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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching Kashif Abbasi with another Zimni election.

00:16This is the first Zimni election on 21 seats and the Muslim League has achieved a clear

00:20victory in these elections.

00:22The claims of victory have been accused of fraud by Tariq-e-Insaf.

00:26What is the importance of this Zimni election?

00:29Tariq-e-Insaf claimed that they won the elections on 8th of February and the Muslim League

00:33claimed that they won the elections on 8th of February.

00:35Tariq-e-Insaf claimed that they won the elections on 9th of February.

00:38There were a lot of questions raised on the health of the Muslim League on 8th of February.

00:44People came to the TV programs with a lot of Form 45s and showed that Form 45 says something

00:51else but someone else was declared as the winner through Form 47.

00:54This election was important because the allegations that were made on the 8th of February elections

01:00if the Muslim League had won the elections as a result of a fair election, they would

01:04have said that these are just allegations and we won the elections on 8th of February

01:10and we have also won the by-election.

01:13Tariq-e-Insaf's statement might have been a little weak but there were some questions

01:18raised on the credibility of these elections and Tariq-e-Insaf has rejected them.

01:23Tariq-e-Insaf's statement might have been a little weak but there were some questions

01:28raised on the credibility of these elections and Tariq-e-Insaf has rejected them.

01:31There are a lot of videos in which people are being accused of being a presiding officer

01:36and a lot of allegations were made on their side.

01:39There are a lot of videos in which people are being accused of being a presiding officer

01:42and a lot of allegations were made on their side.

01:45But this will remain a secret until there is an investigation and a conclusion is reached.

01:52Why was the credibility of the elections important?

01:55A lot of debates and allegations and disagreements on the 8th of February elections

02:02are probably settled to a large extent.

02:05But in this country, no one wants or asks for the credibility of the elections.

02:10Then, as I said, the internet was shut down.

02:13Not only the internet was shut down, but videos were released and people were arrested

02:17because of Tariq-e-Insaf.

02:18Because of this, there are a lot of questions raised on these elections.

02:22I have seen a lot of statements.

02:24Mario Nawaz Sharif has said,

02:26We bow our heads to Allah in gratitude.

02:28Shubhash Sharif has also thanked Allah.

02:30But are these slogans hollow?

02:32Is there any credibility of these slogans and celebrations in this environment

02:39in which these elections were held?

02:41Elections have lost their importance in Pakistan's politics.

02:46It is possible that people of Tariq-e-Insaf do not come out.

02:49Because they do not see any benefit of this election.

02:52This could have been proven at a time when there were no questions raised on the health of the elections.

02:58It would have been better if elections were held, transparent elections were held

03:02so that people do not get a chance to speak or criticize.

03:06But now, on the one hand, there are claims of victory.

03:09On the other hand, there are allegations of fraud.

03:11Sheikh Faqah Sakram Sahib is present from Tariq-e-Insaf.

03:13Bilal Kiani Sahib is present from Muslim.

03:15Thank you very much.

03:16Thank you very much, Mr. Daniyal Aziz.

03:18Let's start with Mr. Daniyal.

03:20What do you think about this election?

03:24Which direction will you go in this election?

03:27Will you accept it or not?

03:29Because there was an election in your area as well.

03:31Thank you very much.

03:32First of all, I would like to say that Mr. Kashif,

03:35we should talk with facts.

03:37There is no point in making hollow allegations.

03:39This is the list of the presiding officers

03:42in PP-54, where Ahsan Iqbal Sahib was leaving his seat

03:46and making his son fight.

03:48There are 155 presiding officers in this list.

03:51This is the list that was trained a few days ago

03:55by the Election Commission.

03:58There are 326 people in this list.

04:02There are presiding officers and assistant presiding officers as well.

04:06So, this list of 326 people,

04:08who were trained,

04:09it is obvious that

04:10these people were supposed to be the presiding officers.

04:12Otherwise, why would they be trained?

04:14So, in this list of 155,

04:16only 6 people were trained.

04:18Thank God, there are 6 people trained.

04:20Okay?

04:21No, you understand what I am saying.

04:22I understand what you are saying.

04:23I mean, from here to there,

04:24the people who were trained,

04:26they were trained.

04:27And then the same thing happened

04:28on the day of the election,

04:29that they went and broke the polling,

04:30and the presiding officers sat quietly.

04:32They told us that they had put a copy of 100.

04:35So, what should I do?

04:36We told them to remove the 100.

04:37I can't do that.

04:38It is a matter of my job, sir.

04:40Thank God, you removed the 100.

04:42No, no, wait a minute.

04:43Please hear me out.

04:44I agree with you.

04:45Your viewers should know what happened.

04:47It is very easy to say that

04:48there is a forum,

04:49you can go and investigate.

04:50You can remove someone's head

04:52and send him to the hospital.

04:53Very good.

04:54What kind of a joke is this?

04:55I mean, there is a lot of hatred in this country.

04:58And I have a little disagreement with you.

05:00You said that

05:01the February 8th election,

05:04the PTI people were arrested.

05:05I was arrested.

05:06You were arrested.

05:07Yes.

05:08My wife was arrested.

05:09My son was arrested.

05:11My 21-year-old son.

05:13I know him very well.

05:14You know that.

05:15He was a young man.

05:16Did they sell heroin?

05:17What did we do?

05:18Exactly.

05:19I mean,

05:20it has become common

05:21to arrest decent people.

05:22And what did we do?

05:23I had collected Rs. 20,000

05:25to fight the election

05:26according to the law.

05:27Give me my money back.

05:28Why did they arrest me?

05:29Do you still know

05:30that my followers don't accept it?

05:32They say that

05:33we are not getting the FIR.

05:34This is the situation.

05:35So, what did they arrest me for?

05:37They arrested me for two days.

05:38Only till the time

05:39that I can't demand the counting

05:41of the results.

05:44Because they knew

05:45that they had filled the bags.

05:47This is the situation.

05:48And this has still happened.

