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00:00Well, it's not obviously we're like, that's a concocted conversation, Siri versus Kyle.
00:07And it's a layup right now after what we saw last night, because Philadelphia at home,
00:12they should have won that game.
00:14The defense was good.
00:15They kept Atlanta out of the end zone for the most part.
00:18And you had a chance to run the ball, kick a field goal, go up six with a minute left
00:23and win the game at home and, and show that you are a legitimate team in the NFL, but
00:28you didn't.
00:30I do think a lot of it comes from the leadership and I watched the way he carries on, on the
00:35sideline and not every coach is the same.
00:37I get that Philadelphia to me is a mirror image as a team of their head coach, meteoric.
00:44And you saw Gardner Johnson when he had the big stop on fourth down and they said that
00:50his helmet just came off, he flipped his own helmet off and whatever it would have been
00:58a 15 yard penalty.
01:00They still would've had the ball.
01:01It would not have been Atlanta's ball.
01:02Cause that was dead ball.
01:03I don't think that's the way it works.
01:05I have to look at it, but I do think my impression is that was on mute to be honest, first down
01:10for the Falcons.
01:11I'm watching it next door to the baby's room and the baby is getting story time.
01:15So I go volume off, I'm watching it and I see him rip off his helmet.
01:19And I thought that that was a dead ball and that Philly would get it.
01:22I could be wrong.
01:23Like, in fact, I'm 99% sure because even though you're, you're right, it was a fourth down
01:28and he got stopped, but there's no been no it's dead ball, but it's like possession has
01:34not changed yet.
01:36It has not like, you know what I mean?
01:37The play, right.
01:39It's all within the framework of that play.
01:41You're right.
01:42It's dead ball.
01:43Anyway, it doesn't matter.
01:44It doesn't matter to me.
01:45What that was, was a reflection of exactly what Philadelphia is, where you've got a player
01:51who clearly is more, I guess, focused on celebrating what he has just done as opposed
01:58to thinking about the greater good of the team in Sirianni in his hubris and his cockiness
02:05tries to throw the ball on third down when a run probably wouldn't work and get you a
02:11touchdown, but it would eat 40 seconds and it would give you a better chance to win the
02:15game.
02:16But he thinks that I'm Nick Sirianni and I'm going to show you a little play action, throw
02:21it to Saquon and we're going to win this game my way.
02:23You know what's so funny though, or maybe that's not the right word.
02:26What I find fascinating about this conversation, and we really want to put it out to you and
02:30we see you coming.
02:31We're going to go to you here right away, 888-957-9570.
02:35The word is arrogance because we hear that about Kyle Shanahan all the time.
02:41Everything you just said points to what with Nick Sirianni arrogance, but there's different
02:47kinds of arrogances.
02:51It's a different kind of arrogance and I wonder which one sits with all of you better.
02:58Because I think when we're doing pro sports, there's people who come off as not arrogant,
03:04Bruce Bochy, you know what I mean?
03:07There's people who just come off as like, no, I'm just one of you, but I don't even
03:12know if that really exists.
03:14Do you know what it takes to succeed at that?
03:18We're talking bajillions of dollars, the absolute dream job for everyone.
03:23Every kid grows up wanting to do this if you like sports.
03:28There has to be some level of a very healthy ego to be able to do stuff like this.
03:35I think that Nick Sirianni and Kyle Shanahan both have a super duper healthy ego, but man,
03:44they land differently with me.
03:46The Nick Sirianni, and again, I'll just reiterate what I just said on the crossover, Nick makes
03:53it about him when something goes well.
03:57In other words, it's almost like you give me the credit.
04:00I want to be on TV because Jalen Hurts just made a play or because AJ Brown went over
04:07the middle and took a hit.
04:09I want to be on TV.
04:11Kyle Shanahan's arrogance, from what we hear from a lot of listeners, is often tucked into
04:16the way he calls a game.
04:19Like my plays are so amazing that I can scheme anyone open, watch me cook, and I'm going
04:28to do something that's maybe not what you expected me to do.
04:32That's like the football arrogance.
04:34Nick to me feels almost like the personal arrogance, and Stiney's right on one front.
04:39We're not there.
04:41I haven't covered the Eagles, so I don't know all the ins and outs, but it certainly seems
04:46to me like Nick has rubbed a lot of people in that building the wrong way in a short
04:53period of time, even though they've done their fair share of winning, and his job is completely
04:59hanging in the balance in a way that it probably shouldn't, largely because of his personality.
05:06It's because he rubs people the wrong way, and he goes about it in a certain way, and
05:10I think about Sean McVay and Jim Harbaugh, I think is in that same sort of category,
05:17and Dan Campbell does it a little bit differently, but he definitely injects his own personality
05:22and his own self into everything that the Lions do as well, so I'm just wondering what
05:29people want out of their head coach, because Sirianni is definitely a rah-rah guy.
