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Join us on this episode of Bruins Beat with Evan Marinofsky and Scott McLaughlin as we dive into the hot topic: What will happen with Jeremy Swayman? We discuss Swayman’s latest comments, debate whether a shorter or longer-term deal is in his future, and question if he’s worth $10 million. We also explore the possibility of a holdout and take a look back at the impact of the Linus Ullmark trade. Don’t miss this deep dive into the Bruins’ goaltending situation!  Topics:   - Jeremy Swayman’s latest comments   - A shorter term deal or longer term deal?   - Is he worth $10M?   - Could there be a hold out?   - Looking back on the Linus Ullmark trade    Bruins Beat is presented by:  Prize Picks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Go to https://PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Gametime! Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply. Go to https://gametime.co ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the #CLNS Media Network’s YouTube channel for Boston #Bruins hockey. CLNS Media is the leading online provider of audio/video coverage for the Boston sports. Get complete inside access to the Bruins at TD Garden, the game day skates at Warrior, and everywhere on the road. CLNS #NHLBruins' credentialed insiders Mike "Trags" Petraglia, Evan Marinofski, Conor Ryan, and Joe "Haggs" Haggerty. Providing instantaneous news and analysis all in real time, as well as full access to complete videos from the players, coaches, ownership and everyone else on Causeway Street.  For the CLNS award winning Celtics, Patriots, Red Sox, College hoops, NBA History, go here to featured channels- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiP7KyKodc3OHuN_XhEyPPw?sub_confirmation=1

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00:23I am Evan Maranofsky.

00:24That is Scott McLaughlin.

00:25Scott, what is up?

00:26Not much, Evan.

00:27What's up with you?

00:28Nothing much.

00:29It is, uh, I love this time of year.

00:30I say it on every podcast I do now, but I love that hockey's just kind of getting going.

00:31The captain's practice next week.

00:32Um, so we'll be back in person again.

00:33And not just Connor's wedding, but, uh, quite a bit throughout the, uh, throughout the winter.

00:34Um, and, uh, we do have some news, which is nice.

00:35Even though it's late August, we have some, we do have something pertinent to talk about.

00:36Uh, and that is Jeremy Swann.

00:37Jeremy Swann.

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00:51We do have some news, which is nice.

00:53Even though it's late August, we have some, we do have something pertinent to talk about.

00:56Uh, and that is Jeremy Swann, which I think we expected to be talking about.

01:01Um, didn't see it happening, uh, or didn't see him saying, you know, so many interesting

01:05things on the shut up, Mark podcast.

01:08Imagine if like shut up, Evan, I changed the name of the podcast to just shut up, Evan.

01:12I shut up.

01:13I actually think that that's what every Bruins podcast should be called.

01:18Shut up, Evan.

01:20Or just whoever the host is, you know, like shut up, Connor, shut up, Ty, shut up, Scott.

01:24Um, I think that's a great, that's a great name for a podcast.

01:27Just shut up, host name.

01:29Um, but, uh, Swann was on there and gave some interesting quotes, uh, that have been circulating

01:35quite a bit.

01:36I would find it on Twitter, but, um, I think Twitter's down as we record this, at least

01:41it was just down for me.

01:42Fortunately though, I have Connor Ryan.

01:44You finally all been put out of our, our misery.

01:47Well, remember when, like, I was like, Elon Musk bought Twitter and everyone was like,

01:51all right, Twitter's done.

01:52Like, you're gonna have to pay to use Twitter.

01:55And so everybody jumped over to threads, uh, meta put out threads and I remember, you know,

01:59making a threads account and I have honest to God, I have not opened threads in like

02:03over a year.

02:04I have not.

02:05Yeah.

02:06No.

02:07Yeah.

02:08Yeah.

02:09Threads didn't really make it.

02:10I remember, I realized I was probably too addicted to Twitter when like the first day

02:13of rate limits.

02:14I think I hit it like nine 15 in the morning and I was like, oh man, I might have a problem.

02:20Wasn't that on free agency day of 2023?

02:23Oh, I think, uh, so I think the actual first day was like just before that.