05:49You see,

05:50you can guess

05:51that this is a by-election

05:52at many polling stations.

05:5497% turnout.

05:55Can it ever happen?

05:56You think for yourself.

05:57I mean,

05:58it is an obvious drama.

05:59And the people who have been beaten up there,

06:01there is a government.

06:02In a village,

06:03I shouldn't have been there.

06:04It was very wrong.

06:05In their village,

06:06there was a personal fight.

06:08They hit something in their head

06:10and they died.

06:12They tried to take that thing

06:14and put it on their opponents.

06:17I salute them,

06:18their families.

06:19They said,

06:20no,

06:21we don't want to do this.

06:22We will put this on the truth.

06:23Mr. Iqbal had also been there.

06:24No,

06:25they were trying to pull everyone.

06:26So, this is police brutality.

06:28This is their way of doing things.

06:31There was a time

06:33when the Election Commission

06:35used to be strict

06:36that the ministers

06:37can't go to the development schemes

06:39and visit them themselves

06:40because they have an escort.

06:42Police escort.

06:43They can influence people.

06:44No,

06:45the poor people.

06:46They are influenced.

06:47No,

06:48they are suppressed.

06:49What influence?

06:50Use the word directly.

06:51They are suppressed.

06:52They take out their eyes.

06:53Okay,

06:54we will see you.

06:55Then your people will come.

06:56This is what happens there.

06:57You don't want education and development?

06:58Okay,

06:59how can a poor man

07:00go to the development schemes?

07:02He is struggling to

07:03feed his children.

07:04They are not paying

07:05their electricity bills.

07:06So,

07:07this is what they have done.

07:08They have done it everywhere.

07:10So,

07:1197% of the people

07:12who have been trained,

07:13you are saying

07:1497% is not there.

07:15I am not saying this.

07:16Please,

07:17for God's sake,

07:18this is a fact.

07:19These are notifications in my hand.

07:20You are saying paper.

07:21Yes,

07:22absolutely.

07:23So,

07:24what is the logic behind this?

07:25Tell me,

07:26why should anyone do this?

07:27After all,

07:28because of

07:29pessimism,

07:30or whatever reason,

07:31because of randomness,

07:32or whatever they did,

07:33with different methods.

07:34So,

07:35what is the reason

07:36that they did not

07:37select any of them?

07:38Okay.

07:39So,

07:40you should understand

07:41everything yourself.

07:42Mr. Jani,

07:43the allegations are

07:44only one.

07:45This is because

07:46it is a direct

07:47and personal

07:48part of the election.

07:49So,

07:50they are putting

07:51this allegation.

07:52This allegation

07:53has been heard

07:54from Gujarat,

07:55from Lahore.

07:56These allegations

07:57were made

07:58on the infamous

07:59elections of

08:002012.

08:01The elections

08:02commission

08:03made a new

08:04election for

08:05the whole

08:06party.

08:07If there is

08:08a flaw,

08:09it is the

08:10election commission's

08:11job to rectify it.

08:12Here,

08:13you are

08:14announcing

08:15the victory,

08:16but

08:17there is

08:18no weight

08:19in it.

08:20Because the

08:21allegations

08:22look very

08:23serious.

08:24Videos are

08:25coming out.

08:26Why didn't you see it in detail?

08:28In the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Merciful.

08:30Mr. Kashyap, thank you very much for inviting me.

08:32Look, the thing is, as you said in the beginning,

08:36people have forums, but what I saw yesterday by elections,

08:40largely by Pakistani standards, it was an uneventful election.

08:44Largely peaceful.

08:46The saddest incident that happened,

08:48which Mr. Daniyal just mentioned,

08:50was the murder of our worker, Muhammad Yusuf.

08:53So, if anyone in this election,

08:55should have any unpleasant incident,

08:59it should be us.

09:00Apart from that, you see, there was a lot of commotion yesterday,

09:02that in a small circle,

09:04first get him to sign Form 45.

09:05Later it was found that PTI's own people had also done it.

09:07And whoever did it, it was wrong.

09:09He shouldn't be made to do it first.

09:10But he got it done across the board.

09:12He is a member of the Election Commission.

09:13No doubt, they should take him to task.

09:15But apart from this, if you see yesterday,

09:17during polling, after polling,

09:19there were no major complaints.

09:20So, you are saying that the saving grace is that the election will be completed.

09:22No, look, even if it is completed,

09:24from the first moment.

09:25Is a fair election a symbol of this?

09:26After this, Mr. Kashyap,

09:27from the first moment,

09:28when the results have been announced,

09:29across all channels,

09:30it is clear that PMLN,

09:32from the first counts,

09:33PMLN has come forward.

09:34And till the end, you saw,

09:36that somewhere with more majority,

09:37somewhere with a little less,

09:38but PMLN has won everywhere.

09:40Granted, these are those seats,

09:41where on 8th, we also succeeded.

09:44And these are largely those seats,

09:45which our leadership has vacated.

09:47Ahsan Iqbal has vacated.

09:48Rana Tanveer has done it.

09:49Shahbaz Sharif has done it in Kasur.

09:51There are no such seats.

09:52Abhay Astaghfari has done it in DG Khan.

09:54But if you look at it,

09:55the voters of the same constituency

09:57have once again stamped

09:58that we have confidence in this Jamaat,

10:00in PMLN,

10:01and we have confidence in this candidate.

10:03So, if you were so sure

10:04that you will win this election,

10:05there is a larger argument for this.

10:08What was the need to shut down the internet?

10:11Look, Mr. Kashyap,

10:12why are there such news,

10:13that you are getting slaps,

10:14or videos are coming.

10:15I am sure you must have seen it,

10:16we are all watching it.

10:17Look, Mr. Kashyap,

10:18look at the polling.

10:19Get a fair election done.

10:20Your case would have been strong

10:21if you had come on 8th February.

10:23Look, Mr. Kashyap,

10:24fair elections have been done.

10:25If you have proof,

10:26then bring it in front.

