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In this episode I will be looking at the Commonwealth tanks designed and produced by Australia and Canada that could be included in the British tech tree in War Thunder!   British tanks (including the Australian Sentinel AC4) have now been released in War Thunder as part of the Patch 1.55 Royal Armour update.  Commonwealth tanks in this episode: Cruiser Tank Ram (MK I and MK II) 01:47 (Added to American tech tree as "M4A5 Ram II" in Update 1.61 "Road to Glory") Cruiser Tank Sentinel  (AC 1, AC 2 and AC 4) 07:34 (AC 1 and AC 4 added as gift/premium vehicles in Update "Winged Lions" and Update 1.55 "Royal Armour" respectively)  Completed tech tree: https://onedrive.live.com/edit.aspx?cid=948B17907489CD2D&resid=948B17907489CD2D%21548&app=Excel  Information/picture cites WWII: The Directory of Weapons  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_tank  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel_tank  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ASentinel_tank_final_assembly.jpg By Herbert H Fishwick [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ASentinel_(AWM_101156).jpg By Not stated [Public domain or Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons The photo's online record states that it's copyright status is 'clear'. The photo was taken in 1942.  Social Media ⬇️ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/toreno.bsky.social Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Toreno4 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toreno170 Mastodon: Toreno17@mastodon.social Threads: https://www.threads.net/@toreno170 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Toreno17 Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/toreno5/videos   Game: War Thunder  ⬅️  #warthunder #canada #australia #commonwealth #toreno

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00:00Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of my proposed British tank tech tree series.

00:06Now in this episode we're looking at the Commonwealth nations, Canada and Australia.

00:12I don't think any other Commonwealth nations built tanks unfortunately.

00:15Now the Commonwealth obviously contributed in many different ways during the war.

00:21Canada had one of the beaches on D-Day and was there fighting alongside the British, French and Americans

00:28well in Northwest Europe. The Australians did a lot fighting in the deserts and against the

00:35Japanese in the Pacific but they never really built many tanks. Only two tanks that I know of

00:42were really produced by the Commonwealth. South Africa and New Zealand might produce some

00:47armoured personnel carrier type things or armoured cars but the proper gun tanks are only really

00:52produced by Australia and Canada as far as I'm aware. Now the reason I've put them in this

00:59tech tree and not in their own is because there's only two of them. There's a few different variants

01:04of them but ultimately not really enough for its own tech tree. There were other stuff made by the

01:10Australians and Canada for example I think the Sexton was based on the Canadian tank

01:17but there isn't really enough you know I'm not adding them in at the moment. So for the moment

01:23I've put them with the British tech tree if in the future they get more vehicles maybe they could go

01:26in their own tech tree but I just thought I'd put them here because this is sort of the bare bones

01:31what is basically needed for the British at the start. So I think they should be quite good

01:38here until a decision is made on whether they get their own tech tree or not. But before I ramble on

01:43too long we'll get straight into the video. Now the first tank we're looking at is the ram or the cruiser

01:50tank ram. We're going to do all the variants of the ram tank and then we're going to do all the

01:55variants of the next tank because they're a bit split all over the place along the tech tree so

02:02it's to stop us interrupting going to different tanks and all that we'll just do the Canadian

02:06cruiser tank ram mark one first. Now when Canada entered into World War Two, it's all

02:12quoting from my book a bit here, it didn't actually have any tank units and the first Canadian tank

02:18training was done on old World War One tanks from America from yeah American sources. But it

02:25was not long before the Canadian railway industry was asked by the UK if it could manufacture and

02:29supply Valentine infantry tanks. Proved to be a major task for the Canadians who had virtually

02:36had to virtually build up a tank manufacturing capability from scratch. Like I said quoting from

02:42my book but the Valentine's of infantry tanks and new cruisers Canadian tank units would need

02:47cruisers for armoured combat. Little prospect of getting them from the UK. The US wasn't involved

02:54in the war so the only thing to do was design and build tanks in Canada. Like I said I was quoting

02:59from my book mostly there. But yeah that's the sort of situation Canada was in. Couldn't get

03:04tanks from anywhere other than the UK and the UK was obviously quite busy after Dunkirk so they

03:11decided to build their own ones. Now they just I think in the end I'm trying to read it here

03:17the Canadians decided to adopt the main mechanical hull and transmission components of the M3

03:24but allied them to a new turret mounted a 75 millimeter gun. This never actually happened

03:30unfortunately but the first tank the Ram Mk1 got a two pounder gun a 40 millimeter

03:37weapon. Now obviously because it's a two pounder gun I've put it in tier one

03:42with all the other two pounder tanks really. Now the armour of the Ram Mk1 I'm trying to find it

03:50was about 25 to 87 millimeters so not too bad. One of the weird things about this tank it seems

03:57to have like a little second turret in the front of it. I don't know why it does or at least in

04:03some of the early variants. Not entirely sure like I said not entirely sure why they did that.