02:28But I do remember like on free agency day, everyone's sitting in the press box like,

02:33what the hell is this?

02:34Like I can't see anything.

02:36What the hell?

02:37Like, yeah, I was out, I'm looking at my phone and I'm like, all right, well I'm done with

02:41news for the day.

02:42I can't.

02:43I can't find it.

02:44So, um, but anyway, I have a story open with it and swim and said, quote, if you were to

02:48ask me that same question a year ago, I would answer truthfully and I would say it's scary.

02:53It's a lot of resentment towards people that want you to succeed.

02:56And when you're not being compensated for your endless efforts and doing what you do

03:00best, it's a nerve wracking feeling because it's your family that you're fighting for.

03:04The answer I'm gonna give you this year is that I've educated myself and I understand

03:07the business side of it all.

03:08It's given me a complete new mindset of understanding the business and how to react to it.

03:12I understand the cap is going up and where it will be in years.

03:15I understand my comparables and how I can't ruin the goalie market for guys that are going

03:19to be in my shoes down the line.

03:22So certainly interesting coming from him.

03:25People like us talk a lot about comparables.

03:28People like us, uh, dive into sort of where the cap's going to be.

03:31I don't think you hear it often from players or at least saying it openly.

03:36Obviously they're having those conversations behind closed doors.

03:39What did you make of the comments and are you worried?

03:43So I think it just kind of confirms something that we sort of already knew about something,

03:48which is that he is interested in the business side of it and he does follow this stuff and

03:52pay attention to it.

03:54And I felt like, I think he has been that way for a while, which is kind of why last

04:02year I was sort of surprised at like how often he kept going back to how much he hated arbitration

04:08because I kind of got the impression like he knew what he was getting into.

04:13And you know, remember technically he's the one who took the Bruins to arbitration.

04:17Yes.

04:18Don Sweeney was quick to, to, yeah, like his side was the one who actually filed for it.

04:25So I was, I was a little surprised that like he played the, man, I was surprised by like

04:31how much crap they talked about me.

04:34Like, you know what I mean?

04:35We were going to just kind of, you know, debate a little bit, didn't think that, you

04:41know, roast me like that.

04:42What the hell?

04:43Yeah.

04:44So, but I think this kind of confirms that in the year since then he's probably gotten

04:48even more involved and more into all this.

04:51And you know, it, I think it tells you like, this isn't going to be a hometown discount

04:58type type of guy or, or just get it done.

05:01I'll leave it to my agent type of guy.

05:02Like he's, he is involved in the process and there's absolutely nothing wrong with

05:06that.

05:07Like this is possible depending on what the deal ends up being possibly going to be the

05:13biggest contract he signed.

05:15So like, yeah, he should be involved and you know, you, you should want to get the most.

05:19So I don't blame him at all for that, but I think, I think it sheds some light on, you

05:26know, like Elliot Freeman a couple of weeks ago reported that last he had heard they weren't

05:30all that close.

05:31He had been, he used the word challenging negotiation and then, you know, now you kind

05:36of like you hear Simon talk, you see Rich Keith's report of asking for 10 million, which

05:43I believe, I know some people don't, but I actually, you know, biased because I work

05:48with Keith, but I actually do think he has sources and like it, it all kinds of sheds

05:54light, sheds light on why this is still dragging on why it's been challenging, why the Bruins

06:01aren't just caving and saying, you know, okay, it's gone on long enough.

06:05We'll just give you what you want.

06:06And it's like, well, no, if what he wants is 10 million or even, you know, something

06:11over 9 million, it's like, yeah, of course the Bruins are going to, you know, wait it

06:16out and try to get that price down from Swayman's side, the comments he made on that podcast.

06:23It's like, yeah.

06:24I mean, he's talking about, you know, he doesn't want to let down future goalies and he, you

06:28know, cares about the market and what it's going to be in the future.

06:32It's like, yeah, that, that, that's a guy who's going to drive a tough negotiation along

06:39with his agent who, by the way, has a reputation of driving tough negotiations, probably most

06:45famously with William Nylander in Toronto.

