This week Chris Deacy is joined in the studio by Chelsea Little to discuss the films; Bridesmaids, Shrek, Beaches, and The Imitation Game.
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00:13 Hello and welcome to Kent Film Club. I'm Chris Deasy and each week I'll be joined by a guest from Kent
00:19 to dive deep into the impact certain films have had on their life.
00:23 Each guest will reflect on the films which have meant the most to them over the years
00:27 and every week there will be a Kent Film Trivia where we quiz you at home
00:31 about a film that has a connection to the county.
00:34 And now let me introduce you to my guest for this week.
00:37 You may recognise her voice from hosting KMFM Breakfast but she is also an author and actress.
00:43 She is Chelsea Little.
00:46 Hello, hello.
00:47 Great to have you on.
00:48 Great to be here.
00:49 To see you rather than just hear you.
00:50 I know and the face behind that weird voice is out in the abyss.
00:53 I didn't say absolutely to the weird bit but to the voice.
00:57 I don't know your film choices but I can see that you've gone for Bridesmaids.
01:02 Yes.
01:03 Why did you pick this?
01:04 I have watched this film so many times. I come back to it again and again.
01:08 I think it's because of who I went to see it with and that memory lasts with me.
01:13 Obviously there's loads of hilarious moments in it but I went to see it with my mum and my nan.
01:18 My nan's not really normally into movies and things like that but we dragged her along
01:22 and said it would be a good feel-good film.
01:24 In the end everyone spent the whole film laughing at my nan laughing rather than at the film itself.
01:29 She laughed so much that her false teeth fell out.
01:31 This is the thing. Watching a film with somebody, I've got memories of seeing films,
01:36 not even necessarily films that I would have liked or my sort of genre,
01:40 but you remember the people, you remember the episodes.
01:43 Admittedly not on that scale, the teeth dropping out, but it really matters.
01:47 So you saw Bridesmaids at the cinema.
01:49 Yes.
01:50 Did that make a difference?
01:51 I think so. Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of films are really great to enjoy at home
01:55 or on a laptop or on the go but I think there is something really special about going to a cinema
01:59 and seeing it on a proper screen and seeing it in full scale.
02:02 Especially if you've seen, I mean this isn't an action film,
02:04 but anything that's quite colossal and has big movie cinematic moments.
02:08 But it's just nice to go and see it on a big screen. It feels a bit more indulgent.
02:12 I feel like you can focus more on it. You're not on your phone, you're not scrolling,
02:15 you're not multitasking. You can kind of get into it and I think the comedy lands better as well.
02:19 And of course you review films for your podcast.
02:22 Yes I do.
02:23 And so will you watch the film completely blind and then say wow this is amazing
02:27 and then you review it afterwards?
02:29 Or are you strategic in why you would go and watch a film like Bridesmaids?
02:32 Or indeed was it your nan's choice for example?
02:35 Well Bridesmaids specifically was actually my mum's choice and we made it a little girlies trip.
02:40 But I think what's quite nice with films, especially nowadays there's so much on offer,
02:45 it's quite nice to throw yourself in to watch something you wouldn't normally watch.
02:48 I mean this is very much up my street. Female led comedy, light hearted, fabulous tongue and cheek,
02:53 with iconic female characters as well that I quote on the daily.
02:56 But it's quite nice to say one of your friends will drag you into a film that's maybe sci-fi
03:00 that you wouldn't normally watch or you go and see a horror which scares me beyond belief.
03:04 It's quite good to indulge yourself in the different genres going blind and actually be surprised by a film.
03:09 And I think that was my nan with this. I don't think she expected to enjoy it
03:12 because we just said it's an American comedy and she was like oh.
03:15 And then went to see it and loved it and made everyone else laugh.
03:17 Absolutely and that sort of infectiousness I think is what really makes a film special
03:22 when you're with an audience and they're laughing at the bits that you wouldn't necessarily find funny
03:26 but then something will happen like it did with The False Teeth.
