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00:00So in our takeaways from monday night football to finish out week number two
00:04Are there any glaring issues that we think will plague either organization?
00:09atlanta or philadelphia for the remainder of
00:122024 let's start with the falcons from a positive perspective joe. They lost game number one
00:19Kirk cousins atlanta debut
00:21They were the odds-on favorites entering the year in the nfc south at minus 140
00:25Expected to win the division rather easily be a double-digit team an offense that was supposed to be prolific
00:32Then the 36 year old quarterback in his first year with a new team coming off a torn achilles
00:38Did not look good week one the offense put up 10 points against the steelers
00:42They lost outright at home as a four and a half point favorite and they were booked as a five and a half point
00:48Favorite on the road against an eagles team that had the second best price entering last night to win the nfc
00:55It seemed as though the falcons were about to start in a winless hole
00:58Oh and two were the saints and the bucks had surprised some and looked highly impressive in the opening two weekends
01:05Starting to and oh and then the final minute and 30 seconds of the game happened atlanta comes from behind
01:12To steal a victory on the road in philadelphia
01:16How has your vantage point then joe change for the falcons after only one night in philly?
01:22So the uh, I I gotta say what they signed cousins and mooney in free agency
01:28And that was kind of their big moves right to kind of take this offense to a different level
01:33Well, we all know under arthur smith. They they wanted to be a run first offense
01:40The problem was once you took the run away from them. They had no quarterback
01:45They had nothing else to lean back on when you look at how they ran that offense last night
01:51Uh, that is the atlanta falcons. That's exactly what they have been trying to do for the last three years
01:57They rushed for 152 yards
02:00Bijan, robinson why they went out and drafted him so high 97 yards 14 carries
02:05Algiers was also added 53 on nine carries
02:09And that is why you went out and signed kurt cousins
02:13That is there who this atlanta team is run the ball
02:17Effectively force defenses to stop the run and allow that to open up things downfield for mooney and others
02:24Uh, that is a good very good offense there with atlanta the best we've seen them have in a while
02:31Troy acheman discussed it on the broadcast
02:33This is a great run blocking offensive line that prides themselves on doing that as a unit
02:39They were just trailing from the very start against a stout steelers team in week one
02:44Never really got the opportunity to put that on display and you're right with bijan robinson
02:50122 scrimmage yards yesterday
02:5214 carries for 97 yards well over his rushing plus receiving yards profit 102 and a hook
02:58Same story for saquon barkley who had a buck 16 in terms of his scrimmage yards as well 95 on the ground
03:0621 through the receiving game as well
03:09But the costly drop on that final offensive possession for philadelphia will stick in the craw
03:15He should have had a touchdown was just down inches prior to the goal line
03:19So the tush push allowed jalen hurts to find the end zone hurts 85 yards
03:24On the ground and a lot has been made of kurt cousins in prime time now after the victory last night's 13 and 20
03:31Straight up in his career. He's 4 and 10 in monday night football specifically
03:36But as we said joe, and I thought it was a great point in 2022 with the vikings leading minnesota to an nfc north championship
03:42He had eight game-winning drives that led the national football league
03:46And he was the orchestrator of it all in those 65 seconds to bring atlanta down the field and to find drake london
03:53For that game winning score in part of what atlanta did last night
03:57They only allowed one sack to their hobbled kirk cousins who still does not look 100 healthy, but better last night
04:03They had a buck 52 on the ground 5.4 yards per pop the eagles allowed
04:08163 yards against the packers in sao paulo, okay
04:12Field conditions weren't great people were slipping and sliding all friday night long in that brazilian opener
04:17But still nearly eight yards per carry for green bay
04:21The eagles had the second worst passing defense in the nfl a season ago
04:25Joe the rushing defense not off to a great start eighth worst around the national football league and for me
04:31That could be the issue for philly moving forward
04:346.7 yards a rush that is dead last in the nfl when it comes to rushing defense
04:42It's very hard to win games
04:44If you are giving up nearly seven yards every time they run the ball and that is what the eagles defense has done through two
04:51games
04:52That's where I need to see the improvement. I think the offense will be fine
04:56But that defense better show us something over the next couple of weeks here ben
05:00The birds throw the favorites at minus 140 to win the nfc east we know the curse or the trend whatever you want to call it
05:06No repeat champions since 04
05:09It is the only division of the eight in football that being the nfc east without an unbeaten
05:15Perfect two and oh team after two weeks plenty more around the nfl following week two next
05:22Last night was a big victory for the atlanta falcons coming back when everybody thought they were about to start oh and two
05:29In the nfc south to win outright as a five and a half point underdog
05:33In philadelphia over the eagles if they had started out winless
05:37They would be at the bottom of the nfc south looking up at the saints and the bucks
05:42Both off to a perfect unbeaten two and oh start despite being the odds on favorites to win the division
05:49The saints were still the favorites following week two the bucks still have a slightly better price than that of the dirty birds
05:54Also following week two
05:56But at least they're not in the cellar of the division
05:59alongside the carolina panthers a shocking move yesterday in a huge development
06:06In charlotte after only two weeks the number one overall selection from 2023
06:12Bryce young is now going to be on the bench. Andy. Dalton is the new starting quarterback in
06:19Carolina you send the number one overall pick
06:22To the bench and you elevate the veteran dalton to become your starting quarterback
06:27The panthers a five and a half point road underdog in las vegas for week. Number three a disastrous
06:33winless oh and to start for carolina joe after being the worst team in the national football league a season ago at
06:412 and 15. What was your reaction to dave canales's decision to bench bryce young yesterday?