04:09One of the reasons they didn't just adopt the M3 completely was because of the sponson light

04:14mounted armament instead of turret mounted armament then they go and add something as

04:18archaic as a separate machine gun turret which you know looking at previous British tanks didn't

04:24particularly turn out too well. Secondary armament was three 7.62 millimeter machine guns

04:34could top speed of 25 miles an hour it doesn't say if that's off-road or on-road

04:42but after the Mk1 they obviously needed to upgrade it gun-wise and they decided to upgrade it to a

04:48six pounder gun. Now there's two six pounder guns here we've got the Mk3 and the Mk5

04:55now from what I understand the Mk3 was a shorter barrel of the Mk2 well it was the

05:01tank version of the Mk2 but had a shorter barrel length 43 while the Mk5 was a tank

05:08version of the Mk4 which had a length 50 barrel. Admittedly my knowledge of tank guns isn't

05:15great but I'm pretty sure the longer the barrel it's generally meant to have better penetrating

05:19power so obviously this you know the Mk5 is a bit should be a bit better than the

05:27Mk3. Now the Mk3 I've put tier two or the Mk2 with the Mk3 six pounder I've put tier two

05:37while the Mk2 with the Mk5 six pounder I wasn't sure if to put it in tier three or tier

05:44two I've put it higher tier two for the moment but it probably could go up a bit more if it

05:50needed to maybe I'm still sort of changing the tech trees about a little bit not entirely sure

05:56you know I've put it higher tier two just to be on the safe side. Unfortunately the

06:02tanks were never used in combat because basically the M4 Sherman was now produced and it was coming

06:08off of the production lines and you know there was enough to equip all of the allied armies.

06:15Just quoting my book again thus the rams were used only for were used for training only.

06:22As they were withdrawn many had their turrets removed to produce the ram kangaroo a simple yet

06:27efficient armored personnel carrier while it widely used in the post June 1944 campaigns.

06:33Some were used as light artillery observation posts some were put through experimental and

06:40trial purposes I'm quoting here such as mounting the mounting of a 94 millimeter anti-aircraft gun

06:45on top of the hull would have been would be nice to see that but unfortunately I doubt we will.

06:53Again quoting the rams greatest contribution to the conflict was the

06:59adaption of the basic ram hull to take a 25 pounder artillery piece which became the sextant

07:04like I said that could have probably been added in but I wasn't sure about self-propelled guns

07:11really so I like it seemed more like a self-propelled artillery gun and we don't really

07:15have them in War Thunder so I've kept it out of the tech tree. Seems like a decent enough tank only

07:22two variants well three if you count the different six pounder guns but I think it would do relatively

07:27well at least in the early tiers I think it's a good candidate for being added into the game.

07:33Now the next tank we're looking at is the cruiser tank Sentinel the AC-1 the AC-3 and the AC-4.

07:40I'll explain why there isn't an AC-2 in a minute again quoting from my books Australia's armed

07:45forces had virtually no modern tanks and lacked almost any form of heavy engineering background

07:50to produce them even an automobile industry was lacking this was at the beginning of the war so

07:55obviously not very much time to learn how to do it. The Australian government realized it was

08:02unlikely to get large amounts of heavy war materials from overseas so set to produce their

08:07own requirement among the requirements was tanks and that since there was no local expertise on

08:12the subject one engineer was sent to the United States and an experienced engineer was obtained

08:17from the UK so they've only got two experts they've got hardly any form of heavy engineering

08:24or even an automobile industry and they decided to set out to build tanks in 1939.

08:32With this experience at hand the Australian army issued a specification

08:38and the Australian industry set to with a will first tank design was known as the AC-1 Australian

08:43cruiser one and was to have a two pounder gun and two 7.7 millimeter machine guns and it was decided

08:50to use as many components of the American M3 tank as possible. A power plant was to compromise

08:57three Cadillac car engines and joined together and the extensive use was to be made of cast armor

09:04something that wasn't all that common then I don't think. A second model to be known as the AC-2 was

09:11mooted but by late 1941 as the Japanese became increasingly aggressive in the Pacific the AC-2

09:17was passed over and favored the existing AC-1. Now the armor according to my book for the AC-1 was

09:23about 25 to 65 millimeters in thickness which is weird because if you go online I've seen

09:31the armor being about from 65 on the hull and 45 at the rear of the hull but 65 millimeter

09:38all around on the turret so a bit of confusion on the minimum armor perhaps. I'll probably go

09:45with the book for the moment because books generally tend to be a bit more reliable but

09:50you know just so you're aware of the discrepancy that possibly exists.