03:29 And it completely reframes the way that you see the film.
03:33 Presumably you've watched it since.
03:35 Yes, definitely.
03:36 But remember that original viewing experience.
03:39 Yeah, it's so good. And there's just so many quotes.
03:43 So are there particular scenes, characters, you mentioned quotes.
03:46 What for you, if you had to distill the essence of the film, what would it be?
03:50 What are the quotes that you use? What are the highlights of Bridesmaids?
03:53 There's a quote I do far too much on The Breakfast Show actually which is the aeroplane scene.
03:57 I can't for the life of me remember the actress's name off the top of my head
04:00 but it's the main female character, the main protagonist, who is an incredible comedian can I add,
04:05 alongside Melissa McCarthy.
04:07 And she basically gets given tablets that make her a bit loopy by accident
04:12 because she's really nervous about flying.
04:14 And she comes into the first class section where all of her friends are
04:17 and I'm going to have to reenact it.
04:19 She's got sunglasses on and she's like, "I'm ready to party!"
04:25 Like full top of the lungs, in the middle of the aisle, with the rest of them.
04:29 And it's just so funny and it's so quotable.
04:31 I think we've all had that moment with one of our friends where they've just gone off
04:34 and you're just like, "What is happening?"
04:36 And it just makes me belly laugh every time.
04:38 And me and Gary quote it to each other all the time on The Breakfast Show.
04:41 Well I did see A Bad Moms Christmas and I had to ask for the ticket
04:46 and I realised that everyone else was going in groups and they were all female.
04:49 I was like, "I review films but it's like, come on."
04:52 And I remember at one point, the whole row in front of me,
04:55 that they took a selfie of each other just halfway through the film
04:58 and I thought, "I'm probably in it."
05:00 And I just thought, "This is very surreal."
05:02 So it sounds like your experience of bridesmaids was quite similar.
05:05 Yeah, 100%.
05:06 But there are lots of films like this and there were male versions of Well That
05:09 that came out around this period.
05:11 But what do you think made this so iconic?
05:14 This even, am I right in thinking, got an Oscar nomination?
05:17 Yeah, it did.
05:18 It sort of went in a way that films like this,
05:21 much imitated but never accomplished this.
05:25 What is it that makes this so distinctive?
05:28 I think definitely as a female in my mid to late 20s,
05:31 I think it's so relatable to that period of your life
05:33 and I think every individual character within that film,
05:36 we've all got a friend that ticks one of those boxes
05:38 and I know that sounds really cliché but when we watch movies,
05:41 we try and relate them to ourselves
05:43 and I think a lot of people relate to the protagonist
05:45 who's feeling a bit lost, left behind, life's a mess.
05:47 Your best friend is kind of your centre point, your anchor really
05:50 and they're all of a sudden going off, making new friends, how dare they?
05:53 And you're trying to figure it out in between
05:55 and I think every single character is flawed, they're messy,
05:57 they're not perfect, sometimes they're quite unlikable
06:00 and I think that's what makes them likable,
06:02 is that they're this bundle of mess together, making us laugh
06:05 and you're like, "Do you know what? That's me, that's my daily life."
06:07 And I think that's what made it such a success
06:09 because a lot of, especially young women, I think,
06:11 would look at this film and go, "Oh my goodness, that's me."
06:14 It definitely sounds like my demographic as well.
06:16 Well, it's time now to move on to your second chosen film, Chelsea,
06:20 and you've gone for Shrek.
06:23 I can... This is saying so much about me.
06:26 I love a lot of very intellectual and hard-hitting films as well
06:29 but Shrek is just a classic, isn't it?
06:32 I mean, how can you not love Eddie Murphy as Donkey,
06:35 Cameron Diaz as Fiona?
06:37 I always forget that she's the cast for that.
06:39 Can't remember the actor's name for Shrek, which is awful of me.