06:49Am I shocked that they did it?
06:52No, am I shocked? Maybe they did it after two games
06:56From the outside looking in ben. It may seem like what are you guys doing here?
07:00Isn't this your franchise quarterback? Aren't you you know ride or die with them when you look at it ben through two starts this year
07:08Bryce young is the one quarterback that has faced the least amount of pressure of any starting quarterback in the nfl
07:17And yet he's only thrown for 84 yards on 26 pass attempts
07:23And when I tell you most of those past attempts weren't even close
07:27There is clearly something broken here. And I think if the coach
07:32Legit thinks that the best thing for this guy to do is kind of sit down
07:36Because he's obviously in his own head at this point ben. I mean he's been it since he got into the league
07:42He has been the most scrutinized
07:44Uh top draft pick that we've seen in a very very long time
07:47You know mentally it's got to take its toll and I think if canales figures the best thing that can happen is let
07:53Dalton let the vet get in here get some snaps
07:56Let him take the pressure off and kind of regroup and we'll take it from there
08:00They're not planning on winning a super bowl. That was never what was in the cards
08:04But if you're going to lose him mentally
08:07Then you got to get him off the field
08:09Ben, you're not going to help this kid if you keep them out there the way you've been doing it
08:14So that's the interesting component of this all you can understand from dave canales's perspective
08:20And as we heard from espn's adam shepherd dave canales's first big boy decision is what one source
08:27Told him gm. Dan morgan probably involved in this as well
08:32But a lot that happens in carolina comes from the very top in their temperamental owner
08:38David tepper who many have speculated is the reason carolina selected bryce young first overall in favor of cj
08:46Stroud despite maybe what head coach frank reich wanted to do at the time in april of 2023
08:53That will be revisionist history in a documentary. I am sure at some point
08:59But with that being said you can understand why a rookie head coach would go and trust a veteran
09:06As he is trying to show his team listen, I understand I want confidence in this locker room
09:11I want us to be competitive
09:13I want us to win football games and dalton might present carolina's best opportunity of doing that
09:19I'll tell you this i'm gonna bet the panthers plus five and a half on the road in vegas on sunday afternoon
09:25It just feels like that spot, of course
09:29But now let's talk about the number one overall pick in 2023
09:33Joe, I had no issue with carolina selecting bryce young in favor of cj stroud at the time despite his stature
09:41He was a heisman trophy winning quarterback at alabama in 2021
09:45He was one of the most successful college qbs. We had seen in quite some time
09:51He looks like a shell of his former self
09:54But bryce young in his last 12 games dating back to the middle of his rookie season has thrown for less than 200 yards
10:0211 of those 12 games he threw for 84 yards 84
10:06Only against the bolts on sunday. He has made 18 career starts
10:11He has 11 touchdowns to only 13 interceptions. He only is thrown for more than 250
10:17Yards one single time
10:20It was week 16 last year against green bay when he threw for 312 and two touchdowns
10:25It was closer than expected
10:26But carolina still came up on the losing end all to say it has been a disaster
10:32To start bryce young's career in carolina in the national football league. So let me ask you about his career
10:39Is it done with the panthers? Is he going to be a trade piece?
10:43Are they moving on from bryce young permanently with this move to change quarterbacks entering week three?
10:49Well, I I think as crazy as this has been his future with carolina is going to be dependent on what we get
10:58from andy dalton
10:59Because I think what happens by inserting dalton is now you're going to figure out is this a bryce young problem
11:06Or is this coaching offense and the players they have are they the problem because if andy dalton doesn't have any more success
11:14Than what that offense had with bryce young then we've got to take a step back in and go
11:19Is this really a bryce young problem or is this offense can alice put in is it awful?