10:27Look, it is not possible

10:28to make noise all the time.

10:29You are right.

10:30Listen to me.

10:31Look, I have absolutely

10:32Mr. Daniyal.

10:33He has the right.

10:34He should go and file a petition

10:35in the election commission.

10:36Nobody is stopping anyone.

10:37Look, listen to the second thing,

10:38Mr. Kashyap.

10:39In one National Assembly election,

10:41there are around 300-400 polling stations.

10:43Yesterday, there were elections

10:44in 21 districts of the country.

10:45There are issues in different

10:46polling stations.

10:47Of course, there are.

10:48There are issues in every election.

10:49But if you look at yesterday's

10:50by-elections,

10:51relatively speaking,

10:52by our standards,

10:53over the past few election cycles,

10:54were one of the most

10:55uneventful elections that we've had.

10:56In which even the PTI people

10:57can't tell you

10:58if a major has made

10:59any noise.

11:00They can't say anything.

11:01Look, the second thing is

11:02that you talked about

11:03mobile closures.

11:04This is definitely

11:05an unfortunate way

11:06of doing things

11:07in our country.

11:08But unfortunately,

11:09this is not just

11:10a matter of one election.

11:11This is definitely

11:12a lack of our security apparatus

11:13which we have to improve

11:14overall.

11:15But I think

11:16But you do it in Muharram.

11:17Sir, in Muharram,

11:18you are in a religious place

11:19where you are in danger

11:20of terrorism.

11:21Why are you in danger

11:22of terrorism in an election?

11:23Sir, yesterday,

11:24there was a murder.

11:25Not one, but three,

11:26four places where we got

11:27news of attacks.

11:28Where PTI people have

11:29attacked.

11:30Look, in this country,

11:31whether it's a cricket match,

11:32whether it's a foreign delegation

11:33visit,

11:34whether it's a procession,

11:35whether it's a Muharram matter,

11:36whether it's an election,

11:37these mobile signals are

11:38switched off.

11:39The security apparatus

11:40is in demand.

11:41But look,

11:42I wish,

11:43this is the first time

11:44on 8th February,

11:45I saw that mobile phones

11:46were switched off

11:47by election,

11:48which all of you won.

11:49Your biggest claim is

11:50that we all won by election.

11:51These local bodies

11:52lost the election

11:53in KKP,

11:54which is their stronghold.

11:55Nobody switched off

11:56any phone.

11:57But you have seen,

11:58Kashif sahib,

11:59recently,

12:00secondly,

12:01secondly,

12:02Kashif sahib,

12:03you have seen

12:04that unfortunately,

12:05over the past few weeks

12:06and months,

12:07there has been

12:08a wave of terrorism

12:09in this country.

12:10Dasu,

12:11Turbat,

12:12Neer Ali,

12:13Qawadar,

12:14Hoshki,

12:15there have been incidents

12:16where security

12:17from Alkar

12:18or intelligence

12:19or whatever it is,

12:20I don't know

12:21whether this was

12:22the basis,

12:23but they kicked it.

12:24Sir,

12:25security has been

12:26a thousand times

12:27worse than this.

12:28Where there were

12:29at least

12:30four to five incidents

12:31on average per day,

12:32still,

12:33there was no closure

12:34on the day of election

12:35or the day

12:36of general election

12:37or Zimli election.

12:38You are saying

12:39that you have

12:40some evidence

12:41from Alkar

12:42that these

12:43presiding officers

12:44had to come

12:45I am sorry to interrupt, Kashif sir, but last time it was a form 47 election, and this time

12:55it was a form 45 election.

12:56He was very upset about that.

12:57Now he has said that we should go straight to form 45.

13:00This is what happened.

13:01Of course, there would have been a problem.

13:02Because all of you would have picked up form 45 and been on TV channels.

13:05He said that it would have been a credible issue.

13:08So he said that we should go straight to form 45.

13:11Yeah, yeah.

13:41He said that it was an uneventful election.

13:44If you miss the 8th of February election...

13:46It was uneventful.

13:47It was uneventful.

13:48There were no riots in Pakistan.

13:50There were two elections on 8th of February.

13:53One was before 5pm, when we all won.

13:56The other one was after 5pm, when we were released.

14:00When we were robbed, robbed, everything.

14:03That was on 9th of February.

14:04Leave it.

14:05Leave it.

14:06Okay.

14:07No, the work started after 5pm.

14:08Some people lost their jobs before 8pm and some lost their jobs on 9th.

14:12Leave it.

14:13So that uneventful story ends here.

14:15Obviously, if there is peace the whole day,

14:18then you will be able to do the next election after 5pm peacefully.

14:22So that's a bad design.

14:23It's no one's favour.

14:25This election was not uneventful at all.

14:30I'll give you an example.

14:32Danyal Bhai has also given an example.

14:34I'll give you an example of Fiaz Chatha's election.

14:37Our MLA, Ahmed Chatha, won two seats.

14:40One was won by an MLA and he did MPA with 38,000.

14:42He left the ring.

14:44After that, he made his brother stand on it.

14:47It's been two months since he became the government.

14:49He wasn't there the whole year.

14:50Like me, both the seats were won in his absence.

14:53Mr. Ahmed Chatha.

14:54Now the interesting thing is that two months ago,

14:57a person who won with 38,000 in his absence,

15:00his brother loses with 15,000 tomorrow.

15:037,500 police officers are in one MPA's ring.

15:08At the polling station,

15:10they say it was an uneventful turnout.

15:12Those who didn't go to the polling station,

15:14their turnout was only 30%.

15:17Those who made them lead with 40,000-30,000,

15:21those who came there,

15:24their turnout was 60%.

15:27In one village,

15:30I'll give you an example, Varpal Chatha.

15:32There are five polling stations.

15:34Out of the four or three polling stations,

15:37the turnout was 30%.

15:39The place where the game was going to be played,

15:41the turnout was 65%.

15:42All of a sudden, he was more awake.

15:44He was relaxing and chilling.