06:42 Oh, Mike Myers. Mike Myers, there we go.
06:44 Name always slips my tongue.
06:45 But I think there's something really special about an animation.
06:48 I watched it as a kid, obviously, but I still watch it as an adult
06:51 and, again, it's quotable, it's funny, it's light-hearted,
06:54 it's an easy watch, the music is fabulous,
06:57 the characters are just so well-timed and put together.
07:00 I think from an acting perspective, I love this as an animation
07:03 because it's something I'd like to explore myself in doing voiceover
07:06 and things like that and I think to have such extreme characters
07:09 as they are in this, it would be so fun.
07:11 And what I remember standing out for me, because this was, what, 2001?
07:15 Yeah, it's a long time ago now.
07:16 And I remember that Eddie Murphy, for a voiceover,
07:20 received a BAFTA nomination, I think, Best Supporting Actor.
07:24 And that never happened before because, as you say, it's a spoken part
07:27 but you've just given away why because it all works together
07:30 because normally you wouldn't get a nomination for an acting role
07:33 where you are disembodied, but the film works
07:36 because of the chemistry between those leads.
07:38 100% and I think the chemistry is what lifts the film off the page
07:41 because, essentially, they've just got some drawings in front of them
07:44 or a picture, they might not even have that, they might just have the script
07:47 and they've got to bring that to life and then the animation is going to match that.
07:50 And, specifically, the character of Donkey, I just love so much.
07:53 Again, so many quotes that just slip into my daily life,
07:56 like, "Look at that boulder, there's a nose boulder."
07:59 The intonation he uses, that voice you attach to that character.
08:03 It's like radio, when you hear a voice, you attach it to a certain thing
08:06 and I think that's the power of this. And it's just so funny.
08:09 And also because when I saw this at the cinema in 2001,
08:12 I was actually up in Newcastle, actually, I was at a conference
08:15 and I went to see it and people were like, "You're going to see an animated film?"
08:18 And it obviously shows where my real leanings are
08:21 because for me it's like, "Well, yeah, of course."
08:24 But when I saw this, I could never have imagined that there would be
08:27 a stage musical many years later.
08:29 - Have you seen it? - I haven't. You have, obviously.
08:32 It's so good. I've actually auditioned for it before,
08:36 for the role of Fiona, which, I mean, I actually would love to play Lord Farquad,
08:39 but I'm never going to be put forward for that.
08:42 But Lord Farquad steals the show in the musical.
08:45 Spoiler alert, it's a man on his knees for the entire show
08:48 and that in itself is just comedic genius because you can literally
08:51 see his legs behind him. There's just so many key moments
08:54 that lift off the page again with music and it is such a musical animation.
08:58 The music punctuates the film so much with different moments,
09:02 even just like where Shrek and Donkey are singing going into Lord Farquad's castle
09:06 or the music that Fiona sings, that punctuates every single one of the films
09:10 following from this as well. So that made me love it more.
09:14 Obviously I had to see the musical because I loved the film.
09:17 Well, actually, following up from that, can you watch the film again now,
09:22 having seen the musical, does it take the shine off the film
09:26 or does it enhance it?
09:28 I think because they're different mediums, I appreciate them in different ways.
09:32 I think I probably like characters more in the musical.
09:35 Fiona isn't a very likeable character in the film, but actually in the musical she is.
09:39 And I actually saw Kimberley Walsh play her, which is madness,
09:42 and I love Girls Aloud, so I was like, 'Woohoo!'
09:45 But I think because of the different mediums, you appreciate them in different ways.
09:48 But I think the script, the storyline and the characters, they sell themselves
09:51 and you can enjoy that, whether that would be a book, a film, an audio format or a musical.
09:56 And does it bear repeated viewings? In other words, is this something that you can watch repeatedly?
10:00 Is it one of your go-to films?
10:02 It's one of my insufferable films where I could sit there and quote it line by line
10:06 and no one will now watch it with me because of that.