05:34Pete Carroll was the same way, where chewing the gum and slapping people in the back.
05:38And it turned people off around here.
05:40It did, and it turned people on when you're winning.
05:42It's like, oh yeah, he's a motivator, he's a great motivator, but now you look at Sirianni,
05:47and you know, last night is a good example of, I think, where you start to have a big
05:51divide for their team, but a lot of fans are down on Shanahan for not dissimilar reasons.
05:58Like Shanahan thinks that he is so much smarter than everybody, he's so arrogant, and all
06:03the rest of it, and you're right, every one of these coaches has to have a certain amount
06:08of arrogance.
06:09Do we want Kyle running up and down the sideline, chest bumping Fred Warner when he picks off
06:12a ball?
06:13Do we want that?
06:14No.
06:15I don't.
06:16I don't want that.
06:17I didn't like it when Sean McVay did it.
06:20And this is like Sean McVay on a lot of steroids.
06:24On a whole lot of steroids.
06:25Oh, and I want to say this, Xfinity Mobile text line, there are a couple people about
06:30the play call.
06:31I want to be careful that we're saying this the right way, because 925 says the play call
06:35is Kellen Moore, not Nick Sirianni.
06:37I don't care about the play call, I care about the decision to even do what they did.
06:44That's a conceptual thing.
06:45Does Kellen draw up the play?
06:47Sure.
06:48But to me, it's on the head coach when you're going to be in third and short, and you're
06:52going to decide, no, we're throwing the ball.
06:54We're throwing the ball.
06:55They have no timeouts, and we're throwing the ball because we're going to surprise them.
07:00I have a hard time believing that Nick doesn't have a hand in that.
07:04Like he has to.
07:05Well, does he have the final say?
07:07Is he not listening to the play calls as they go through, or is he completely oblivious
07:12to what's going on in that headset?
07:15Right.
07:16So he's hearing it and he has the ability to say, no, no, no.
07:19We're not throwing it here, Kellen.
07:21We're going to run it because we're not throwing it on third down where it could be incomplete.
07:26And yeah, the play design was good.
07:29He was wide open in the flat.
07:30I don't think he scores a touchdown, but if he catches it, he gets the first down for
07:34sure.
07:35Yeah.
07:37So he dives down to the five and it's Neil, Neil, Neil, and we'll see you next time.
07:40It is an interesting concept, though, for those who haven't sort of like had this discussion
07:44yet.
07:45What was it?
07:46Third and two?
07:47Is that what it was?
07:48Third and two?
07:49That sounds about right.
07:50Randy, right?
07:51Okay.
07:52So third and two.
07:53Say you run it up the middle with your silly little brotherly shove, Tush Push dealio.
07:57Say you go do that, okay?
07:58Or just hand it to Saquon up the middle.
08:01And let's say you get stopped.
08:02I think it's reasonable to assume that you're at least going to get back to the line of
08:05scrimmage.
08:06Yeah.
08:07Third and three.
08:08Or maybe get a yard.
08:09Yep.
08:10Right?
08:11Worst case scenario.
08:12Now another 45 seconds comes off.
08:14You're just over a minute left in the game.
08:17And oh, by the way, you now have what?
08:21Fourth and about a yard or two.
08:23I wonder if I could think of something Philadelphia often does in that situation.
08:28Can anyone think of something?
08:30Like dude, run your identity play.
08:34You're probably going to get the first down and end the game.
08:37Worst thing that could happen is that you give the ball to Atlanta with 58 seconds to
08:43go.
08:44No timeouts.
08:45And the ball inside their own five yard line.
08:50How on earth is that not the option that you pick?
08:54And it would be less than 58 seconds because Atlanta was out of timeouts.
08:57Well, no, because fourth down though, that stops the clock.
09:00If you didn't get it on fourth.
09:01Right.
09:02If you had run the 45 off for the third downplay, that would get it to about a minute.
09:06That would have gotten it down to about a minute.
09:08Okay.
09:09Yeah.
09:10And then you don't, you don't get it on fourth down.
09:11And so there's 50, 55 seconds, whatever it is.
09:14And yeah, now Kirk Cousins has to go.
09:16He has to just get a field goal though at that point.
09:18I know you're down six, so he needs a touchdown.
09:20Well, no, they're not in.
09:22No, you're right.
09:23That it would have only been three.
09:24Cause you wouldn't have kicked the field goal to go up by six.
09:27You would still just be up by three.
09:29I honestly, I think I would have kicked the field goal to go up six and you make Cousins
09:32go, you know, score a touchdown with 58 seconds left, but it did right.