15:46So, you can see this mischief in Gujarat.

15:49What happened in Gujarat?

15:51Our M.A. didn't arrest him.

15:52What did the M.A. do?

15:54He arrested Khurram and Munawar Majnu.

15:57There were already boxers there.

15:59Barrister Gauhar was telling me

16:01that he went to the polling station.

16:03Because people loved Imran Khan

16:05and people loved his representatives.

16:07When Chairman Gauhar went there,

16:09one innocent presiding officer asked,

16:13I had a total of 1,200 votes.

16:17They closed two boxes the next morning.

16:19They even sealed them.

16:20Sir, you are the barrister.

16:22Can I count the votes this evening?

16:25Okay.

16:26As far as the evidence is concerned,

16:28there are bags full of evidence.

16:30Obviously, Danyal Bhai came himself

16:32and brought the evidence.

16:34We are a party.

16:35There are bags full of evidence.

16:37This event will take place in a day or two.

16:39Everyone will come.

16:40They will bring their evidence.

16:42This will be the ground in Islamabad.

16:44The whole world will see it.

16:46The whole world will see it.

16:47The kids, the media, the social media

16:49will show it.

16:50Three people from the 92 channel

16:52were arrested.

16:53It is possible that someone from your channel

16:55was arrested.

16:56No, no.

16:57Do not lie to us.

16:58Do not lie to us.

16:59Do not lie to us.

17:00No, no.

17:01Do not lie to us.

17:02No, no.

17:03Do not lie to us.

17:04Do not lie to us.

17:06No, no.

17:07Do not lie to us.

17:08In different circles,

17:10those who were not released,

17:11those who were repeatedly sending footage,

17:13were caught by the cameras

17:14and reporters.

17:15The DSPs and SPs

17:16kept misbehaving.

17:17And General Secretary Umer Ayub

17:18said that when the SP was confronted,

17:19when the RPOs were confronted,

17:20he said that we are helpless.

17:21At that time,

17:22your presiding officer said

17:24He says we are helpless.

17:26There is a video of that too.

17:28Election Commission.

17:30We have a whole system of the party.

17:32We have ensured the whole day that someone responds.

17:34There was a cell in every ring

17:36that we would inform the Election Commission

17:38and check what is happening there.

17:40Aarish A. Sattu B. K. Sutti Peshi.

17:42Sir, I understand this.

17:44They say the law is blind.

17:46I think the Election Commission is also blind.

17:48Poor Dora is also blind.

17:50He is blind.

17:52Punjab's administration is also blind.

17:54Their government is also blind.

17:56What do they think?

17:58The people are also blind.

18:00I think you are wrong.

18:02People did not see the whole day.

18:04We did not see it.

18:06In this election,

18:08no one paid attention.

18:10I think someone should have done it.

18:12There are some things that we all know.

18:14It is very difficult to prove it.

18:16We all know that.

18:18Everyone knows what was happening in the 2018 election.

18:20South Punjab was becoming a mass.

18:22People were breaking down.

18:24Phones were ringing.

18:26I used to talk to Sheikh Sahib.

18:28He used to get phone calls.

18:30He used to say, join the party.

18:32He said, I don't want to.

18:34Azad left. He lost.

18:36Everyone knows this.

18:38But it is very difficult to prove it.

18:40When you say, go to the forums,

18:42it means that what is happening will be like this.

18:44Everyone knows what is happening on the forums.

18:46Nothing happened.

18:48I think you should have a reason for it.

18:50As I said,

18:52this reason was very important for you.

18:54The argument of form 47

18:56is over.

18:58Kashi,

19:00it is amusing to see

19:02that when people talk about the respect of votes,

19:04they are the same people

19:06who did not distribute their tickets in 2018.

19:08So, leave it.

19:10Sheikh Waqar Sahib did not sit down

19:12because he was not with him at that time.

19:14But the other people who are sitting here,

19:16yesterday there was a vote.

19:20If the Election Commission acts,

19:22then we will know whether there was a vote or not.

19:24No, no.

19:26Which vote?

19:28You tell me.

19:30That day, there was a lot of noise.

19:32He came at 5 in the morning.

19:34He came with a lot of boxes.

19:36He came himself.

19:38At that time,

19:40he was not able to see anything.

19:42You said that Sheikh Sahib

19:44was a victim in 2018.

19:46You said that Imran Khan

19:48was a fake minister.

19:50All his colleagues were sitting

19:52on a fake mandate.

19:54Qasim Suri was sitting

19:56on a fake mandate.

19:58He was a deputy speaker.

20:00And a person

20:02who was illegally

20:04sitting on the seat,

20:06the parliament will

20:08illegally dissolve him

20:10by making him sit on the speaker's seat.

20:12Then you agreed.

20:14No, no. I did not agree.

20:16No, no. I did not agree.

20:18I am saying that you have to agree.

20:20You have to agree.

20:22Sir, you have to agree.

20:24You have to agree.

20:26No, no.

20:28Sir, I am saying that you did not like it.

20:30That is why,

20:32you are making fun of the law.

20:34You have to agree.

20:36The real issue is

20:38that this argument is probably

20:40about who will talk on whom.

20:42No, no. I am talking about a separate issue.

20:44You criticized this country in 2018.

20:46No. If we do not like one thing,

20:48Qasim sahib,

20:50if we do not like the case

20:52of taking money from ISI,

20:54how can their minister sit?

20:56Sir, you have been there.

20:58You have been there.

21:00You are making an argument

21:02that if you are there, we are there.

21:04No, no. Sir, I am saying that

21:06people who have been around the block,

21:08they should be careful

21:10because they work with different people.

21:12These days, they have started talking about Imran Khan.

21:14No, no.

21:16There is a certain lot in our political system.

21:18This has become old.

21:20This is also old.

21:22This is also old.

21:24This is also old.

21:26What is the matter, sir?

21:28Till the RTS down will not be done,

21:30Imran Khan will not accept elections.