06:48So, you know, I still think the second part of your question, am I worried?

06:55Not that much, maybe slightly more than I was, I don't know, two weeks ago, but I still

07:01think it's going to get done, I think probably before camp, but at least some point during

07:09camp before the season starts, just because that's, that's what I've heard.

07:14And that's what everyone on both sides has said.

07:17And I don't really have any reason to, to believe that it's not going to eventually

07:21get done once they actually sit down and like really focus on this, you know, whenever

07:27that is in the next couple of weeks.

07:31But it is clear that like there's some, some real work to do and it's, it's not just going

07:35to be a, you know, Hey, all right, Hey, glad you're back.

07:39How was your summer?

07:40Okay.

07:41Let's hammer this out in the next half hour.

07:42Like it's not, it's probably going to be a little bit more complicated than that.

07:45I agree.

07:46And, and, and, you know, to me, like when I look at those quotes, what stands out to

07:51me and kind of gives me a little insight into, you know, not just what he's looking for,

07:55but what this deal may end up looking like is I understand the cap is going up and where

08:01it will be in years.

08:03And you know, like I'm reading Connor Ryan's story from today.

08:06And he mentioned that, um, uh, Alan Walsh, a long time NHL agent for Octagon, um, mentioned

08:12in an interview with Sportico that the league salary cap could jump from 88 million this

08:16upcoming year to around 101 million, uh, in the 27, 28 season.

08:21And, you know, I think people anticipate it going up above that around then too.

08:26And I just wonder if that means that Swayman, you know, as a concession, uh, instead of

08:31getting the 10 million per year that he's reportedly asking for, uh, over the course

08:35of a long-term deal might be looking for a deal that's more in the form, uh, the four

08:40year range where, you know, your contract's going to end when the cap is much higher and

08:46you can ask for even more.

08:48Now that is risky on his part because you don't know what the next four years are going

08:52to entail.

08:53You don't, you know, you don't know how you're going to perform in that.

08:55Obviously it's a somewhat of a bet on yourself.

08:57And I imagine that that payday over those four years would still be a substantial somewhere

09:02in that seven to $8 million range, which I think is what he's more worth now, even though

09:06like what's funny is I've said all off season, like eight times, eight makes the most sense.

09:11That's just what I think.

09:13Eight is still big for what he's given you so far.

09:16Eight is still above what he is technically like to me on paper valued as, and I'm not

09:22saying he's not a valuable goalie.

09:23He is a very valuable goalie, but 8 million is still high for what he is.

09:27And my whole thought process on that is that, well, that's going to, um, he's going to justify

09:32that and might look cheaper down the line in that contract.

09:36Um, but again, a short-term deal would allow him to then basically renegotiate a new deal.

09:43Um, when the cap is bigger and maybe he's better, uh, I don't think that's in the Bruins

09:47best interest either because you know, if he's average over those four years, well then

09:52I guess that is a good thing for the Bruins and that, you know, I mean, it's not good

09:55for them on the ice.

09:56It's good for them at the checkbook.

09:58Um, but on the other end of it, if he's nasty and is, you know, what he thinks he is, which

10:03is a top three goalie in the NHL, most likely, um, that's a big payday down the road too.

10:09When you want to be, you know, when you're going to be signing other players or wanting

10:13to do different things.

10:14So I think this, I think this ends up being maybe not like short-term, like two or three

10:19years, but sort of that four year thing kind of seems like it probably like makes the most

10:26sense just for both sides, especially if they're, if they're so far apart on, uh, you

10:30know, AAV, let's say Swainman saying 10 as, as he is being reported, he is.

10:36And the Bruins are like, no, like 7.25, seven and a half.

10:40If Lewis goes is going to continue to be, you know, you know, rigid in that ask, you

10:46might have to go for a shorter term deal.

10:49Yeah.

10:50It does seem like that's at least on the table now, whereas, you know, I think the conventional

10:55thinking and my thinking throughout most of the summer is it's going to be eight because

11:00that's usually what both sides want, right?

11:02Like that, there's a reason McAvoy got eight.