09:57Now the first AC-1s were ready by January 1942 and that's when it was named the

10:01Sentinel. The whole project from paper work requests to hardware had taken only 22 months

10:08remember they didn't have a tank industry or even an automobile industry and they had to rely on

10:14two experts in 1939 and they did that in just under two years. You know that's just amazing

10:22really and they had to design all your according to this all the facilities to build the tank had

10:28to be developed even as the tanks were being built so they had to build the factories while they were

10:32building the tanks so that's just amazing but only a few AC-1 tanks were produced despite in 1942

10:39as the two pounder gun would be too small to have any effect against other armor

10:43and anyway the hurried design still had some bugs that had to be modified out of the design.

10:48Most of these bugs were only minor for the Sentinel turned out to be a remarkably

10:52sound design capable of considerable stretch modification. I'm actually surprised about the

10:58two pounder being considered not very good. Against the Japanese their armor was generally

11:04quite thin so I don't know if this was expected to go to Europe at some point. I'll have to look

11:09into that. So with the two pounder gun being seen as inadequate the Australians took the

11:15logical step and upgraded it to a 25 pounder gun. Yes an 87.6 millimeter field gun barrel in the

11:24turret to overcome the shortcomings of the two pounder. They decided a 40 millimeter gun wasn't

11:30any good so they just doubled the caliber of the weapon in the turret because I mean when you think

11:37Britain used to go 40 millimeter to 57 then to 70 and then Australia's just gone from 40 to 80.

11:45I'm not sure how well the 25 pounder was at actual anti-tank work. I've heard they

11:49were used in the anti-tank role sometimes but I'm not sure how well they did in that role

11:56which is why I've put it um tier three um low tier three because I'm you know I could go to tier two

12:01it depends how good the gun is I don't know I don't know what it looks like the 25 pounder gun

12:05either I haven't been able to find any pictures but um the 25 pounder was chosen as it was already

12:12in production locally but it was realized this gun would have only limited effect against armor

12:16like I said um I don't know how when it would be against the Japanese it seems it would be quite

12:21useful but um the Sentinel AC-4 a 17 pounder anti-tank gun was proposed and a prototype was

12:29built this was during 1943 but you know the Japanese by then the Japanese weren't going to

12:35invade Australia and obviously it was a lot less rushed um you know they didn't have to get it into

12:41service so quickly um sort of quoting here the hurried introduction of the AC-1 into service

12:46had receded um and again like with the Canadians M3s and M4s were coming off the production lines

12:53in such numbers that there would be more than enough to equip to equip all the allies including

12:57Australia thus Sentinel production came to an abrupt halt in July 1943 in order to allow the

13:02diversion of industrial potential to more important prototypes the Sentinel series was a remarkable

13:09one not only from the industrial side but also from the design viewpoint the the use of an all

13:14cast hull was way ahead of design practice elsewhere and the ready acceptance of heavy

13:19guns like the 25 pounder and the 17 pounder was also way ahead of contemporary thought

13:24um but the Sentinel series had little impact at the time for the examples produced used

13:29for training only which I think is quite sad they made this really good tank way ahead of

13:35many other nations and it was just never used because logistical reasons and you know production

13:42it was kind of sad I mean the ram was a good tank but I think the Sentinel does have a light

13:48sort of special place well not special place but you know I do admire the fact they managed to

13:52build that in 22 months from design to building and then upgrade it to such good guns um it's

13:59just amazing um I forgot to mention it earlier it could also do 30 miles an hour so faster than the

14:05ram um yeah it's a very good tank um it's kind of a shame it was never used in combat unfortunately

14:14now for the tech tree um I've put the um Sentinel or the AC-4 Sentinel at tier 4 because the 17

14:20pounder gun um that's going to be quite powerful um it's got decent armor um seems to have a good

14:26speed um I think it would do very well there um in that tier um that's the highest tier commonwealth

14:33vehicle in my list um and I think it would be a great addition to the game and you know show

14:39people the contributions that the Canadians and Australians and other commonwealth nations made

14:45um even if it wasn't necessarily through production of tanks um and such um but yeah I think they would

14:52all of these tanks would be a very good addition to the um tech tree or the British tech tree or

14:57War Thunder in general

15:02now the video actually went on for a bit longer than I expected or quite a bit longer but um I

15:06wanted to sort of go into detail on these tanks because um they are sort of the tanks that don't

15:11really get remembered unfortunately because they were never used in combat um and never produced

15:17in very large numbers um the ram sometimes gets noticed because of the it was used in other roles

15:23you know as the sexton as the ram kangaroo the um sentinel I didn't heard of it until I bought

15:29this um book years ago I just had no idea they'd even bothered building a tank um so I hope um

15:35this gives you an idea of what commonwealth tanks could be added into the game I hope it gives you

15:39an idea of what commonwealth tanks were designed and built if ultimately not used during the war

15:46um I hope you've enjoyed the episode um leave a like if you like the videos um subscribe if you

15:52like watching these sorts of videos uh leave feedback or information could always do with

15:57more feedback and I you know if I've got something wrong and you want to correct me then feel free

16:03to put it in the comments um yeah thank you for watching I'll see you next time

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