21:32Till the courts will not be in good position,

21:34Imran Khan will not accept any court result.

21:36It took the man two weeks to admit that what happened was wrong.

21:40When he understood that the water has passed through his head.

21:42So this is how it is.

21:43Now see, today it was discussed in the parliament.

21:45Naveed Kamal sir spoke very well.

21:47He spoke very constructively.

21:48Again, Omar Ayub sir.

21:50No, no, I am supporting him.

21:52They play both sides by the way.

21:54No, no, no.

21:56Azam Tarar sir spoke.

21:57Naveed Kamal sir spoke.

21:58See, the thing is,

21:59the public also expects that the people sitting in the parliament

22:03discuss issues among themselves,

22:05in the office, at home, wherever,

22:07that it will be reflected on the floor of the house.

22:09In that, surely, their other expenses are also included.

22:12But see,

22:13Isn't this a fundamental issue?

22:14No, no, sir.

22:15After a break, let's come to this debate.

22:17See, to say that you should leave the election,

22:19because you people have not left the election for four years.

22:22No, sir.

22:23You remember your politics of the assembly,

22:26because I myself used to go.

22:27Yes, yes.

22:28And why should you leave?

22:29This is your fundamental case.

22:31And the foundation of this parliament,

22:33the foundation of this government,

22:34or the foundation of that government,

22:35was on that case,

22:36that this is a fake government.

22:37No, but Kajal sir, see,

22:38See, even at that time,

22:39He has fixed the match.

22:40No, sir, now you tell me,

22:41even at that time,

22:42we had an objection,

22:43but even at that time,

22:44the leader of the opposition was talking about national issues.

22:47Even at that time,

22:48Imran Khan as leader of the house,

22:49Musallat Shudai Saeed,

22:50after the attack on Balakot,

22:51he is the person who didn't enter the room,

22:53because that person's ego did not allow him

22:55to sit in a room with the leader of the opposition.

22:57He is sitting inside.

22:58Now your ego is not getting up.

22:59Now your ego is not getting up.

23:00Sir, now let them make mistakes.

23:01No, you tell me,

23:02I was sitting inside for 10 minutes.

23:03Sitting inside,

23:04and they made fun of me.

23:05Sir, I am giving an example.

23:06Sir, leave it.

23:07Who made fun of whom?

23:08Leave it.

23:09Look, sir,

23:10the thing is,

23:11here, I am telling you,

23:12honestly,

23:13we want to play a constructive role,

23:14in which,

23:15whatever issues they want,

23:16they discuss in front of the parliament.

23:17Let's debate constructively.

23:18Let me take a break.

23:19What is constructive?

23:20Who is called a constructive role in politics?

23:23That if there is a debate,

23:24then you say,

23:25no, let's leave it,

23:26let's put it aside,

23:27let's move on.

23:28Let's leave the debate.

23:29Then they say,

23:30let's sit and talk constructively.

23:32Let's not go there,

23:33let's leave it.

23:34Let's go back to the election.

23:35Let's take a break.

23:36We will talk more about this after the break.

23:42Welcome back, viewers.

23:43The government's argument is

23:44that there should be a constructive debate in the parliament.

23:46Let's leave these issues and move on.

23:48On the other hand,

23:49the politician has also announced a protest.

23:50In such an environment,

23:52because you were on this side in 2018,

23:56and now you are on the opposite side in 2014,

23:59where you are in effect now.

24:01Can there be a constructive debate

24:03or was there a debate at the time

24:05when the election was held?

24:07Either the Muslim League

24:08or the parliament

24:09refused to go to the elections.

24:11The people's party conceded.

24:12The problem is

24:13that the fear

24:15of the party,

24:17the PMLN,

24:19is that the public sentiment

24:21is not in favour of the government.

24:24For this reason,

24:25I would like to shed some light.

24:27As you know,

24:28it has been declared in Pakistan,

24:30the government has declared

24:32that Rs 590 billion is being stolen.

24:35Do you understand

24:36what the difference is

24:37between Rs 590 billion and numbers?

24:39I want to tell you

24:40that Rs 590 billion means

24:42that Rs 18.52 per unit

24:45of your bill,

24:47Kashif Abbasi's bill,

24:49my brother's bill,

24:50his bill,

24:51will be less.

24:52This is theft.

24:53This is not a technical loss.

24:55This is not a line loss.

24:56This is theft.

24:57So this is going on.

24:58We have to collect it.

25:00There are still two months left.

25:02We have to collect Rs 58 billion.

25:04This is the Prime Minister's statement.

25:06Rs 58 billion.

25:07You should forget that.

25:08Now this new finance minister

25:10is saying that

25:12our collection is

25:141.7 trillion cases,

25:17half of which will be collected.

25:19He is also counting Rs 590 billion.

25:21And we have to

25:22get rid of the fiscal deficit.

25:24Those are receivables.

25:25They are nothing.

25:26The receivables are counted.

25:27We don't get them.

25:28Their plan is also zero.

25:30People have gone crazy.

25:32People are worried

25:33that electricity bills will come,

25:34which were not given in winters.

25:36That is why people

25:37wanted to speak through their vote.

25:38They wanted to give their message.

25:40They said that

25:41we are increasing the tax net.

25:43The same old amnesty

25:44that for two weeks

25:45as many retailers as possible

25:46should come.

25:47Do you know

25:48how many retailers are there

25:49in the whole of Pakistan?

25:50Fifty.

25:51In the whole of Pakistan.

25:52Failure after failure.

25:54They are doing everything

25:55as if they are idiots.

25:57Now when they wrote

25:58a manifesto on economy,

26:00PMLN,

26:01where was Aurangzeb

26:02at that time?

26:04So he wrote,

26:05Ahsan Iqbal,

26:06they have been fired

26:07from the middle.

26:08They don't even call him

26:09for meetings these days.

26:10The point is that

26:11if you read

26:12Government of Pakistan

26:13Rules of Business,

26:14it is written there

26:15that the work of

26:16the planning commission

26:17is based on economic coordination

26:18and economic policy.