09:38But you would think that, I don't know.
09:41You would think that you could stop them in that spot, but they also ran the brotherly
09:45shove earlier in that drive.
09:47You remember?
09:48And before that there was the offsides, the intentional offsides by Atlanta and Suriano
09:53declines it.
09:54Correct.
09:55Which I guess is a smart thing to do.
09:56Oh, it kept the clock moving.
09:57Yeah.
09:58Yeah.
09:59They were trying to, that's what they were trying to do.
10:00They were trying to save a timeout.
10:02And Nick was like, no, we're not doing it.
10:05And in his very typical Nick way, instead of just looking at the ref and being like
10:09decline, we've got to run 20 yards and then we got to get a face.
10:13We got to make sure some saliva comes flying out, the glory, the glory, the glory, let's
10:19decline.
10:20Oh gosh.
10:21We're going to decline it.
10:24What a jump.
10:25I can't believe that guy.
10:26Oh, I do not enjoy watching him coach at all.
10:29Matt in San Rafael, 888-957-9570.
10:33Hi Matt.
10:34Thanks for calling.
10:35Hey guys.
10:36Um, it's so funny that this came up because I actually had this conversation with two
10:41of my sons today about Kyle.
10:44First, I think Steinmetz reached a point where he was just being a contrarian.
10:48I think he knew he was wrong.
10:49Not him.
10:50Not him.
10:51Not him.
10:52Not him.
10:53Not him.
10:54Not him.
10:55Not him.
10:56Not him.
10:57Not him.
10:58And I think he has a desire to not admit that he's wrong.
11:02But regarding Shanahan, I totally agree with everything that you're saying.
11:06Sirianni rubs me the wrong way.
11:08He just always has, the thing last year in Kansas City, it's like when does a coach say
11:13how do you like me?
11:14It's like you're not a player, you're a coach.
11:16Shut up and do your job.
11:18But regarding Kyle, and this is sort of an issue that I've had and it came up Sunday
11:23and it kind of crystallized.
11:25If you look at the last four of the last six losses, the four that were the same, you
11:29take Cleveland out because he had the injuries, the rain, and they could have won it.
11:33You take Cincy out because Burr played his brains out and he just physically beat the
11:37hell out of the Niners.
11:39The other four losses, the DCs schemed so that Kyle's bread and butter was taken away.
11:45The middle of the field was taken away, the first read was taken away, and then they ran
11:49all kinds of various pressures.
11:52My issue with Kyle is he doesn't adjust.
11:55After the game he said no IUC was open.
11:57If he had hit them, we had them, but there were breakdowns, there were pressures, and
12:01that sort of thing.
12:02His job is to put his players in the best position to succeed.
12:06But Kyle keeps saying no, run my system, it's going to work if you do it right.
12:11Sometimes it's not going to work and you have to change, and to me this is Kyle's hubris
12:17coming up in the most extreme situations because that's when it's tested, and that
12:22is he hasn't learned humility to say hey, you know what, maybe I need to think about
12:28this a different way.
12:29He just says no, no, no, I'm going to do it my way, and it's blown up in his face really
12:34the last four times that it's come up.
12:36So anyway, that's my thought on Kyle.
12:37I love him as a coach other than that, and I really hope he learns this because this
12:42team, I think, has a chance to win it.
12:44Matt, thank you.
12:45That's a really good call.
12:46I wonder how people feel about that, this idea, and we hear that a lot.
12:51Kyle is hesitant to change.
12:55I wanted to sit there and talk with Matt for longer, what change in that situation would
13:01you like to see?
13:03I argue that most coaches spend most of the game trying to run their system, and it's
13:10always a blend with how do you adjust that if you see something that's not working versus
13:16the players going out there to execute it.
13:19Like for instance, when he said IUK was open, I believe that what he then said next was
13:24sort of an indication that IUK was open, we didn't have the time to throw it to him because
13:29our offensive line was often getting beat.
13:33Okay, so what adjustment do you make there?
13:36Do you keep Kittle there and put more tight ends in so that you have extra blockers?
13:43You know, I don't want a football coach to go all Avery Johnson, and if you've been a
13:51Warrior fan for a long time, you know what I'm talking about, which is just suddenly
13:54change what you do because you had a bad quarter and a half, you know what I mean?
13:59I do, but they also later in the game, they did have a lot of times where they just kept
14:05seven in the block and they only had two in the route because they were having a hard
14:08time with the pass protection, so they did change a little bit what they did.
14:14The caller's right about Minnesota and how they schemed it.
14:18They took away the middle of the field, which is Brandon IUK's bread and butter, and they
14:21brought a lot of pressure, and so you saw Brock Purdy really struggle to find open receivers
14:26down the field.