trump, and so the fact that he is just trafficking in the same thing, he feels
00:56like he has complete immunity, and he does.
00:59The Republican Party has let people, he's not the first, he's not the last, get away
01:04with this stuff.
01:05The problem is not just for down ballot, it's up ballot.
01:08So Democrats haven't won North Carolina since 2008, as you know.
01:12They want it so bad they can taste it, and what they are hoping is that this gubernatorial
01:18race has an up ballot effect, and with stuff like this over and over and over again, I
01:23think they'll get their wish, and of course he's not going to drop out, because with Trump
01:29and the right, Trump means never having to say I'm sorry.
01:32Yeah, but he doesn't have to say he's sorry, he just needs to get out of the damn race.
01:36He doesn't have to apologize, he just needs to get out of the race.
01:38That's it.
01:39Just get out of the race.
01:40No, you have created a party that doubles down, and doubles down, and doubles down.
01:44He's an elected official that has shown a lot of affinity for Nazis.
01:50He should say that he's sorry.
01:51See, that's the thing.
01:52He won't.
01:53He's an elected official that has power in his state, that has shown, that's cozied up
01:57to Nazis, that he wanted to bring slavery back.
01:59There should be shame.
02:00Has Trump apologized?
02:01But I'm just saying, that's part of what we're talking about.
02:04I understand that point from an emotional perspective, but I'm a strategist.
02:08I just like to win, that's part of the job.
02:10This guy's not going to help Republicans win that seat.
02:12But Trayvon, that is the point.
02:14I don't see in evidence Republicans wanting to win, starting with Trump.
02:18I mean, the stuff he is doing is repelling the very voters he will need.
02:22So I don't think winning anymore is the road map.
02:25Trump is pulling the best he's ever pulled his entire political career at this moment.
02:30I take that point.
02:31But Trump is, to his point.
02:33Ryan, what you were talking about is his favorability rating.
02:35No, his polling.
02:36New York Times did a poll yesterday, a tied poll, nationally.
02:39In comparison to other re-elections.
02:40Do you know there are seven swing states where this election will be decided?
02:43But it's not a national election.
02:44Here's the issue about North Carolina.
02:45Seven swing states.
02:46That's not how that works.
02:47Here's the issue about North Carolina.
02:48North Carolina is in play.
02:50Yes.
02:51It is actually in play.
02:52Yes.
02:53And this is actually one of the reasons.
02:54I don't know if I would agree with it being in play.
02:57It's more competitive, and I will give the vice president some credit of making the state
03:01more competitive.
03:02I don't know if the goal is to necessarily win the state.
03:05What's the difference between more competitive and in play?
03:06I mean, that is the definition.
03:07I'm going to get to the point.
03:09It's more competitive, and I think a part of the Democratic strategy is to force the
03:12Trump campaign to spend more resources there, versus in a state like Pennsylvania, which
03:16is a must win for both of those candidates if they want to get to 270.
03:20That's what I think the strategy is.
03:21And also, I would sit there and say of early voting, it is much better for Republicans.
03:25At every swing state, mind you, for early voting, for early mail-in requests, Republicans
03:30are doing far better than they did in 2020, percentage-wise.
03:33Trump could also say to Mark Robinson, get out of the race.
03:36And guess what?
03:37That is not happening either.
03:39His campaign, according to our reporting, there's no pressure, according to our reporting,
03:43about the Trump campaign pushing him.
03:46He did pull the vice president off of an election.
03:48But if I make a point to this point.
03:50Hold on one second.
03:51So, you're saying...
03:52Did he not?
03:53Did he not?
03:54He pulled J.D. Bantz off an event.
03:55Did Trump say that Mark Robinson should get off the ballot?
03:58The campaign said that.
03:59I don't know whether they had a private conversation or not.
04:01I have no clue.
04:02But they did pull the vice president off of an event with him.
04:05That is not the same thing as Trump saying, which he very well can say.