26:20You tell me

26:21where did all that go?

26:23So inflation,

26:24wait a minute,

26:25this is the world of inflation.

26:26Do you know what is the rate

26:27of inflation in Afghanistan

26:28right now?

26:29In Afghanistan?

26:30Single digit man.

26:31No.

26:328% negative.

26:338% negative.

26:34Do you know

26:35that Sri Lanka

26:36went bankrupt two years ago?

26:38It was 60% inflation.

26:40What do you think

26:41is the rate of inflation

26:42in Sri Lanka right now?

26:43And have you seen their growth rate?

26:449%

26:45And growth rate,

26:46growing at 4-5%.

26:47And how much is it here?

26:48Do you know

26:49SPI has just come out.

26:50It is still stuck at 30%.

26:52And they are saying

26:53that we have to reduce

26:54the interest rate.

26:55This monetary policy committee

26:56that is coming on 29th.

26:57This is a

26:58filthy rich

26:59has to pay more

27:00and the poor

27:01has to pay more

27:02inflation tax.

27:03This is equal to this.

27:04And as far as

27:05theft is concerned,

27:06there is no solution

27:07here,

27:08there is no plan.

27:09It is a complete mess.

27:10And the public

27:11wants to answer this.

27:12They have done this

27:13through the police.

27:14Presiding

27:15a form 45

27:16election.

27:17It is a very

27:18sad thing.

27:19It is a very

27:20sad thing.

27:21The election

27:22of February 8th,

27:23even in that,

27:24I have been saying

27:25this for a long time

27:26that we should

27:27vote.

27:28You get

27:29one chance

27:30after five years

27:31that you decide

27:32how this country

27:33will run,

27:34whose policies

27:35will run,

27:36whom you like.

27:37And we say

27:38that we said

27:39on 8th February

27:40that no,

27:41your decision

27:42will not work.

27:43Form 47

27:44is a very

27:45sad thing.

27:46I have

27:47been saying

27:48this for

27:49a long time

27:50that we

27:51should

27:52vote.

27:53We

27:54should

27:55vote.

27:56We

27:57should

27:58vote.

27:59We

28:00should

28:01vote.

28:02We

28:03should

28:04vote.

28:05We

28:06should

28:07vote.

28:08We

28:09should

28:10vote.

28:11We

28:12should

28:13vote.

28:14We

28:15should

28:16vote.

28:17We

28:18should

28:19vote.

28:20We

28:21should

28:22vote.

28:23We

28:24should

28:25vote.

28:26We

28:27should

28:28vote.

28:29We

28:30should

28:31vote.

28:32We

28:33should

28:34vote.

28:35We

28:36should

28:37vote.

28:38We

28:39should

28:40vote.

28:41We

28:42We are saying that the people voted for us, and you are talking about a constructive debate.

28:50Why should we have a constructive debate with them?

28:53If we sit, we will sit with the man whose electricity bills they are increasing every day.

28:58We will sit with the man whose unit in our government is Rs. 17 and in their government it is Rs. 85.

29:03We will sit with that man, we will stand with that landlord whom they are humiliating,

29:09we will stand with the man whose supporting price they have reduced by 50%

29:14and even after that, the man with 6 acres of land is only allowed to buy 36 sacks.

29:19We are not getting that either.

29:20We are not getting that either.

29:21We are not getting that either.

29:22At a time when DAP is Rs. 14,500 and URIA is Rs. 10,000, we will sit with that poor man.

29:27We will sit with them and get humiliated.

29:29We will get defamed.

29:30We will stand with them and get humiliated.

29:31What kind of constructive debate is this?

29:33When you are our thief, you have stolen.

29:38You also steal, like I said you will do an election after 5 o'clock.

29:44You are thieves, so they throw you out before you know it.

29:47You have already seen the videos of them yesterday,

29:49where 70,000 to 70,000 police people have been deputed.

29:52After that there could not have been a constructive debate.

29:56You should not even expect there should be a constructive debate.

29:59Why? Because you are not doing anything to create an environment where they can do the exhibit.

30:36We will have to make very difficult decisions. They won't let you do it.

30:39PPLI is also sending me toffees.

30:41PPLI is also saying no.

30:43How will there be a strong debate?

30:45For that, we have to come up even more.

30:47I have a request. Even in the 16-month government,

30:49we tried to sabotage their IMF program.

30:53There was a flood disaster.

30:55Despite the economic challenges, we did that work.

30:57We also made a stand-by arrangement with the new IMF.

31:00Today, a very positive visit of a delegation from Saudi Arabia took place.

31:03Negotiations are going on with the IMF.

31:05The PIA is also being negotiated.

31:07The budget is also being formed.

31:08Economic reform is also being worked on.

31:10Now, if they want to be a part of that action in a constructive way, then they can.

31:13But if they think that their work will stop because of this attitude,

31:16then their work is useless.

31:18There will be legislation on the floor of the house.

31:20The executive will also do its work.

31:22So, if anyone thinks that you will stop something by doing this,

31:25then this will not happen.

31:27The second thing that Sheikh Sahib did,

31:29that we are standing with him.

31:30If we had to stand with him, we would have made a government.

31:32Did everyone invite him or not?

31:33With whom?

31:34With the people.

31:35Look, we are standing with the people.

31:37Number one, you are not ready to talk about their issues on the floor of the house.

31:40We are doing it.

31:41You are not giving us time.

31:42No, no, no, sir.

31:43No one has got more time than you.

31:44You get the record out today.

31:45With Ayaz Sadiq Sahib.

31:46With the speaker.

31:47With the speaker.

31:48Omar Ayub Sahib, start the speech.

31:49I don't know where it starts and where it ends, sir.

31:51They have had more time than the treasury benches.

31:53And they don't speak about the people's issues.

31:55If they come to that, then they go and tear their papers and start playing instruments.

31:59They got the opportunity to make a government.

32:01They don't do it on everything.

32:02They are selling toffees to the people at that time.