11:25So I do think at the very least over the next couple of weeks
11:29We're going to learn about is this a schematic issue? Are these players awful?
11:34Uh, or is it bryce young?
11:36I think that's what andy dalton will let us know and if this offense all of a sudden starts putting up points
11:42And starts winning games, then I think that spells the end of bryce young in carolina and maybe the nfl
11:49And listen hand up on our season preview pick six
11:53I said the panthers to go over five and a half expecting better from bryce young under the offensive line
11:59That is dave canales could be a good bet six seven wins not a playoff team
12:04Not a conference or division contender in the nfc south
12:08It's been anything but in carolina now has an updated win total of three and a half and frankly out of the performances
12:15In the first two weeks, i'm not sure how they even get there to go winless. It's a 19 to one
12:22Price and joe we talk about this often through the odds from the handicapping perspective
12:27An underdog can be an underdog that we expect to see improvement and growth year over year if they kept games closer
12:34Than we maybe expected the previous season or earlier in the campaign
12:39For instance the arizona cardinals last year an underdog like carolina in all 17 games in 2023
12:45They were nine and eight against the spread they cover week one in buffalo
12:49Of course, they blow out the rams week number two carolina's been the opposite of that for 11 and 2
12:55Ats as an underdog in all 17 games last season. Oh and two
13:01Against the spread and in a large large way
13:04this year in
13:062024 so you just mentioned if bryce young's future could be determined by the results that the red rocket andy dalton
13:13Puts on the gridiron. Will it look better from the very start week three in las vegas?
13:20Uh, well, I well the market certainly thought so ben, uh, because you had mentioned it, uh, that was six and a half
13:26It's now five and a half. Uh, once the news came out, you know what?
13:30Also got also got steamed the total. Uh, the total was in the 30s
13:35I think we're at the 41 41 and a half right now. I think it was 38 38 and a half
13:41Uh, so the minute that bryce young was pulled the market was like hell
13:46Yeah, give me a give me a panthers offense with the red rocket and give me the over in points
13:51There are some very winnable games coming up ben on their schedule
13:56So again, I think the future of bryce young depends on what this team does over the next few weeks
14:02Yeah, we shall see listen. It is not a good situation
14:07In carolina when you look at the odds for the panthers to win a super bowl. They have the longest price by more than
14:15200 bucks they are
14:18700 to 1 right now. The broncos have the second longest number at
14:24500 to 1 it is not an optimistic picture for carolina for bryce young frankly even andy dalton
14:31Entering week number three other big news
14:35Mainly injury related around the national football league following two weeks next
14:41Part of the sad reality of the national football league your season outlook and your offseason
14:47Expectations can be derailed
14:49Only two weeks into the nfl
14:52Season carolina makes the change at quarterback bryce young now on the bench andy dalton the starter
14:58Is it enough for a team that's win total has dropped by two?
15:01From five and a half before the year got started now to a live three and a half to maybe find some more winning ways
15:07In charlotte, they've got two victories since the beginning of last season and joe entering this year
15:14Everybody thought if the rams could remain healthy with a veteran quarterback matthew stafford much like they did in 2023
15:21Los angeles would be right back into the postseason. They've been the opposite of healthy
15:26They have been heavily injured from the very start on the offensive line
15:31And in the wide receiver room puka nikua already on the injured reserve
15:35And it seems as though cooper cup might be joining him exiting the blowout in arizona on sunday afternoon
15:42with a ankle injury
15:44He is expected to be placed on the ir as well as db. Josh johnson the third and starting offensive guard
15:52Jonah, jackson, it could not be much worse in la than it is
15:56And frankly joe it's starting to look like the 2022 super bowl hangover year following that lombardi trophy in 2021
16:05I mean it's it kind of it's so unfortunate too, right because you don't know how many more years of matt stafford
16:11You're going to be able to squeeze out, uh there and you've you know
16:14You've got the quarterback that you want but you know his top two targets gone, right?