11:04There's a reason Posnack got eight.

11:05There's a reason most big name free, you know, free agents, restricted free agents on their

11:13own team, get that max because the player wants it because you just want that long-term

11:19security.

11:20You don't, as you said, like if you're going four or five years instead, you, you are betting

11:26on yourself to be just as good, if not better in four or five years so that you can cash

11:34in again.

11:35And some guys just don't want to take that risk.

11:37Like some guys just want the long-term security of like, God forbid something happens to me

11:43injury wise, or, you know, no one ever thinks their play is going to go down, but like obviously

11:47that could happen.

11:49So guys want the eight, they want the most money possible while they can get it and teams

11:54want it because the longer the term, the more, you know, it, it at least somewhat keeps down

12:00the cap hit in theory doesn't always work out that way.

12:05But yeah, it, it seems like that could be on the table where if you're so far apart

12:09on, on what the AAV should be on an eight year deal, yeah.

12:14Then you get closer on, on a four year deal and, you know, Swayman can feel like, Hey,

12:23I'm going to, you know, I'm going to have a chance to cash in again and help set the

12:26market again.

12:27And, you know, and, and from the Bruins perspective, if, if you do that, I think if you're the

12:32Bruins, then you're maybe looking a little, a little harder at, you know, just have an

12:40eye on like, who's going to be our next goalie.

12:43If we decide we're not going to be the team that pays Swayman in four years, like you,

12:50you kind of start to come up with that plan.

12:51Whereas, you know, if you sign for eight years, you're like, boom, there we go.

12:56We're all set.

12:57We got our goalie.

12:58It's, you know, it's like when you sign two grass for seven years, like that, that just

13:01provides that provides security that the team wants and usually players want it.

13:07But in Swayman's case, we know he's confident in himself.

13:11So maybe, you know, maybe that is something that he'd be open to.

13:15Maybe it is.

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15:14Now back to the show.

15:15So what's interesting with the whole Swaman thing is obviously he's reportedly asking

15:20for $10 million per season according to your colleague Rich Keefe.

15:24And you know, I think from we're a pro get in the bag podcast for players.

15:29We want players to get what they're worth.

15:31We're all for it.

15:34I get though, from the Bruins perspective, let's just say we don't, I don't think we

15:37know yet quite the length Swamans asking for $10 million, but I'm going to assume it's

15:42seven or eight years, that longterm security.

15:46If you're the Bruins, are you signing Swayman to an eight by 10 contract right now?

15:51Absolutely not.

15:52Like I, that is the most, no, you would not do that.

15:55And the biggest reason for that is he is still, I don't want to say unproven, but again, like

16:01I did this on poke the barrier stay with Connor 10 games in 2020, 21, which is first season

16:0721, 22, 41 games, 22, 23, 37, 23, 24, 44.

16:12Now the reason that I think it's up to 10 reportedly is because of that playoff run

16:17and being as good as he was in those two rounds and no one's disputing that.

16:21But to that playoff round, to me, put him in that seven, $8 million range.

16:26He has yet to be a starter for a full season, handing a guy $80 million guaranteed over

16:32the course of eight years.

16:34When you really don't know, when you don't know what he is, what he's going to be, you

16:39think he's going to be that.

16:40I think we all agree that the pedigree is there, the mental toughness, the ability,

16:45all that stuff, personality, but to hand a $10 million deal that, you know, is I know

16:52Ottinger and just Durkin are going to be up for new deals soon.

16:56Like they've proven more, I, to me, I tend to me is, is he's not worth 10 right now.

17:03Um, and, and I, and I know that, that, that obviously want to ask her as much as you can,

17:07but I get the Bruins side of it where it's, no, we're not going to give in on $10 million

17:12for you.

17:13Yeah.

17:14He's unproven in terms of being the highest paid goal in the league, because that's what

17:19he would be tied for.

17:20Right.

17:21Like Carrie price hasn't played in two and a half years.

17:23So his 10 and a half million, like you can ignore that.

17:27That's only because he's not going to retire while he's still collecting money.

17:32So you have Sergei.

17:34Exactly.

