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Heated Debate Between Hassan Ayub & Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain's
Heated Debate Between Hassan Ayub & Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain's
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00:00Viewers, let's move on to the next story.
00:02Yesterday, there was a clarification from Mr. Chief Justice.
00:07And I think that clarification was given by our program because this is what Hassan thinks.
00:14And he still thinks that whatever happens, Mr. Chief Justice will not take any extension.
00:22But Rana Sinawala said something the other day, let's listen to that first.
00:27And the announcement that came last night confirms what Rana Sinawala said.
00:57Last night, there was a clarification from Dr. Mushtaq, Secretary to the Chief Justice.
01:22He regretted that there was an off-the-racket discussion with the journalists.
01:26The journalists have misquoted me.
01:28The clarification is that I said that when the discussion was taking place,
01:32that if I am the only one to be given an extension or if only one person is to be given an extension,
01:38then that is not acceptable to me.
01:40The rest of the parliament can do whatever they want.
01:44Hassan, what does he think?
01:47Obviously, if the parliament gets an extension,
01:51they say that it is fixed, three years to no more.
01:53And if it is applicable with the current Chief Justice, then yes.
01:57The point was that the statement that Mr. Chief Justice gave,
02:01the people who were going to report, they also knew very well that the parliament
02:05is not under the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
02:09The Chief Justice cannot dictate to the parliament.
02:11The news was that...
02:13The news was that...
02:16Since you were covering at that time,
02:20he said that even if it happens, I will retire.
02:24I will go. I will take an extension.
02:26And this was the news.
02:28If I am given a fixed term,
02:30then I will not accept my extension or my fixed term of Chief Justice.
02:34But if the retirement age is increased in the judiciary of the entire country,
02:38and if the law is reformed,
02:40then the Chief Justice is not above the law of Pakistan.
02:44The Chief Justice of Pakistan cannot dictate to the parliament.
02:48It is the will of the parliament.
02:50Do you think that...
02:52Your news is that he is retiring on 23rd October.
02:54Yes, he is retiring.
02:56What is your assessment about this news?
02:58No, if he does not want to take it and does not want to give it,
03:02then what is so funny about it?
03:04What is so funny about it?
03:06What is so funny about it?
03:08This is not just a joke.
03:10This is not just a joke.
03:12If Fazl-ur-Rehman meets someone today,
03:14he will say that he does not want to do anything like this.
03:16Mr. Fazl-ur-Rehman,
03:18you can talk extensively about national interests.
03:20Today, Shahid Khakhan Abbasi also said that
03:24the solution to this problem can be found in one way only.
03:28That the Chief Justice should issue a press statement
03:32that I am retiring on 23rd October.
03:34Whatever reforms the government has to do,
03:36whatever matters have to be taken care of,
03:38whatever matters have to be taken care of,
03:40they should be taken care of.
03:42I do not think this will happen.
03:44But the clarification that has come,
03:46Hassan is right that it will be applicable to everyone.
03:48But Hassan is adamant that he is retiring on 23rd October.
03:50I am saying that the numbers are not complete yet.
03:52I have been saying this for a long time.
03:54You talk about it again.
03:56I have asked you the question.
03:58The numbers have been completed.
04:00The reforms have been made.
04:02If the reforms have been made,
04:04and the term of all the judges will increase,
04:06then he will not resign.
04:08He will not resign.
04:10He will retire.
04:12If he retires, then well and good.
04:14He has to retire on retirement age.
04:16The Chief Justice will not accept resignation from his post.
04:18As far as I know him.
04:20Now if Mr. Khawar tells me
04:22that if all the judges issue a statement
04:24that we do not want any increase in retirement age,
04:26then what will be your opinion?
04:28Whatever has to be done,
04:30the parliament has to do it.
04:32It is not the will of the judges
04:34that the parliament has to do it.
04:36The parliament makes the law.
04:38The law determines the retirement age.
04:40Who is the judge to say
04:42that he should reduce his two-year term.
04:44He should retire earlier.
04:46The parliament can do that as well.
04:48The parliament is the Supreme Court.
04:50They can also close the Supreme Court
04:52when their decisions are not followed.
04:54A new constitutional court can be established
04:56before the Supreme Court.
04:58In the coming days,
05:00the Prime Minister has said that
05:02there will be no increase in retirement age.