10:09 So this is not something... Yeah, so if ever it's showing on the big screen...
10:12 Yeah, everyone's like, 'No, no.'
10:14 The combination of you, yeah, after your experience with your nan,
10:17 maybe stay away from the big screen.
10:19 Yeah, and of course there are sequels to this film now.
10:22 What are your thoughts on that? Not just sequels generally, but in relation to Shrek.
10:26 Do you kind of feel that that's good? Is the magic recreated or is it a little bit diminished?
10:31 It's an interesting one because I think sequels can quite often get quite a bad rep
10:38 because I think what they do is a film will have incredible success
10:42 and then they try and recreate that magic again.
10:44 And as an actor, I can appreciate how difficult it is to make that happen.
10:48 And it is very reliant on the chemistry between the characters, the storyline,
10:52 and the newness and the excitement of something being brand new
10:55 and no one having an idea of anything.
10:57 Ironically, I would normally say I don't like sequels.
10:59 I'm not a big fan of them. I try and avoid them.
11:01 But Shrek 2 is just as good as Shrek in its own right,
11:05 and it has a completely different storyline and it catapults them off into a whole new direction,
11:08 which I think is why it's a success.
11:10 But I think the third and the fourth and I think there's a fifth and on and on and on,
11:14 that's where they started to lose it a little bit,
11:16 where they need to know where the end point is.
11:18 But then it's hard because you get that emotional attachment to something as well.
11:21 But I actually love Shrek 2 just as much as the first,
11:24 which I've never said about a sequel before.
11:26 So maybe that's why it's so special to me.
11:28 Fantastic. Well, that's about all the time we have for this first half of the show.
11:31 However, before we go to the break, we have a Kent Film Trivia question for you at home.
11:37 Which classic Brendan Fraser film was partially shot at the Chatham Historic Dockyards?
11:44 Was it A) George of the Jungle, B) Journey to the Centre of the Earth, or C) The Mummy?
11:51 We'll reveal the answer right after this break. Don't go away.
11:55 Hello and welcome back to Kent Film Club.
12:09 Just before the ad break, we asked you at home a Kent Film Trivia question.
12:13 Which classic Brendan Fraser film was partially shot at the Chatham Historic Dockyards?
12:19 I asked, was it A) George of the Jungle, B) Journey to the Centre of the Earth, or C) The Mummy?
12:25 And now I can reveal to you that the answer was in fact C) The Mummy.
12:29 The scene depicting the leading characters boarding a boat at the beginning of the adventure
12:33 was actually built at the dockyards.
12:36 Did you get the answer right?
12:38 Well, it is time now, Chelsea, to move on to your next chosen film.
12:42 And you've gone for Beaches.
12:45 Yeah, probably a surprising one actually in comparison to the other two films that I picked.
12:50 This is a film my mum introduced me to when I was younger. We watched it together.
12:54 It is such a beautiful story of friendship.
12:57 There are real highs, there are real lows.
12:59 It's definitely a rollercoaster of a movie.
13:01 You need your tissues. I've sobbed.
13:03 It's that kind of in-your-gut, painful Marley and me level sob.
13:07 But it's such a gorgeous film and a journey through life
13:11 of two very different people, two very unlikely people that came together.
13:15 It's very special to me because it's something I watched with my mum.
13:17 My mum loved it, she watched it with her mum.
13:19 And again, it's that cyclical thing. And I also just love Bette Midler.
13:22 Well, I saw this at the BFI last year.
13:25 Not for the first time, because it's a film I really do like.
13:27 It's gorgeous.
13:28 And it came out in 1989.
13:30 And The Wind Beneath My Wings, her version of it, which is used in the film.
13:34 Films don't always reduce me to tears, but it's really poignant.
13:37 That song, it gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.
13:40 It's a beautiful tune.
13:42 And I actually used it a few years back when I auditioned for drama school
13:46 because I love the song so much and it makes people feel something.