16:20You mentioned multiple weeks cooper cup now what a shock in a walking boot after getting tackled
16:26We thought they'd be able to weather the nikua injury because they had cooper cup and now they don't have either
16:33Uh, I think they only had one or two
16:36Offensive linemen, uh that actually finished the game that were starters jonah jackson and kevin dotson everybody else
16:43It's the even the backups to the backup
16:46Uh are getting hurt there tyler higby by the way still on the physically on the perform list. He's uh,
16:52Rehab at a torn acl they it's just I don't know how the rams are going to overcome
16:58Especially defensively what we just watched the cardinals do to them the seahawks are significantly improved from a year ago
17:06How did they finish anything other than dead last in this division is beyond me bet
17:11You know, it's really difficult joe
17:13You mentioned the offensive line injuries rob havenstein starting right tackle hasn't played this year on the other side joe
17:20No boom started the game against detroit did not play last week maybe is on his way back
17:26But it's disastrous again a 5 and 12 record in
17:302022 matthew stafford the main injury cooper cup on injured reserve aaron donald
17:36Was even banked up through most of that year as well
17:40Aaron donald is no longer there the rams have the third worst rushing defense in the nfl at this point
17:46They've been getting it handed to them in their first two games and it was supposed to be hey at least a home opener
17:53Yeah against the san francisco 49ers on sunday, but still a home opener inside sofi stadium for the first time
18:01This year does not look overly optimistic
18:04We'll talk about that game and the injuries that are front and center in the main narrative entering sunday afternoon in the city
18:11Of angels, but joe in 2022 with all the injuries
18:14We saw baker mayfield in a rams uniform in 2022
18:18The rams were 5 and 12. It is the worst record ever for a team defending a super bowl crown
18:25And sure we had one additional game for the first time of that super bowl hangover
18:30But it was the worst super bowl hangover
18:32We had seen in the history of the national football the every other reigning super bowl champ had at least won six games
18:39The rams were just 5 and 12. So again, the rams will be at home
18:44Week three winless looking for their first
18:48Maybe the only good news for the rams is they're a hefty underdog and we've seen heavy underdogs this year
18:53Perform very well underdogs have at least six points now eight and oh against the number following week two
19:00The rams are in that category getting seven and a half against san francisco in the 49ers
19:05Not exactly your bill of health entering week number three christian mccaffrey on injured reserve
19:11And debo samuel might be joining him an injured calf that has been reported debo is going to miss at least a few weeks for
19:19San francisco, so the niners in the rams who's even going to be out there on sunday
19:25All right, it's a great question
19:27But and this is usually a pretty good rivalry ben if uh memory serves me right over the last couple of uh
19:34Years at least when you had a healthy stafford
19:36Anyway, uh, you know, they usually go toe to toe but in I the best shot for the rams is number one
19:44I got to see better
19:46Uh defensively than what we got against arizona. I mean in the first seven minutes you were down 21 nothing
19:51You had no answer for marvin harrison jr
19:54The game was a blowout from the start and that's not great
19:58Uh, and that has nothing to do with the injuries offensively or anything else defensively
20:02They couldn't stop a nosebleed. Uh, I think that
20:06All these injuries on the offensive line you are going to get blown out by the 49ers
20:11I don't care what shape they're in if you can't stop anybody and I think defensively
20:17Much more concerning for the rams from what we just saw than anything else right now
20:22Again, you look at the rams third worst rushing defense in the nfl only carolina
20:27Oh boy, that's gonna be tough all year long regardless of who the qb is and indianapolis who gave up more than 300 to green bay
20:35This past weekend when matt lafleur said listen, we got malik willis. We're establishing
20:41The run those are the two worst rushing defenses. The rams have given up a buck 97 per game
20:47231 in week two against arizona
20:51I know that devo samuel's not going to be there brendan. Iuke needs to be better
20:55He's been off to a very slow start after getting paid late in the off season right before the year got started
21:01Give me jordan morris when the rushing yards props come out for that sunday afternoon
21:06contest, of course
21:08miami
21:09Dealing with some quarterback concerns the health of tuatunga viloa skyler thompson who has made
21:15At least a couple of starts in his nfl career. So the dolphins are signing former pro bowl
21:21We say that with legitimate, uh with legitimacy, but of course he wasn't really the pro bowl guy
21:26It was lamar jackson regardless pro bowl quarterback snoop huntley. Tyler huntley making his way to miami a little bit of depth in the quarterback room
21:35Yeah, can you hear can you hear that the parade outside ben down by me you hear I mean they are
21:41Celebrating in the streets of my no, actually nobody's celebrating. Nobody cares. Uh, it's going to be a long season for the miami dolphins
21:50Listen I don't know about snoop huntley and mike, but daniel's offensive system
21:53It's not exactly the same offensive system that he was good at in
21:58Baltimore plenty more on the early line coming your way next so we're two weeks into this 2024
22:03National football league regular season, of course, we have reactions. Of course, we have changed our evaluation
22:10In some of the spots for teams around the nfl, but we don't want to overreact, right?