32:05They had the opportunity to make a government with them.

32:07He is also a mandated thief like you.

32:08He was not called the people's party.

32:09He is also a mandated thief like you.

32:10Look, then fine.

32:11Now you don't have to talk about any issue in the assembly.

32:14Your only fundamental purpose now is to seal the system until Imran Khan comes out.

32:18They have no other.

32:19Sir, they have no other incentive.

32:20On the basis of lies and theft, the country will fall.

32:22Sheikh sahib, I have listened to all your talks carefully.

32:24Come on.

32:25Come on.

32:26Sir, give me a chance.

32:27Give me a chance.

32:28Sir, the thing is.

32:29You are sitting in the government.

32:30You are busy.

32:31I am grateful.

32:32Sir, the thing is.

32:33Imran Khan's mindset has not changed even today.

32:36The work that he did in 2022 to sabotage the IMF program,

32:40this time he wrote the same letter.

32:42They have a single agenda.

32:44Until we don't get our way.

32:46Until we don't get Imran Khan out.

32:47Whatever the court decides.

32:48Whatever the decision.

32:49They will bring him out.

32:50Until they don't give us back the government.

32:51We will not accept anything.

32:52What is the punishment for this?

32:54Look.

32:55Look.

32:56Look.

32:57The thing is.

33:28The way judges wanted from their own institutions.

33:30The institutions first told the government to make an inquiry commission.

33:34The judiciary has given the names of whom to put.

33:37Then the judiciary changed its mind.

33:39Now it is in a situation where the government has expressed its complete obedience.

33:42You should make a comparison with this.

33:44The government's timings of this.

33:46When there was a reference against Qazi Faiz Saab.

33:48Two things have been given in that letter.

33:50One is reference against Qazi Faiz Saab.

33:52In that judgment and the second is the decision of the case of Justice Shaukat Zainuddin Siddiqui.

33:56Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui's case, you can see the attitude of PTI's government in both of those cases.

34:01And today our government's attitude is different.

34:03Shaukat Siddiqui's government was not there at that time.

34:05Sir, it was PTI's government.

34:07No, no, no.

34:09Sir, when the matter was in court.

34:11I agree with you that all the charges against judiciary, the charges that you mean,

34:17the attacks on that, any political party's government, this should not happen.

34:22In fact, you are discouraged, you are with the judiciary.

34:24And sir, 2-3 days ago, Rahul Hassan Sahib again held a press conference as secretary of information,

34:29not Sher Abdul Marwad, who is repeatedly asked to say something, but the next day he denies it,

34:34he calls him a good cop, a bad cop.

34:36Rahul Hassan Sahib, as secretary of information, held a press conference defaming the Chief Justice on a farce.

34:42Properly.

34:43That press conference's fundamental purpose was a farce.

34:45Sir, this is your own opinion.

34:47Please be careful.

34:49No, no, no.

34:52In front of the Supreme Court.

34:55No, no, sir.

34:56We will remember that.

34:57In front of the Supreme Court.

34:58Absolutely.

34:59We still have that stand.

35:00Absolutely.

35:01It was on a farce.

35:02Your stand is legitimate and others are not.

35:04No, no, sir.

35:05You have opened these doors.

35:07No, no, sir.

35:08You tell me.

35:09Okay, you tell me.

35:10Sir, you have opened these doors where politicians have got a free chit,

35:15that they can talk about anything against judiciary.

35:18Look, you will like a judge, you will like someone's decision, you will not like someone else's.

35:22No, sir.

35:23No politician should do this.

35:25This is our institution.

35:26The protection of this institution is paramount.

35:28Sir, the president took the man and went away from the institution.

35:30You see.

35:31You have put on a stage.

35:32Okay, I will tell you.

35:33Sir, you have put on a stage.

35:35Sir, this is an internal matter of the judiciary.

35:38Let them do it.

35:39They did it after all.

35:40They did it.

35:41No, no, look.

35:42In this institution, these matters, the problem is that you politicize.

35:46Be it them, be it you.

35:48Any political party, be it against the justice or against the judges, you target an institution.

35:54You got the benefit of the moment, but what was the loss?

35:58No, sir.

35:59It is open in every political mind.

36:01Whenever you want, you can pressurize.

36:03Look at the name of the judges.

36:05At that time, the Chief Justice had done a proper fight in the Supreme Court.

36:08And he was standing on it with a baton.

36:10No, it was your land.

36:11No, why not?

36:12It was an internal matter.

36:13No, you went to the door of the Supreme Court.

36:15The rest had told you.

36:16You became a participant in the fight.

36:18This means that the people with whom he was fighting, he had contacted you.

36:21You took all his knowledge and went to the door of the Supreme Court.

36:23Sir, why didn't that person stand up when the case was filed against him in the Supreme Judicial Council?

36:26Why did Qazi Faisal sir stand up?

36:27This is an internal matter of the court.

36:29Our problem is not whether it is right or wrong.

36:32I agree with you on many cases.

36:34The letter of six judges is not an internal matter.

36:36But this is an internal matter.

36:38What was the allegation?

36:39Look.

36:40Yes, yes.

36:41Wait a second.

36:42Wait a second.

36:43What was the allegation?

36:44You are talking about the case of the judges in the court.

36:47Whether it is right or wrong.

36:48These six judges are writing letters on issues outside the court.

36:51No, sir.

36:52They are not saying that this happened inside the court.

36:54They are saying that this happened outside the court.

36:56You have installed cameras in the judges' bedrooms.

36:59No, sir.

37:00Oh, sir.

37:01You have installed cameras in the judges' homes.

37:03Inside the bedrooms.

37:04Sir, first decide what you want to say.

37:05Sir, no.

37:06Sir, listen to me.

37:07Listen to me.

37:08I am very clear on this.

37:09No, Kashif Basit.

37:10Neither you should go to the court.

37:12No, sir.

37:13We will not go to the court.

37:14We will not go to the court.

37:15But you should make a distinction between internal and external issues.