13:49 And what really works in this is that they're from different sides of the tracks.
13:53 They're mismatched people, but they come together.
13:56 Their lives sort of like co-mingle, they come together.
13:58 And of course, they also go apart and they come back.
14:01 And one of them not just has a relationship with, but actually marries
14:05 the relationship partner of the other one.
14:08 And you're sort of watching it, and actually similar maybe to what you're saying
14:11 about Bridesmaids as well, but you're kind of watching it and thinking,
14:14 "Yeah, that kind of fits."
14:15 Or we all know either personally or somebody where something like that has happened
14:19 and it has that universality.
14:21 Yeah, 100%.
14:22 I think it's, again, it's that relatability to it.
14:25 I think there's something really beautiful in, like you said, two people
14:28 from completely different sides of the tracks coming together
14:31 and each having something to offer for the other.
14:33 Like, for example, I'm quite an extrovert in my friendship group.
14:36 You know, one of the big characters, I have to be for my job.
14:39 But one of my best friends is incredibly introverted.
14:41 And what she offers me is a sense of, like, calm and peaceness
14:44 where I don't need to perform and we can just hang out and be us.
14:46 And I encourage her to come out of her shell, out of her comfort zone
14:49 and try new things, and I think that's what these characters do.
14:52 Definitely I think Bette Midler's character has a very complicated ego
14:55 to deal with versus Barbara's, which is a lot more calm and docile.
15:00 And she offers this kind of kindness and gentleness that probably
15:03 that hasn't appreciated.
15:06 And it is an old film, but it doesn't feel old.
15:09 Visually it looks old, obviously for the effects because of how much
15:12 movies have progressed, but I think the storyline is something
15:15 that anyone can enjoy.
15:17 Yeah, and for me the bit that stands out is that they fall out,
15:20 not for the first time, not for the last time.
15:23 But then they haven't--
15:26 There's obviously this falling out between them.
15:28 But then my recollection, you'll correct me on this,
15:31 is that Barbara Hershey's character then walks into a set,
15:34 and she's watching Bette Midler on stage or something,
15:37 and then Bette Midler sees her there and she's like, "What are you doing here?"
15:40 And there's this frostiness, but then it's like they come together.
15:44 And of course at one point they were sharing an apartment.
15:47 And actually even just to put it out, I feel really quite moved by that
15:49 because there's something in there.
15:51 They haven't gone away for a long time, but actually they're poles apart
15:54 in so many ways, but there is something there that clicks,
15:59 and right to the end and indeed beyond death.
16:02 The sacrifice for the daughter as well, isn't there?
16:04 Exactly, and I think it's a story of love, and not in a way that we normally get it.
16:07 And I think that's why it's so relatable and why I loved it anyway
16:11 is because actually, yes, we talk about romantic relationships quite a lot,
16:14 but actually some of the most important relationships in your life
16:17 are with your friends or your sisters, because they are basically like sisters.
16:20 They fight like sisters, they love like sisters.
16:22 And I think nowadays we're exploring more of that,
16:25 even in things like animation, like Frozen is a story of the love between two sisters.
16:28 And I think that's what this film did.
16:30 And also it kind of feels with the use of Wind Beneath My Wings as well.
16:34 You know, Bette Midler is a wonderful performer,
16:36 and has a huge extrovert personality, but also it kind of works for the film
16:42 because it feels like, it's not her life, but it kind of feels like it's a role
16:47 that only she could play.
16:49 Yes, 100%. And I think those are the gems as well as an actress,
16:52 to bring it back to the other side of my life.
16:55 Your goal in life is to find a role that feels so right that it could only be you.
17:00 And whenever you approach a role, it's about what version of this person,
17:03 this character that I'm going to play, would I be?
17:06 And so when you step into the shoes, it's like, what would this person be?
17:09 But with a bit of my hat on as well.
17:11 And I think that's what Bette does in this character.