22:15We want to be based in what we do here
22:17So we look at the odds and see where the markets have adapted after two weeks the chiefs
22:24Remain the short favorites to win super bowl 59
22:27As they are off to a perfect and undefeated
22:30Start two and oh as donnie coined yesterday joe here on the early line
22:35They're two and oh by a toe in both isaiah
22:38Likely is being a little bit too far out of the end zone in week number one in the season debut
22:43In the toe of harrison butker delivering the 51 yard field goal and game winner for kc
22:50Because of a past interference call against cincinnati on sunday plus 490 for the chiefs
22:55But the story throughout much of the offseason preseason training camp even early in week
23:00Number one was san francisco being right there neck and neck with kansas city. In fact, it points in the offseason
23:07San francisco was the favorite despite losing to kansas city in las vegas despite dropping two of the previous five super bowls
23:15To kc in the last half decade now the san francisco 49ers backed by over a dollar and a half at plus
23:22650 they're one and one they got upset in minneapolis last week
23:26But I think the reason why we're seeing some negative regression in the market movement for the 49ers
23:31Joe the injuries to christian mccaffrey already on the ir and debo samuel might be joining him at least missing a few weeks
23:38with the calf injury
23:41Yeah, well and you know, you can't lose to sam donald, can you uh, because that's exactly what you did
23:47uh, and that's a problem here, so
23:50Uh, you know the the problem ben that people are going to have is the recency bias when it comes to this stuff
23:56I can assure you
23:58That nothing we see in september in all likelihood is going to resemble any of these teams come november
24:05Uh, then we see it each and every year so I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into anything
24:11We're seeing here
24:12But i'll tell you this and i'll point to the bills who's hovering around that nine to one ten to one mark here
24:20if that bills team can be more than just
24:24josh allen
24:25Uh, then I do think that from what i've seen the first couple of weeks from them
24:31It's a different feel for this bill squad a team that i've bet on a lot over the last couple of years
24:36Uh, if they can be more than just the josh allen show and I yep the same problem I have with baltimore
24:42I think it's going unfortunately for them
24:44I think their only option is the lamar jackson show and I think that's a recipe for disaster
24:50But I think if uh, if some of these guys step up offensively for buffalo
24:55They are a real contender, uh this year and nobody seems to be talking about them like we have in years past
25:01Now the third best price to win superbowl 59 at plus 9 50
25:06That is notable movement for the buffalo bills the team that entered
25:11The season with the third best price to win a superbowl championship. That's the baltimore ravens
25:16They were 11 to 1 third best price the shortest number that was in four digits behind kansas city and san francisco
25:24That number has moved back by three bucks. They're winless
25:26Oh and two more damning last week not being able to close it out up by double digits 10 points early in the fourth quarter
25:34Against the las vegas raiders as an eight and a half point favorite
25:37It was the largest of week two then their loss on the road in arrowhead to the chiefs week
25:43Number one the texans were a team joe that entered this year with optimism ten to one now the price on
25:51Houston it was expected that houston could contend for another afc south championship for a conference crowd
25:58In the afc and so far the texans are two and oh, they technically haven't covered yet
26:04They won by two on the road as a three and a half point favorite in indianapolis
26:08Week number one lost out on a cover by the hook depending on where you got the line for sunday night football
26:14Against chicago just two days ago, but the texans have been solid once again defense looked really good
26:21Against the bears and cj stroud continues to do cj stroud things
26:25He has thrown for more than 230 in both of the first two games this year for houston three touchdowns
26:31Zero interceptions the guy does not put the football in harm's way. He does not turn the football over. That's a quarterback
26:37I want leading a team with postseason promise
26:41Right, but also at the same time I think beating the colts and the bears I wouldn't be uh booking my tickets
26:49To the super bowl just yet, uh because defensively
26:53This team has not been challenged yet. So I need to see
26:57Uh a little bit more from the defense. I listen. I believe in stroud. I think he's got the weapons
27:03I'm good to go there
27:05But if we're gonna take the texans seriously
27:08It's got to be because the defense shows up on the road against better offenses. We'll see what that turns into
27:16Yeah, we will because they gave up 27 to indianapolis and anthony richardson a week number one in a game that featured 28 combined points in
27:24five consecutive touchdown drives
27:26At the end of the third quarter through the fourth 28 combined points in that fourth and final quarter
27:31Let's keep diving through some of these prices here joe in terms of the super bowl
27:3659 odds detroit upset by tampa on sunday in the playoff rematch fifth best number at 12 to 1 the eagles
