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"Ye Impression Sahi Nahi hai kay Draft Kahi Aur Say Aya... Atta Tarar's Huge Statement
"Ye Impression Sahi Nahi hai kay Draft Kahi Aur Say Aya... Atta Tarar's Huge Statement
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00:00We will run the shots, but I will quickly go straight to the point.
00:04One thing, Mr. Bilawat says that he was under the impression that Mr. Maulana is already on board regarding the Constitutional Amendment.
00:12So, he is only talking to the People's Party.
00:14Then we came to know that Mr. Maulana is not going to agree.
00:16So, this means that the government was not able to communicate properly.
00:20Look, the first thing is that a constant engagement was going on with Mr. Maulana.
00:27And on that, along with the delegation of the Prime Minister, two meetings were held with Mr. Maulana.
00:34And Mr. Maulana has been our ally. He is very respectable for us.
00:40So, look, in both the meetings, we did not see any ambiguity.
00:45And, in fact, whatever was discussed with Mr. Maulana, it was in a very positive manner.
00:53And I think that there was no such indication.
00:56But still, if there is a need for further consultation, then the government is of the opinion that we will extend the scope of further consultation.
01:05And we will further consult on this.
01:07There is no harm in it.
01:08Look, when the Constitution is amended, and this is a very big historical turning point in Pakistan's Constitutional history,
01:15then there should be further consultation on this.
01:17There should be further discussions on this.
01:19There should be further sessions between the political parties.
01:22There should be further meetings of the special committee.
01:24So, there is no harm in this.
01:25So, Annie, to this extent, he is right.
01:27Because you yourself are saying that even you were under the impression that Mr. Maulana is convinced.
01:30That is why you had also communicated to the People's Party that Mr. Maulana is on board and convinced.
01:34Am I right?
01:35Yes, yes, we are totally, absolutely, very heavy on Mr. Bilawal's words.
01:39Mr. Bilawal has achieved this result in his own meetings with Mr. Maulana.
01:44And we also got the same impression from our meetings.
01:48But, as I said, obviously, there is always room for improvement.
01:53And there is always room for further consultation.
01:56But, Mr. Minister, you keep saying that we don't even have the Constitution.
02:00What do you agree on?
02:01At least show us what you agree on.
02:03You didn't give the Constitution.
02:04Look, Mr. Kamran Mudra, who is his legal counsel,
02:11he had the Constitution with him.
02:14And there has been a clause-by-clause discussion.
02:17So, I don't think that the Law Minister has properly…
02:22Look, this Constitution, let me make it very clear.
02:25This Constitution was prepared by the Law Minister and his team.
02:29And the Law Minister, just look, he is not the Law Minister.
02:32He is a member of the Pakistan Bar Council.
02:35And there was a group of Asma Jahangir Sahiba in the Bar Politics.
02:39She has been a very active member.
02:42And, look, in all the Bars, in the Charter of Democracy,
02:46both our political parties have always kept this demand of the Constitutional Courts.
02:49The Bar Council has always kept it.
02:51So, there was no better person than the Law Minister to draft it.
02:54This impression that is being given again and again,
02:56I don't know where the draft came from.
02:57The draft is being made dubious.
02:59Where was the Constitution prepared?
03:00Even the government didn't have it.
03:02I categorically reject it.
03:04I reject it.
03:05And I insist that when the Law Minister and his team have made it dubious,
03:09then to give this impression that it came from somewhere else,
03:12this is not an impression at all.
03:13So, when he was saying that I have got it,
03:15what did the Law Minister mean by this?
03:16Because people said, brother, you have to make it.
03:18You are saying that I have got it.
03:19No, look, the draftsmen of the Law Minister, the legal team,
03:23when the final draft, they had to issue instructions,
03:26when they got the final draft,
03:28then they said that the final draft has come to me
03:30and now I am sharing it.
03:31So, obviously, they don't sit all day and draft themselves.
03:34Okay.
03:35He was involved in making it.
03:37There was an involvement of his entire team.
03:40In that, Attorney General's role was also there.
03:42It would be wrong if I say that it wasn't there.