17:13 You know it's a character, but it very much just feels like the essence of her.
17:17 And so is this something that you would watch time and again?
17:20 Is it the sort of film that sometimes you wouldn't want to watch?
17:23 Because it really touches.
17:25 Some of the other films you've chosen have been more light-hearted.
17:28 There are great comedic moments in this.
17:30 But is this a film that would really impact you?
17:32 Do you feel very emotional watching it?
17:34 Is it something that you will really set aside for a time
17:37 when you're really in the right zone for this?
17:40 If you're having a tough time or you're down and out,
17:42 I wouldn't recommend watching it, just because it is a bit of an emotional rollercoaster.
17:45 But also, sometimes it's good to have just a big fat cry.
17:48 And I think that's what this film does.
17:50 And it's also like a moment to bond with people.
17:52 Now and then, it isn't something I'd regularly schedule in,
17:54 just because I love it so much.
17:56 But also, it is quite emotionally taxing,
17:58 because it is such a beautiful movie from start to finish.
18:01 Spot on.
18:02 Well, it is time now, Chelsea, to move on to your final chosen film.
18:05 And you've gone for the Imitation Game.
18:09 I know.
18:10 Again, Rogue, this is a very different side of me.
18:12 I love history.
18:14 It's a subject that fascinates me so much.
18:16 And I love movies that are made on moments of history.
18:19 I know a large part of it is going to be fiction and fact merged together.
18:23 But I think Benedict Cumberbatch as an actor is sensational anyway.
18:27 And I think he really came to his own in this movie.
18:29 But there are some gorgeous quotes.
18:31 And this movie just really hit me in a way that I didn't expect it to.
18:35 Me and my dad quote from the film all the time,
18:37 "It's the people that no one imagines anything of
18:39 that do the things that no one can imagine."
18:41 And at the time, I was literally just a fresh graduate.
18:44 I watched this film.
18:45 And that really hit me and travelled through with me
18:48 in this unexpected person, this unexpected collection of people
18:51 that did an amazing thing that ended up stopping a lot of horrendous things
18:54 but also that responsibility and secrecy that was woven within the film
18:57 and their situation of the people that it happened to in real life.
19:00 And I find it is a long film and it's quite fact-heavy,
19:02 but I get really sucked into that world.
19:05 And I find it so interesting.
19:07 And being able to live out a moment that we know happened to an extent,
19:12 I find it really interesting.
19:13 Absolutely.
19:14 Do you want to say a little bit for anyone who hasn't seen this
19:16 about when it's set because obviously it's a second world war?
19:19 Yeah.
19:20 And it explores the journey of Alan Turing
19:22 who essentially created the Enigma machine which cracked the code,
19:25 which essentially saved us in the war,
19:28 which is mind-blowing that this one person's brain could--
19:32 especially throughout the film, not to spoil anything,
19:34 but he's so persistent and a lot of people are knocking him back
19:37 and knocking him back and they don't believe in him and his mechanism.
19:40 And he persists with it and is relentless with the pursuit
19:42 of knowing that he can make this happen.
19:44 And then also the consequences after that of knowing,
19:46 okay, well now we've cracked it, we can't actually act instantly.
19:50 We have to be strategic in how we use this incredible machine
19:53 that we've created.
19:54 He was homosexual in a time that it wasn't supported and encouraged
19:57 the way it is nowadays.
19:58 And the sufferings that he went through is awful and unimaginable.
20:02 And I think that brings that to home in a very poignant way as well
20:05 that you've got this brilliant mind that's also a tortured mind.
20:07 He was the perfect actor, I think, to portray that.
20:09 Yeah, absolutely.
20:10 And I'm thinking as well in terms of hidden figures,
20:12 also even Oppenheimer, about that sort of sense that somebody
20:15 might have done something in their time which could have gone either way.
20:20 What if history had gone differently?