27:44Upset last night the falcons coming from behind in the final 90 seconds really in 65 seconds to steal a victory
27:52In philadelphia both teams 12 to 1 tied for the fifth best number
27:56We talked about the ravens the bangles price to win a super bowl actually grew a dollar shorter after the loss to kansas city
28:03on sunday
28:05Because I think since he proved they were a little bit better and they've started oh and two now three consecutive years
28:11It's a large hole to draw yourself out of can the bangles do it once again joe at least in the last two years
28:182022 and 2023 they went on to win four of their next five games after the winless start
28:25I mean ben I mean going back. It's kind of ridiculous
28:28They've lost seven straight games in weeks one and two here now under zach taylor
28:33I mean at some point you got to stop digging yourself a hole here
28:38And you know, they eventually figure it out we know that but if you keep playing with fire ben
28:45What happens if you miss the playoffs again this year? I think
28:49Hot seat very much alive and well here for zach taylor and the bangles here
28:54If you don't turn this thing around and quickly quite honestly
28:58What a healthy joe burrow healthier than he has been ben in a while
29:02Then losing and starting oh and two again is is just to me. It's unfathomable. I think it's uh,
29:08I think there's an issue in cincinnati and his seat is going to get really hot really quick
29:13No excuse for it. Joe. We can make sense of the bangles losing albeit in the fashion
29:18They did with a bad pass interference call. It was the correct call
29:22It was a critical spot and that's what sucks for daijon anthony the secondary member for cincy
29:28Who was flagged on that 4th and 16th play?
29:31They should have won that game
29:33But they absolutely should have won week number one as more than a touchdown favorite at home against the patriots
29:38We're now 1 0 and 1 against the spread. That's the inexcusable loss to start. Oh and two
29:43I believe I heard on monday night countdown yesterday on the espn broadcast scott van pelt saying that only two teams
29:50And the last 41 that have started winless. Oh and two have made it to the postseason the bangles included
29:56In 2022 they won four of their next five. They lost the game then they won eight straight
30:01I think to end out the regular season 10 straight to play in that afc championship game that year in kansas city
30:08Once again, but again, it's a very steep hill to climb when you start. Oh and two
30:13Joe, I do want to talk about some teams not listed on this board cowboys 20 to 1 jets 22 to 1 we talk about them
30:19Far enough conference movement in the nfc the packers move back because of the injuries to jordan love
30:25But how about the teams out of the nfc south the saints up from a 40 to 1 price to 13 to 1 now in the
30:31Conference and if we're going to talk about new orleans, we need to talk about tampa as well
30:37The buccaneers also now a 16 to 1 price to win the nfc
30:41As well you put in more stock into the saints and the bucks the two probably most surprising and impressive teams to begin this season
30:49Well, I I mean, you know you can dismiss I guess putting up 47 points against carolina, right?
30:56But how do you dismiss what they just did on the road against the cowboys man and dropping 44 points?
31:01Yeah, uh kubiak clint kubiak has got them believing offensively and they are executing at a high level
31:08They are going to be fun to watch
31:11Yeah, they certainly are going to be very fun to watch. It's the best offense in the nfl
31:17We'll talk individual races with the mvp in some divisional races next
31:22The individual race for the hardware the nfl mvp odds updated after week number two, but come on man
31:29Look at the odds right now. We're in there. Just don't even look at our faces put the odds up on the board
31:33plus 260
31:34for patrick holmes
31:36Sure, he threw for 290 in the season opener against baltimore one touchdown one interception and a costly one that he threw for a buck
31:4355 against the bangles with two tuds and two ints
31:48On sunday, listen patrick mahomes who has two mvp awards most recently in 2022
31:55You have voter fatigue working against the guy that has always been at the top of these odds
32:01For a team that were kind of fatigued by trying to win a super
32:04There's no reason mahomes should be nearly half the price of everybody else in the national football league at plus 260 following
32:12Two weeks he hasn't even been all that statistically great by his own ridiculous standards or even by pretty average standards of an mvp
32:20contender in the national football league
32:23Right and but you know, the book also knows that everybody is going to uh paint him like they painted the brady brush
32:30Right, like ultimately they expect mahomes
32:32To be there in the end, uh and get every uh, every vote all the headlines
32:39Everything goes his way. It's all I you know, we said we had to do it. How long now with brady?
32:44We died to go 20 years having to deal with this same kind of crap with brady. And now we just said well, congratulations
32:51We got another uh decade and a half of patrick mahomes get used to it
32:55always going to be
32:57Overvalued in any futures market when it comes to player awards. We know this unfortunately ben
33:04Ranieri, do you know who the four quarterbacks are that have thrown from four more touchdowns this season?