17:35Get the bag.

17:36Right.

17:37Absolutely.

17:38Carrie price.

17:39Isn't stupid.

17:40Um, exactly.

17:41Yes.

17:42Sergei Bobrovsky at 10.

17:43Okay.

17:44Sergei Bobrovsky had two business on his resume when he signed that contract and now he's

17:48one of Stanley cup and been to the final back to back years.

17:52So you know, then you go Andre vessel left, get nine and a half.

17:56He's one of Vesna in two Stanley cups.

17:59He was a con Smythe win even dropped down a further Connor Hellebuck at eight and a

18:04half just signed that last summer.

18:07He won his second Vesna this year.

18:10Like you know, I mean, Sirocco and maybe a little more unproven, but obviously it's been

18:15very good.

18:17You see Sarros just signed this summer for 7.74, which I don't think helped anyone.

18:23And I'm sure Swain and his agent were shaking their heads when, when they saw that because

18:28Sarros is a guy who has played 60 plus games each of the last three years and pretty consistently

18:34been one of the top five goalies.

18:36And again, Swain, as you said, Swain, his career high in games is 44.

18:41Like it's, it's a hard sell to be like, yeah, well you should just pay swimming like one

18:47of the top goalies because we think he's going to be that and it's like, okay, but you can't

18:53really like, if you're the Bruins, you can't really be in the business of paying for what

18:58you think a guy's going to be when he hasn't yet been that, like there, there is some,

19:04you know, past resume that goes into any deal.

19:07So yeah, if I'm the Bruins, I'm, I'm waiting it out.

19:10I'm definitely not just like caving and giving 10.

19:13I think realistically like Swainman and his agent, I think you're going to have to get

19:18down to nine before there's, you know, real conversations and like, then you can hammer

19:23it out from there.

19:24And maybe it comes in at eight and a half, you know, higher than what we've all thought,

19:29which, you know, I'm with you, like we've all been saying eight by eight.

19:33So maybe it comes in a little above that.

19:35But to me, as long as they're over nine, like there's not, not really a serious negotiation.

19:41So if you're the Bruins, you kind of just wait for that to come down for them to like

19:45actually be ready to talk.

19:47Yeah.

19:4810 is a ton.

19:49I mean, again, that would be the second highest paid player on the Bruins between Pasternak

19:54and McAvoy.

19:55Like again, McAvoy, and I know they're different positions, but you have, you know, Pasternak

20:01and McAvoy are pillars of your franchise have proven a ton.

20:04Swainman looks to be in that category at some point, but is he there yet?

20:09No, I don't think he is.

20:10I think, you know, projection wise again, yes, but you don't typically get paid off

20:16projections.

20:17You have to have some things under your belt.

20:20And while Swainman had a nice playoff run this past year, um, has been good in regular

20:25season action.

20:27He's been in a tandem for three years, like, you know, 10 is, is absurd.

20:32Um, and I will say like in, in Swainman's defense, you know, if the Bruins throw that

20:38at him, he can be like, well, that wasn't my plan.

20:41Like I would have been happy to play more like, you know what I mean?

20:44Like you're the ones who put me in a tandem and didn't give, you know, you're the ones

20:48who haven't given me a chance to play 55 games.

20:51So like, I, I also understand like that would be a fair argument, but, but still he hasn't

20:59actually done.

21:00Well, also like I get his perspective, I'm going to ask for the most possible.

21:04You know, I, I like, I get that end of it.

21:06I mean, it'd be funny if like, like a third pairing defenseman like came out and was like,

21:10yeah, I want, I want 10 million a year.

21:11That's what I want.

21:12I want, they, they, they bet like Mike Riley comes out three years ago.

21:17They better give me 10 million per season if they want me to run their second power

21:20play unit.

21:21That's all I'm saying.

21:22Um, I want to continue, you know, the Swainman stuff, uh, there's so much to, uh, get out

21:26of it.

21:27And I think, you know, one thing we mentioned earlier was sort of when we think this will

21:31happen when we think it'll get done, I want to talk worst case scenario.