37:19The court sorted out its issues.

37:22Mr. Mazhar Naqvi had to resign.

37:24Because.

37:25Mr. Ejaz-ul-Ahsan resigned.

37:27But the court was working internally.

37:30It was doing its administrative work.

37:32I thought that if they did not do anything wrong, they should be faced.

37:35No, sir.

37:36No, no, no.

37:37There is a major difference.

37:38At that time, there was a fracture in the court.

37:39Everyone said at that time that you should take your court in confidence first.

37:42We were doing the same thing that should have been done in the judiciary.

37:47What did you say?

37:48Their status.

37:49They will show the status of the judges.

37:51This is a bench fixer.

37:52No, sir.

37:53No, sir.

37:54I am not saying this.

37:55They have their own faults.

37:56What they did with the court.

37:57You mentioned Mr. Faisal.

37:58I agree with you 100%.

37:59Someone comes to you and says that you send a reference against a judge.

38:02Why?

38:03Learn to protect the court.

38:04It is everyone's job.

38:06I agree.

38:07To save the court from those people.

38:09No, sir.

38:10It was because.

38:11See, political judiciary is always coming in this country.

38:13If you say, then I have to talk openly here.

38:15Then there will be another program on it.

38:17How people were given ways to fight elections after 8-8 years.

38:20How your petition used to go and the People's Party line was issued.

38:23Everyone knows what has happened in this country.

38:25If we go to political judiciary, it is a very long process.

38:28It is a very long process.

38:31It should not happen in this country.

38:33I agree with you on this.

38:34Rather, I agree with everybody on this.

38:36Will politics be able to move forward without addressing the issue of Dhandli?

38:39Yes, this question.

38:40Not at all, sir.

38:41And in this, clearly, the opening of the bags is not such a common thing.

38:44Because, see, as long as you open the bags, your four elections have passed.

38:47Even if one or two are opened.

38:49Yes, right.

38:50So, this is not a common thing.

38:52Because, see, as long as you open the bags, your four elections have passed.

38:55Even if one or two are opened.

38:57Even if one or two are opened.

38:58Yes, right.

38:59So, why don't we make this law?

39:01If everyone is interested that it should be fair and free.

39:04We talk to this extent.

39:05So, we give everyone the right to open the bags and see what the problem is.

39:09Then everyone will be caught.

39:11Everyone will be caught.

39:13Then you don't even have to tell the returning officer.

39:15Because, when they know that the bags have to be opened, then they will stop.

39:19Bags are opened.

39:20No, where are they opened?

39:21They know that they will not be opened.

39:22Exactly.

39:23That is one more thing.

39:24Although, for four months.

39:25I am saying this for one minute.

39:26Mr. Daniyal, it is a 120-day ban, right?

39:28Yes.

39:29The tribunal, to decide.

39:30You will remember, after the 2013 elections, the bags were opened.

39:33Forget that.

39:34There was a 60-day ban on the Election Commission.

39:36If that did not happen.

39:37It won't happen.

39:38They will complete it for 120 days.

39:39Because, everyone thinks of the system.

39:40The system is a new law.

39:41Everybody thinks about the system.

39:42I am telling you, when you.

39:43You are the law, sir.

39:44We are an overly legislated country.

39:45You should not act on that.

39:46I want to tell your audience about the constructive work.

39:49If you want to do a constructive work, then do this.

39:52So if you have the right to recount, you should also have the right as a matter of law to

40:01open the bags so that these 5 years do not pass.

40:05And as soon as they open, these big wrestlers, they will not have a place to hide their shame.

40:10When you find out what is coming out of them.

40:12If we add punishment to this system, that if you are caught, then this will happen to you,

40:18irrespective of who it is, your RO, your Presiding Officer, whoever it is.

40:22But Mr. Kashi, one last thing, I think you are going to stop.

40:25I just want to say two sentences.

40:27I have a request for you and your colleagues through you.

40:31Kindly, what you have said is constructive.

40:33Please do a program on people's unemployment and inflation.

40:38This Pakistan is going to the boiling point.

40:40Do you know how much crime has increased?

40:42It has almost doubled.

40:43And in these villages, people are being murdered.

40:45In my village, in my area, 4 people have been murdered in the last 3 weeks.

40:49Sir, let's give a quick closing argument on this.

40:52Can we move forward without this?

40:54Can we fix these basic problems?

40:57Absolutely not.

40:58There is no question.

40:59On the basis of this country's democracy.

41:01And it should always be.

41:02It cannot be.

41:03You talked about punishment and reward.

41:05One-liner.

41:06Punishment and reward.

41:07Absolutely.

41:08If you do not do it in the system, the system will not grow.

41:10But to punish and to decide the reward.

41:12Become a man's son.

41:14Sir, one last question.

41:15A question of 10 seconds.

41:16Sir.

41:17In 2014, when Mr. Imran Khan came for a protest, you made a commission.

41:20Is it possible?

41:21Or let's open it.

41:22No, sir.

41:23It is not possible.

41:24No matter how the country's system is.

41:25Let's follow it.

41:26Every time their will cannot be fulfilled.

41:27Look.

41:28There can be a constructive discussion in the parliament.

41:30We can talk about their concerns.

41:32We can talk about electoral reform.

41:34But if they think that they can mislead the government or parliament.

41:37This will not happen.

41:38Let's take a break.

41:39See you later.

41:41Welcome back, Naseer.

41:43If we want to run this country on the right path.

41:46We will have to fix the foundations of this country.

41:48We always shove everything under the carpet.

41:50It's done.

41:51Let's move on.

41:52And it happens again and again.

41:53It will happen in 2008.

41:55It will happen in 2002.

41:56It will happen in 2013.

41:57It will happen in 2018.

41:58And the next election will be the same.

41:59If we have to fix it.

42:00Fix the foundations of everything.

42:02Only then can we see this country in a place where the institutions are so strong.

42:07So that there are less deficits in the country.

42:10We have done this.

Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 22nd April 2024

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