33:10Because i'll tell you if we're going to use those stats as a way to consider mvp contenders
33:15Derrick carr and baker mayfield each five touchdown toss
33:19Sam darnold and kyler murray each four
33:22touchdown
33:23Tosses, are they legitimate mvp contenders following only two weeks?
33:29Well, if derrick carr and the saints who we both believe in clint kubiak and and what this offense is doing
33:37Because of the weapons that they have
33:39Uh, if they're going to average 40 some odd points 35 or more points a game
33:44Then he's very much a in the conversation for because they don't do that without derrick carr
33:50This is nealvin kamara show rushing the ball. That's a passing offense and a real one at that bench
33:57So when you look at these awards, of course, you will see on the list that we display
34:03Only quarterbacks that makes sense the last running back or non-quarterback
34:07I should say to win the nfl mvp award was adrian peterson back in 2012
34:14That is now well over a decade ago. That is 12 winners of the award all playing quarterbacks since
34:21Ap
34:22Ad I guess because we called them all day and even prior to that we saw as i'm looking at it now
34:28five consecutive quarterbacks to win the award before adrian peterson claimed the hardware in
34:352012 that's a lot of quarterbacks. That's a lot. That's 16 in the last 17 having won the mvp award
34:43Joe, is there a potential saquon barkley off to a good start despite the drop yesterday to end out the game for philadelphia in much?
34:50The same consideration we gave to christian mcaffrey a year ago that we might see a non-quarterback win this award in 2024
34:59No, because hertz is going to steal far too many boats, uh in that spot there
35:04So I think they'll siphon it off one another but let's let's we've got two games out of saquon
35:10Let's see if we can keep them healthy for six in a row first. Let's do that
35:14Yeah, the reigning nfl mvp lamar jackson at 28 to 1 tied for that ninth best price along with kyler murray
35:22Rounding out this board. Jared golf has actually fallen off from where these odds were
35:26He's at 35 to 1 right now. You mentioned derrick car 33 to 1 kurt cousins 35 to 1 as well
35:33Baker mayfield at 30 to 1 actually a shorter price than both of those other quarterbacks from the nfc south baker's been great
35:41Derrick car's been great new orleans the best scoring offense in the national football league 91 points the cardinals
35:47Averaging 34 and a half points per game 28 in the opener 41 in week two against the rams. That's 69
35:54But the saints who have scored 91 points
35:57No other team even has 70 or more at this juncture following two weeks
36:01So a substantial advantage for the saints in terms of scoring output if you're the quarterback of the best scoring offense
36:09That is often a good place to be we have often seen josh allen
36:13Generally at the top of these mvp markets for many many a year
36:17He now has the second best price at five to one alongside cj stroud
36:21Those are the three quarterbacks all with three digits
36:24You got to go all the way to jalen hertz at a 12 to 1 number to get to that fourth best price
36:30So it really looks like a three quarterback race as of this moment
36:34You mentioned buffalo's price to win a super bowl and how appealing it is
36:41Josh allen remains the constant in western new york for a reshuffled roster this year for buffalo
36:47And I think the biggest thing joe for josh allen is being less turnover prone that has been his kryptonite
36:53That has been the fair criticism of his play the last few years when buffalo was expected
36:58Not to win a division not to win 12 games with the action to get to an afc championship
37:02And play for a lombardi trophy. Is this the year that josh allen cleans it up and wins an mvp award?
37:11If you I do think those are correlated aren't they though ben right if you're really considering buffalo to be a super bowl contender
37:20Uh, then that only happens because josh allen plays and takes that next step, right?
37:25And you mentioned the turnovers so far so good. He's also rushing the ball out of his mind
37:31Uh, he could set a lot of records this year again
37:35They can't afford just to be the josh allen show, but if you like them at this point
37:40Uh to actually represent the afc and the championship with a possibility to win it
37:46How in the world are you not backing him to be the mvp?
37:50Those things go hand in hand because eventually he's got to go through you know, who?
37:54So, yep
37:56That is true
37:57And that's also been the bills kryptonite three the last four years being balanced playoffs by kansas city in the last three years
38:03And exit in the division around he didn't fumble at once
38:07And it was recovered by the cardinals in week one
38:10So he's got one fumble one turnover zero interceptions to three touchdowns through the air two more rushing scores
38:17He had four total tds to bring buffalo all the way back week. Number one
38:21Over arizona
38:23Josh allen has the third best passer rating currently in the national football league only derrick carr and baker may feel better
38:30Kyler murray at a 1 22.9 that fourth best passer rating
38:35As well plenty more in store here on the early line for you some early lines on the early line now
38:43What's one of the greatest things about football season that even as we recap the conclusion of one week with a monday night football reaction?