21:35I want to get into the worst case, uh, but first a best case scenario, our friends over

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23:18Oh, I think you and I are sort of in the next step with this would be done either right

23:22before camp, um, maybe a little bit into camp, um, hard to, you know, I still think it's

23:28a long shot to go into the regular season, um, because that is, that's a problem.

23:34Um, but in the event it does, there's holdouts, um, they look at potentially moving him.

23:41Do you think any of that is on the table?

23:44No, not right now.

23:48Like, sure.

23:49In theory, it could get there, but I would be really surprised.

23:54Like, I guess where I'm at now is like, I wouldn't be surprised if it drags a little

24:00bit into training camp where it's like, Hey, maybe he's not on the ice the first couple

24:05days.

24:06I still would be surprised if it doesn't happen pretty soon after that.

24:09And I would definitely be surprised if he's not on the opening night roster.

24:13Like that, that would just require so much stubbornness on both sides where it's like,

24:21do you even want to get a deal done?

24:23Because ultimately if you want to get a deal done, you make it happen by then.

24:27Like both sides give enough to make it happen by then.

24:30That's how negotiations go.

24:32And I think both sides want to get this done.

24:34Like I, the Bruins traded away all mark because they're ready to give the net to Swain.

24:40So they've already tipped their hand.

24:42Swayman, every interview he gives talks about how much he loves being a Bruin, loves being

24:46in Boston.

24:47He's been around all this summer.

24:49He's training with his teammates.

24:51Like he clearly views himself as part of this team long term.

24:55So unless that's all just an act, which I don't think it is.

25:01Yeah.

25:02Like at some point you both have to do something to make it happen, you know?

25:06So if it's not done by then, then that's just like, that's an insane amount of stubbornness.

25:13And I really can't see it getting there.

25:17It's funny because you hear more and more people as this, you know, since these quotes have come

25:22out, since Rich Keefe's report came out, people going, you know, they should never have traded

25:28Lena Solmark back in June.

25:30And, you know, that they need to look at trading Jeremy Swayman.

25:35And I, to me, that seems extreme.

25:38Now, if the Swayman negotiations break down to the point where he's moved in October or,

25:46you know, I think that is the worst case scenario.

25:48If that's the case, then, yeah, obviously you look back and go, why, you know, why would you

25:52deal away Olmark in that case?

25:55But I think we all agree that dealing Olmark, giving the net to Swayman was always the right

26:00move.

26:01Swayman is your guy.

26:02You drafted him.

26:03You've developed him.

26:04Clearly he has the pedigree to be successful in the playoffs.

26:07He showed it this past year.

26:09And as I think, as you said, you have to, he has to be willing to give a little and

26:14the Bruins have to be willing to give a little.

26:16And that's why I feel like it's going to come to that shorter term deal than eight years.

26:21I mean, four years, I don't think is really technically a short-term deal.

26:24But it's obviously much shorter than eight.

26:27And that's why I think it ends up, you know, just off these comments, it wouldn't shock

26:31me if that's what it ends up being.

26:34But I don't, I don't know.

26:36I don't, I don't, I don't regret, I don't think the Bruins are going to regret dealing

26:42Olmark because I do think this gets done.

26:46And I don't think the Bruins should look to trade Swayman if this, you know, continues

26:50to sort of falter.

26:51Like, I think this is your guy.

26:53I know there's that, you know, common theme of, oh, you don't need a great goaltender

26:56to win, but this is not, I mean, I have this team as a cup contender.

27:00I think, you know, you and I have talked about this.

27:02I, you know, you do too, but take away Swayman and just put Corpo Salo in that.

27:07And this is not a Stanley cup contender.

27:09Like I do think a lot of success, not just this year, but future years hinges on Swayman.

27:14You're not going to get a goalie close to the caliber of Jeremy Swayman in here anytime

27:19soon.

27:19And I know people say, oh, Bussie, what do you have in Bussie?

27:21Well, that's, you know, you can see what you have in Brandon Bussie.

27:25And I think we all think that he's going to be, you know, pretty good, but to Swayman's

27:30level, Corpo Salo to Swayman's level, like you're not going to go out and find a guy

27:33like Swayman.