03:44Attorney General was formally involved in it.
03:46So, this is not right that no one was given the Constitution.
03:52The Constitution was…
03:53And you were surprised, sir, when Ghafoor Haidry sir said that he didn't get the Constitution.
03:56You were surprised.
03:57Look, let me clarify Ghafoor Haidry sir.
03:59He came from China on the same day morning.
04:01Right.
04:02It is possible that Ghafoor Haidry sir didn't get the Constitution.
04:04I will not go into this at all.
04:06But the Constitution was present with Maulana sir's team.
04:10If he hadn't shared it with Ghafoor Haidry sir,
04:13then Maulana and his team can tell this better.
04:16But Kamran, with Murtaza sir,
04:18Azam Nazeer Tarar sir, Bilawal sir,
04:21there was a formal reading on it clause by clause.
04:23So, this impression is not correct.
04:26And Ghafoor Haidry sir didn't share it with his team.
04:29I can't comment on that.
04:31Yes, of course, it is the matter of his team.
04:33Bilawal sir also said this.
04:34When I asked him, he said,
04:35I have no doubt that the next Chief Justice of Pakistan will be Mansoor Ali Shah.
04:40Do you think he is right?
04:42Yes, absolutely.
04:43I think he is right.
04:45So, there should be no doubt in this.
04:47And I don't think there is any doubt in this.
04:50According to the law,
04:52according to the constitution,
04:53what will be, will be.
04:55But I don't deny Bilawal sir's statement at all.
04:59He must have said it correctly.
05:01I will make this question a little more innocent.
05:04On 26th October, 2024,
05:06Mansoor Ali Shah will be the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
05:11Yes, absolutely.
05:12This is what I see right now.
05:13And absolutely.
05:15I don't see anything in this right now
05:18that I can negate.
05:20So, I think Bilawal sir is absolutely right.
05:23Atta bhai, he didn't use the word right now,
05:26which you used in an innocent manner.
05:28No, no.
05:29I have no intention of creating any confusion in this.
05:34And this is absolutely right according to the law, according to the constitution.
05:39Okay.
05:40And is it possible that the head of the constitutional court
05:44becomes the Chief Justice, Mr. Faiz Issa?
05:46Or is there no possibility of this right now?
05:48Look, there was no discussion on this,
05:50that who will head the constitutional court.
05:52When the time comes,
05:54then obviously, according to its structure,
05:56there will be a discussion on this.
05:58But so far, there has been no discussion on this.
06:02Okay.
06:03And sir, he also said that,
06:05regarding the military trial,
06:06again, we will run the short version,
06:08but he said that,
06:09in whatever words,
06:10regarding the military trial,
06:12perhaps, it was your wish
06:14that the military installations should also be brought in this amendment,
06:17so that their trial can become a military court.
06:19No, the People's Party will not be able to support such a thing.
06:23Look, the thing is that,
06:25the basic and salient features of Ayni Tara Meme
06:29were about access to justice,
06:31about providing justice cheaply
06:33and about providing justice quickly.
06:36The rest of the matters,
06:39all the discussions that took place on that,
06:41the focus remained on these things.
06:43But if there will be more discussion,
06:45then things will be revealed more openly.
06:47I understand that,
06:48look,
06:49till now, I also have this question,
06:51that the accused of 9th May,
06:53till now,
06:54why were their cases not brought to a logical conclusion?
06:57If, in Washington,
06:59those who attacked Capitol Hill,
07:01can be punished after two months of trial,
07:04the one who sat on the chair of the Speaker,
07:06was punished for 14 years,
07:08the riots that took place in London,
07:10they were punished,
07:11they were brought to the cafe.
07:13Look, Mr. Badami,
07:14there are constitutional courts all over the world.
07:16What is the problem with us?
07:18That 10-12 years,
07:1920-30 years,
07:20the case goes on,
07:218 years,
07:22the person is imprisoned,
07:23and after that,
07:24he says,
07:25my appeal is still pending,
07:26but Mr. Lawyer,
07:27thank you very much,
07:28please do not pursue my appeal,
07:29I have been sentenced.