38:51Set the stage for where the market has moved. We offer up some thoughts blah blah blah
38:56When are we going to get to game breakdowns?
38:58We're only two days away from football thursday night short week inside metlife stadium for aaron rogers and the new york jets
39:06As they host the patriots our second consecutive divisional duel on a short week thursday
39:12night football game on paper
39:15You might be saying to yourselves
39:16All right, 37 and a half the total the jets are in here touchdown favorite at home
39:21This game is going to be a clunker like we often see on short week thursday night football games. I am not so sure
39:28Geron ari we've got the new england patriots who've been far more competitive than I
39:33You or maybe anybody else in their right mind would have said they were
39:38Going to be early this season. They went outright as a seven and a half point underdog week. Number one in cincinnati
39:45They keep it real close to the home debut in foxborough on sunday afternoon against seattle
39:50Seahawks had to take the game to overtime. They kick a field goal in that extra session, but new england
39:57Did push as a three-point closing underdog that line was four and a half earlier in the week three and a hook even early
40:04on sunday
40:06Morning, new england 101
40:08Against the spread by the final tracker the page or the the jets
40:12Excuse me one and one against the spread covering as a three and a half point road favorite in nashville
40:18On sunday, but that game was closer than I think a lot of people expected it to be
40:23So with all that said joe, what's the early handicap here on the early line for thursday night football in just over 50 hours time
40:32The problem is looking at the injury report yesterday. There isn't a starting
40:38Offensive lineman or backup offensive lineman that isn't banged up
40:43uh
40:43They were dropping like flies in that seattle game
40:46And that's an issue because if you are gonna have a bunch of backup offensive lineman on a short week for new england
40:53With jacoby brissette against that jets, uh that jets rush and quinn and williams and company
41:00We may not get the kind of uh output that we have seen here in the first couple of weeks from the new england patriots
41:08Uh, but I think a lot of that had to do with seattle
41:11Uh blowing a couple of big defensive, uh possessions there in that game which gave new england
41:19Extra points they probably shouldn't have had. Otherwise that game definitely
41:23Stays under the thing that I would be concerned with is that
41:27geno smith
41:28um
41:29Jackson smith jay and of course metcalf that's well over 300 yards in the air
41:34They torched that secondary of the new england patriots
41:39I would imagine this is probably the garrett wilson coming out game with aaron rogers
41:43It feels like that is very much a possibility here
41:47But the jets have been an under machine at home over the last couple of seasons, but I don't even know if you can count that
41:52New england's offensive line injuries concern me about anything with an over
41:58Maybe a jet's team total over is better way to look at it
42:02Probably concerning not only keeping jacoby brissett upright and what that could mean just overall offensively for the patriots
42:10But also on the ground antonio gibson 11 carries for 96 yards against seattle a lot of that coming on a long 45 yard run
42:18But joe one of my favorite bets of the weekend was over 16 and a half rush attempts for remandre stevenson
42:24Knowing that's how new england is going to incorporate their offense. He had 21 carries for 81 yards and a todd against
42:31Seattle they had 185 yards as a team
42:35Against the seahawks if the offensive line is banked up against a jet's defensive front that looked a lot better in the second half
42:42Against the titans they struggled early against tennessee
42:45Of course, they gave up 32 probably could have been more than that against san francisco week
42:50Number one that's an area of concern for a patriots team that even in the outright win in cincinnati
42:57Only scored 16
42:59Points that's the concern for new england hunter henry huge for the patriots by the way on sunday eight grabs 12 targets
43:07109 of the 149 yards per set through four, but joe's right. Gino smith
43:14327 yards in four touchdowns or excuse me just a single touchdown 7.4 yards per carry against new england
43:22On sunday garrett wilson. Welcome to the show on thursday night
43:27Aaron rogers has not been tasked with doing all that much joe
43:30I think this will be a time even on a short week for the offense to open it up for gangrene
43:37Yeah, I would expect that. Uh big play big play. Aaron rogers
43:42Uh is going to be available in this game finally, but again third game in what 10 days ben?
43:48This is interesting
43:50Yep, it is very interesting scheduling logistics for new york to start the year monday night in santa clara
43:57Short week on the road in nashville home opener, but short week with a 40 year old quarterback week three
44:03Are we our three up next?