04:08That's not a full-fledged endorsement either.
04:10And...
04:11Did you hear all the clips?
04:12Those were like within the last month.
04:13Yeah, that was before...
04:14That's insane.
04:15Wait a minute.
04:16That's before this stuff came out.
04:17That's not the same thing at all.
04:18That is not the same thing at all.
04:19Are you guys doubting whether or not...
04:20Wait a second.
04:21Wait a second.
04:22No, no, no.
04:23That's not...
04:24That was before the Nude Africa porn site, but it was after the reports that he frequented
04:30porn locations in South Carolina.
04:32It was after all those other wild statements.
04:35It was after the stuff that he said about Martin Luther King.
04:37I get that.
04:38It was after the stuff that he said about Nazis.
04:40I mean, it was after all of that.
04:41But there are multiple...
04:42I'm not excusing the veracity of Mark Robinson's claims.
04:46I've clearly stated that I would have preferred someone else.
04:49My point is, the fact that, to Ryan's point, that Trump is appearing to distance himself
04:54from the guy, whether or not Trump comes out and say, look, you need to get out of the
04:57race, I have no clue.
04:58But I know there are a whole lot of Republicans in North Carolina that are saying, we want
05:01to win this, and he's probably not the best person to help us win.
05:04Would you want somebody else because you want to win, or because you're uncomfortable with
05:07a Nazi in your party?
05:08I would want someone else who represents conservative values, and I don't think that's Mark Robinson.
05:11He already said he wanted someone else because he would win.
05:13And that's the point I wanted to speak to.
05:14You said people should feel ashamed.
05:16And I have to say, I'm not a strategist.
05:17I'm not a journalist.
05:18And I would say I represent more of the American people and how we really think.
05:21And, like, we should feel bad if we say we're Nazis.
05:24We should feel bad if we say we like to watch 14-year-old girls in the shower.
05:28We should feel bad if we say people should be killed.
05:31We should feel bad if we say women shouldn't have the vote.
05:33How did your party, from a strategy position, allow itself to get to a point where it doesn't
05:39matter?
05:40There's no consequences.
05:41There's no consequences.
05:42And we need to have consequences in this event.
05:43But there was no consequences for Bill Clinton when he was credibly accused of rape several
05:47times.
05:48And several female groups endorsed him and doubled down on it.
05:51There was no consequences for Keith Ellison when he was accused twice of domestic abuse
05:55before he ran for attorney general.
05:57And Tim Maltz defended him.
05:58There is multiple cases of Democrats sitting there and doing something bad, and the party
06:02stands by them.
06:03That happens a lot.
06:04So you're saying that you're going to hold yourself to a safe channel?
06:05Well, no.
06:06It's a real question.
06:07It probably should not happen.
06:08No.
06:09But that's across the board, right?
06:10It can't just be from one side.
06:11Chair Michael, hang on a second.
06:14We have one conversation at the table, not several side conversations.
06:17Go ahead.
06:19What was the question?
06:20Sorry.
06:21You are holding your own party to the same standard that you say is wrong that the Democrats
06:25held their candidates to.
06:26I said right in the get-go, he should drop out.
06:28I said it right when I first walked in.
06:30I said he should drop out.
06:31That is the truth.
06:32I do feel that way.
06:33How?
06:34And not just because of the porn stuff.
06:35There are many, many, many things he has said over time that I am very uncomfortable with.
06:39Nonetheless, and still.
06:40Well, let's not pretend it's moral courage to pull the VP from an event hours after all
06:46of this stuff came out when you could have simply said, this is not my guy, this doesn't
06:50represent us, and he can't win.
06:52I mean, there's no moral courage to do any of that.
06:55And to speak to —
06:56We're talking about should as if there's a world out there in which we could live in.
06:59That world is gone.
07:00It's gone.
07:01We're going to leave it right there.
07:02Well, we should certainly get back to it.
07:03Would you agree with me on that?
07:04We are going to leave it there for now.