27:34You got lucky.

27:35You drafted him in the fourth round.

27:37Like you take advantage of that.

27:39I don't think you deal Swayman at any point.

27:42Yeah.

27:42And by the way, Brandon Bussie is older than Jeremy Swayman.

27:45So yes, most goalies who are going to get to Swayman's level, do it at a younger age.

27:51So like, yes, I think that I think the ceiling on Brandon Bussie is pretty limited, even

27:55though I do think he's pretty solid.

27:58Yeah.

27:59The other thing with the, with the Allmark trade is there was a timetable on when you

28:04had to do that.

28:05Like, you know, after the devils got Jacob Markstrom, the, all of a sudden were really

28:12like the only real aggressive goalie buyer left.

28:17It's not to say that someone else wouldn't have popped up at some point.

28:20But like, if you weren't going to trade Allmark, the senators would have looked elsewhere.

28:26They, they would have done something.

28:27Cause like, they're not waiting.

28:29You know, they're not going to be like, oh yeah, sure.

28:31We'll circle back in our, you know, in September during training camp.

28:34Like, no, they're building their team.

28:36So like.

28:36They're like, oh, those Swayman negotiations are going to fall apart.

28:39We'll take Swayman in three months.

28:41Yeah.

28:42So if you don't trade them to Ottawa, then a, you're not getting that draft pick the

28:47first round pick and B you might not be trading Allmark at all.

28:52Like that might be the end of his market.

28:54And then you're just keeping them through the end of his contract or revisiting it in

28:59season when you're probably not going to get as much.

29:02So no, they should not regret trading Allmark because they're, you know, listen, I didn't

29:08love the return.

29:08I didn't like taking on corpus solo at 3 million.

29:13But they got a first round pick, which I think is still pretty good.

29:17All things considered.

29:18And that wasn't going to happen if you just wait and said, well, you know, we'll try to

29:24trade them during training camp.

29:25Once we get Swayman done, like that's, it's not really an option.

29:28Big trades like that don't happen now.

29:30No, they don't.

29:31And I, that's why I think, you know, and Allmark is a perfect example.

29:35You know, we'll, could someone take Swayman at the, you know, at the current moment, a

29:39good young goalie who they get to sort of negotiate a contract with, you know, probably.

29:44But Allmark at this time?

29:46No, I don't.

29:47I don't think that would have been something that would fly right now.

29:51I'm fascinated, fascinated to see how this sort of plays out.

29:55Because again, if he signs in a week or two, it's like, all right, well, what was this

30:00all for?

30:00You know, like this sort of this panic level that sort of rose after these comments.

30:08But again, I think, you know, I'm with you on this.

30:11I think this gets done either before, right before camp or at the very beginning.

30:17Am I panicking?

30:18No.

30:19Raises the, you know, the panic a teeny bit, though.

30:22You know, I said this to Connor yesterday.

30:25Little sweat comes down the, down the forehead, just a little bit, you know, making you sweat

30:29out and out a little.

30:31But I don't like, you know, I heard Felger yesterday just being like, trade them, get

30:36rid of them.

30:36And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, not yet.

30:40No, you don't do that.

30:41Not with someone that, you know, we say all the time in any sport, you have a prospect,

30:46you developed him, he pans out.

30:49You don't just go trading them away.

30:51And I think that that's a this is a perfect example of that.

30:55So we're just going to have to come down off the $10 million perch.

31:00Scott, always a pleasure.

31:01What can the people look forward to from you over WEI and the skate podcast?

31:05We got, yeah, we got regular episodes of the skate pod going.

31:10We just got the mailbag this week and episode of DJ Bean, coverage of captain's practices

31:16and all that next week.

31:19WEI.com, there'll be coverage there.

31:21And yeah, you can see my see my little Twitter handle up here.

31:25So that's about it.

31:28That's all that matters.

31:29Scott, always a fun time.

31:31And that's been this week's Burns Beat.

31:33I'm Evan Marinovsky, Burns Beat listener.

31:34Have a great rest of your week.

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