07:30Now, if I am proven innocent,
07:31then those 8 years of my life,
07:33I will collect it from the judge on the day of judgement.
07:35Now,
07:36one matter is this,
07:38then the matter is that,
07:39where there is so much blatant evidence,
07:41there is so much open evidence,
07:43of attacks,
07:44those cases do not reach the logical conclusion.
07:46And even the constitutional courts,
07:48if you look at Spain,
07:49if you look at Germany,
07:50in the whole world,
07:51the concept of constitutional courts is present,
07:54it is present in the whole of Europe,
07:56and the whole structure of those constitutional courts is present,
07:59and under that,
08:00the constitutional courts are separate,
08:03the courts of civil and criminal are separate,
08:05and that is why,
08:06access to justice is better there.
08:09Sir,
08:10the last question,
08:11Mr. Atta Talar,
08:12I would like to surprise you further,
08:14you are saying that,
08:15despite so much clear evidence,
08:16why nothing happened,
08:17no one else,
08:18in fact,
08:19Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari himself is saying,
08:20again,
08:21he said in our today's interview,
08:22that,
08:23in reference to 9th May,
08:24if the government has any evidence of Mr. Khan's direct involvement,
08:27then it should be brought forward.
08:29You have not been able to convince Mr. Bilawal,
08:31he is still saying this on television.
08:33Look,
08:34I don't think it is a matter of convincing him,
08:36this,
08:37the first thing is this,
08:38that this is the job of the prosecution,
08:40that these things should be presented in the courts,
08:42which they are doing.
08:44I don't think that the government,
08:46does undue involvement,
08:48nor is this the era of Shehzad Akbar,
08:50where the Prime Minister of the House should tell,
08:52which prosecution has to be carried out,
08:54these Prime Ministers don't take meetings of prosecution,
08:57they don't say,
08:58put so much charge on him,
08:59put so much heroin on him,
09:00close him,
09:01make this case against his sister, daughter,
09:04so here,
09:05there is no such system.
09:07Here,
09:08there is a system,
09:09which is the prosecution,
09:10and it is the prosecution of the provincial governments,
09:13which runs the cases,
09:14it is running it very effectively,
09:16but the judge,
09:17why couldn't he get it to the end of the month,
09:19and what is the reason,
09:20that in the case of 9th May,
09:22the Supreme Court takes notice,
09:23now when the Supreme Court takes notice of a case,
09:26after that,
09:27tell me,
09:28how will a session judge decide quickly,
09:30it took 5-6 months in the Supreme Court.
09:32So,
09:33I think that in this prosecution,
09:35there is a lot of irrefutable evidence,
09:37and these cases should have been tried,
09:39but on the judicial side,
09:40they have been subjected to a lot of delay,
09:43which is unfortunate,
09:44and their decision should have been made by now,
09:46otherwise,
09:47they wouldn't have been decided in the next 15-20 years,
09:49if there had been a judicial intervention like this.
09:52Sir, a final comment on a lighter side,
09:54not in legal capacity,
09:55or,
09:56not as a legal ban,
09:59anyway,
10:00Mr. Bilawal,
10:01obviously,
10:02you have an important community,
10:03so at least,
10:04we will try to convince them,
10:06Sir,
10:07this is directly involved,
10:08isn't it?
10:09No,
10:10see,
10:11that day,
10:12Mr. Bilawal,
10:13the tweet of Bani Chairman PTI,
10:14was given from the jail,
10:15or however it was given,
10:16he commented very openly on it,
10:18and he said,
10:19that it is very unfair,
10:20that you taint state institutions like this.
10:22So,
10:23in reference to 9th May,
10:24I think,
10:25we can talk more about this,
10:26with Mr. Bilawal,
10:27but Mr. Bilawal is a very wise man,
10:29a very far-sighted politician,
10:31and he has played a very positive role in this,
10:33and I,
10:34we hope,
10:35that he will continue to do so,
10:36and in reference to 9th May,
10:37no one should have any doubt,
10:39so we will talk more about this,
10:40with him as well.