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00:00Mr. Daniyal, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:02Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:04Sir, thank you very much for your time.
00:06Mr. Atif is with us.
00:08Mr. Atif, you might say that
00:10he is our political opponent.
00:12But Mr. Kamran, Mr. Murtaza
00:14just told us in our program
00:16just 5-10 minutes ago
00:18that the night when
00:20and he said, I repeat,
00:22I am saying this very responsibly.
00:24He said that the morning
00:26when the meeting was called at 11
00:28that night at 2
00:30was the first time we had a candidate.
00:32That is, 9 hours ago.
00:34He is not making an accusation.
00:36Atif Khan is not criticizing.
00:38Kamran Murtaza himself is saying
00:40that the night at 2 was the first time
00:42I had a candidate and the meeting was at 11.
00:44What was the reason for this?
00:46Thank you for having me in the show.
00:48Sir.
00:50The thing you were saying
00:52is that there is a practice
00:54and procedure that is adopted
00:56and which has been adopted over the years
00:58that this procedure is always
01:00that from the government
01:02when a bill is drafted
01:04or a resolution comes
01:06then it is drafted first
01:08it is made
01:10after that all its aspects
01:12are seen from the law division
01:14after that
01:16when all the formalities
01:18are completed
01:20then what we did this time
01:22that the committee
01:24had to be presented
01:26before the committee
01:28Mr. Mulana and his people
01:30had a discussion
01:32on some points
01:34they had objections
01:36and they agreed to some
01:38so we tried
01:40not to put them on this side
01:42at this time
01:44their objections were addressed
01:46to a large extent
01:48and then when we put them in the committee
01:50we told the committee
01:52what were the points
01:54in which the amendment is needed
01:56and after the amendment
01:58we will present this amendment
02:00when
02:02your agreement was not made
02:04then we had two options
02:06we had the option
02:08that we
02:10complete the number somehow
02:12and put pressure
02:14or we strategically
02:16without Mr. Mulana
02:18and without that thing we don't want to go
02:20we can't even go
02:22frankly
02:24we can't even go
02:26we have no choice
02:28if you want to complete the number
02:30then we can easily complete the number
02:32minus Mr. Mulana
02:34yes yes yes
02:36I told you
02:38that we can complete the vote
02:40but the issue is
02:42when the amendment is coming
02:44and when the amendment is coming
02:46then Mr. Mulana's presence
02:48agreeing to it
02:50signing it
02:52agreeing to it
02:54and agreeing to the people of his community
02:56this was very important
02:58because when the thing
03:00which will be implemented in all the provinces
03:02or in all
03:04if Mr. Mulana's community
03:06doesn't agree to it
03:08then this is not right
03:10second thing is that
03:12all the amendments
03:14there is nothing
03:16that
03:18let's talk about the content
03:20let's talk about the content
03:22but
03:24let's talk about the content
03:26but
03:28because of whatever reason
03:30for the first time
03:32the amendment was passed at 2 am
03:34then you could have made the meeting 4 days ahead
03:36that now this is the amendment
03:38we will do it by next week
03:40what was the hurry
03:42to take the amendment at 2 am
03:44the constitution of Pakistan is changing
03:46the constitution
03:48and that too for 9 hours
03:50Mr. Mulana you have good relations with him
03:52no Mr. Haseeb
03:54the plan was
03:56that
03:58because there were a lot of talks with Mr. Mulana
04:00and things were told to him
04:02that this is correct
04:04these changes are going to happen
04:06whether you agree or not
04:08on some things his community
04:10agreed to it
04:12then it was decided
04:14that you will present it
04:16on the same day
04:18you will keep it in front of the committee
04:20after all the people of the community
04:22have consensus on it
04:24you will keep it with the cabinet
04:26and after the cabinet
04:28you will bring it for voting
04:30when Mr. Mulana did not agree on some things
04:32or the procedure was
04:34that it should be given more time
04:36then we decided
04:38that instead of forcing
04:40or making them
04:42or taking more time
04:44let it give it time
04:46we will re-strategize
04:48and
04:50discuss it
04:52and
04:54bring it back
04:56Mr. Dhaniyal, please explain
04:58how do people do it
05:00technically people are not completing it on paper
05:02how do they complete it
05:04by forcing
05:06Mr. Badami interrupted
05:08by forcing
05:10not by forcing
05:12there are two statements in Pakistan
05:14one is
05:16burn it down
05:18set fire to Pakistan
05:20break Pakistan
05:22do civil disobedience in Pakistan
05:24and against Pakistan
05:26break it
05:28and the second statement is
05:30take Pakistan forward
05:32make Pakistan an Asian tiger
05:34so now people have to decide
05:36between hatred
05:38or progressive
05:40people had to vote on this
05:42and voted according to their conscience
05:44and even today
05:46if they would have voted
05:48they would not have been held under 63A
05:50because if they would have voted
05:5263A would have been enforced
05:54so they would not have been held under 63A
05:56and they would have flown away
05:58no, no, they don't fly
06:00this is neither a money bill
06:02nor
06:04finance bill
06:06they don't fly
06:08finance bill
06:10Mr. Adhania
06:12if you give me two minutes
06:14Mr. Atif
06:16if people would have been complete
06:18they would have gone in your direction
06:20how many people do you think
06:22how many people do you think
06:24could have gone in your direction
06:26the clear cut thing is
06:286-7 people
06:30were missing
06:32one of them
06:34did a press conference
06:36he took me with him
06:38you must be getting news
06:40that someone's family
06:42what should I say
06:44wife, children
06:46brother
06:48by kidnapping them
06:50or by making cases
06:52or like they said
06:54if we put more pressure
06:56they would have completed
06:58so they had to put pressure
07:00where were the values
07:02where were the principles
07:04this was it
07:06Mr. Atif, if there is a meaningful
07:08discussion, would you like to
07:10be a part of it
07:12or you say
07:14we don't want to be a part of it
07:16Mr. Badami
07:18what you were showing
07:20that this is for the people
07:22and because
07:24there is a lot of pressure on the judiciary
07:26there are 62,000 cases in the High Court
07:28in the lower judiciary
07:30Supreme Court
07:32who wouldn't want
07:34we ourselves
07:36my personal cases
07:38your personal cases
07:40the common man, the poor man
07:42have a lot of pain
07:44if there are any reforms in the judiciary
07:46from which the common man gets benefit
07:48we will definitely support it
07:50but if from your entire exercise
07:52we are getting to know
07:54that you are just one person
07:56you are just one person
07:58out of hatred
08:00or out of fear
08:02you are playing with the whole country
08:04then how can we agree with it
08:06and they said
08:08even then
08:109 hours ago
08:12MQM
08:14gave a speech
08:16on the same day
08:18Farooq Sattar
08:20he said that we haven't been shown
08:22they are their allies
08:24if we haven't been shown
08:26then we won't come into it
08:28but if this is the situation
08:30these are the laws
08:32and reforming in the constitution
08:34not even changing a simple law
08:36reforming in the constitution
08:38which was happening after a long time
08:40and I don't know how long it will be
08:42it's not a simple thing