20:23 But we kind of look back and see that they persisted,
20:26 that they could easily have given up or they could easily -
20:29 and in his case with the personal story, you're right,
20:31 with Alan Turing and the apology that came rather belatedly in the day.
20:36 He did these fantastic things and yet he was effectively branded a criminal.
20:40 Yeah, which is mind-blowing and I think it's one of those things
20:44 that is quite - I think it's important to expose yourself
20:47 to stories like this as well to see that a lot of the time
20:50 we do look back with rose-tinted glasses at history and at moments in time
20:53 and actually don't appreciate the full perspective
20:56 or the full story of what was going on and then also take inspiration
20:59 from it in the sense that a lot of people that made such incredible moves
21:03 and statements within history actually never got the glory.
21:07 And I think that is something we definitely should carry more
21:09 into modern society without deeping it too much.
21:11 I think we're such an instant fix and an instant gratification world.
21:15 To think to watch stories like this, to know how relentless they were
21:18 in the pursuit of what they were passionate about,
21:20 actually is really interesting when a lot of us will tap out quite early on now
21:23 because we're not getting that glory.
21:25 I mean, he didn't get the forgiveness within his lifetime,
21:27 let alone the glory for what he did.
21:29 Yeah, and so did you sort of find that you knew more about him
21:33 or wanted to find out more about him through the film
21:35 or were you already familiar with his story
21:37 and found the film an interesting counterpart to that?
21:40 My dad was always really interested in history,
21:43 so both Roman and Grecian history and then the World War.
21:46 So I grew up watching a lot of documentaries
21:48 and hearing a lot of things about it.
21:50 So I had a top-level understanding of who Alan Turing was,
21:53 what the Enigma machine was and how important that was
21:56 within the transcendence of what happened in the war.
21:59 But I think it's definitely one of those things.
22:01 And I love that when you watch a film and you know that it happened
22:04 in a period of time, that you can then go and research
22:07 and nerd out a little bit, as I like to call it,
22:09 to go, actually, who were these people?
22:11 What actually happened to them?
22:13 There was a female on the team, things like that
22:15 that were just so shocking at the time.
22:17 I like that moment where you can bond with someone
22:20 and be excited about something
22:22 that you weren't previously interested in.
22:24 Yeah, and also if this film had been made 10, 20, 30 years before it was,
22:28 it wouldn't have had the same sort of resonance.
22:31 So in a way, there's that sort of historical revisionism, really.
22:34 100%.
22:35 And also I'm guessing that even when you've watched the film more than once,
22:38 you've probably got something new out of it,
22:40 or it's made you go back to the source, in a way,
22:43 but certainly to learn more about Alan Turing himself.
22:45 100%.
22:46 And I think you're given such a limited vision
22:49 of what happened when you learn things at school
22:51 because they don't have the time, so they give you little pockets of things
22:54 and you can go along your way and maybe you get really interested
22:57 in the Egyptians or the Tudors or even different subjects, geography, art.
23:01 And I think what's beautiful about the medium of film
23:04 is it brings all of those things together
23:06 and then it can bring up interests that you probably weren't otherwise familiar with
23:09 or didn't expect to have, and I think that's what is really interesting
23:12 about this film is every time I have watched it,
23:14 and I have watched it about three or four times now,
23:16 is that it does bring up different subjects and different areas of interest
23:19 or even just different thought processes to say,
23:21 "Oh, how would I have approached that in life?"
23:23 Because you do apply it to yourself and the situations to yourself as well.
23:26 I love the female character in that she's just really not interested in marriage.
23:29 She's a brainiac, a career girlie, and I love that as well.
23:31 Fantastic. Well, wonderful choices, but I'm afraid that's all the time we have for today.
23:35 Many thanks to Chelsea Little for joining us and being such a brilliant guest.
23:39 And many thanks to you all for tuning in.
23:41 Be sure to come back and join us again at the same time next week.
23:45 Until then, that's all from us. Goodbye.
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