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00:00 And I'm sure this experience in Spain is a very different experience.
00:02 I enjoyed my stay there.
00:05 Woah.
00:05 Good evening! How are you?
00:14 You are watching GMW Motif Trending.
00:17 The reason why, because hola hola, loco loco,
00:20 we are together with Mamat Spain today.
00:22 He's in the house, man!
00:23 Studio!
00:24 Come on, man.
00:26 All the way from Espanol.
00:28 Loco loco.
00:30 Loco loco.
00:32 Loco loco.
00:34 Yes, hola hola guys.
00:36 I'm Mamat Spain.
00:37 Okay, I think the first question, the obvious question we need to ask.
00:40 Where did you come from, Mamat Spain?
00:42 Because you don't look Spanish to me.
00:44 Really?
00:46 Yeah, bro.
00:47 Bro, you don't say, man.
00:48 Have you seen a Spanish in real life?
00:51 Uh, nah.
00:52 It's a good question, I haven't.
00:54 But I've seen La Casa de Papel.
00:56 La Casa de Papel is Money Heist in English.
00:59 They call it La Casa de Papel.
01:00 Yes, yes.
01:01 Okay, where I got this name, Mamat Spain,
01:04 is actually way back when I was in Spain.
01:08 In Espanol.
01:09 That time was COVID.
01:12 Oh, okay.
01:13 2020.
01:17 TikTok also started during that.
01:21 Remember, during COVID?
01:22 And everyone was making content.
01:23 So I was like, oh, my friend was sending me a link about this TikTok.
01:28 So everybody was doing content,
01:30 making content on TikTok.
01:33 I think what I can do inside this TikTok,
01:37 I mean, a content.
01:38 So I said, okay, I want to share my Spanish experience,
01:43 my knowledge,
01:44 my Spanish experience with my friends.
01:47 Then I said, okay, what should I put?
01:49 So I said a typical Malay,
01:52 you know, normal boy or normal guy.
01:55 So I said, okay, I'll just go with Mamat.
01:56 And because since my content is about Spanish knowledge,
02:03 so I said, okay, I decided on Mamat Spain.
02:06 So that's where I got the name
02:09 and how I zeroed down to what I want to call myself on TikTok.
02:14 I see.
02:15 So what does your wife call you?
02:17 My wife called me,
02:18 her name is too lovely.
02:19 You, Aunty, you feel like you hear it, you're like, oh my God.
02:22 It's a love story.
02:23 Because we also want to know her real name, right?
02:27 My real name?
02:28 Your real name.
02:29 Yeah, okay.
02:29 My real name is Nurizafi bin Abdul Kadeh.
02:33 That is my real name.
02:34 Okay, so after this, you guys are all tied up.
02:36 I've told you my real name,
02:37 so you guys, I'm going to lock you, I'm going to burn you.
02:39 Oh, thanks.
02:41 Together with the people watching right now,
02:43 you guys at home, be careful, don't go out of the house.
02:47 Okay, so the thing is,
02:48 this is the first time I've done this.
02:50 You guys don't laugh, I'm scared.
02:54 You're scaring me.
02:55 No, okay.
02:56 So recently, there was a podcast that became
02:59 a kind of conversation on social media,
03:01 a podcast that you did,
03:02 where you opened up a space to answer a few questions about your past.
03:05 And I think there's a lot of things in there that,
03:08 even though you've told us about it on the podcast that day,
03:10 there are still a lot of questions that came up from that podcast.
03:13 So today, we want to ask a little bit about it.
03:16 But before that, can you tell us a little bit about the podcast
03:18 and what you did that day?
03:20 Okay, the podcast,
03:22 what I did down here,
03:24 and what I wanted to do is,
03:27 basically everything goes back to Dato' Aaron himself.
03:32 Dato' Aaron is a long-time friend.
03:34 So, he saw my sincerity in changing to be a better person.
03:45 And he,
03:47 simply put, he opened up that path.
03:49 So, he allowed me to make my TikTok content in his office.
03:54 He called us, me and my wife, over to his place to sleep there,
03:59 eat there, and everything.
04:00 So, thanks to him,
04:03 I mean, that's why I'm here today,
04:05 because of my followers also.
04:07 But the podcast is also because of him.
04:10 He told them that you guys need to listen to my friend's experience in Spanish.
04:14 How did you get involved in that situation in the first place?
04:18 So, for those of you who haven't watched the podcast,
04:22 you've been to prison, sorry, how many times?
04:26 A lot of times.
04:27 And total imprisonment,
04:30 probably 18 years.
04:31 9 in Singapore and 9 in Spain.
04:35 9 in Singapore and 9 in Spain.
04:37 That's almost a decade in each country.
04:39 Yeah.
04:40 If you want to simply say,
04:43 if you look at that little boy,
04:45 he's 18 years old since he was a baby.
04:47 Yeah.
04:49 That's what I was about to ask earlier.
04:51 Because I watched the podcast clip,
04:53 you told us about your experience in prison.
04:56 That they have a drugstore in there.
04:59 Yeah, true.
05:00 You can buy drugs, you can even buy a TV there.
05:04 True, true.
05:06 In fact, if we look at the TV programs,
05:09 a lot of them wear a uniform inside.
05:13 Yeah.
05:13 But down there in Spain, you wear your home clothes.
05:16 You can ask your family members or,
05:19 for example, at that moment, my ex-girlfriend,
05:21 to bring back my clothes,
05:23 my comforter,
05:26 my bed sheets,
05:30 to wash and bring back.
05:32 And I'm sure this experience in Spain is a very different experience
05:35 from the prison system in Singapore, right?
05:37 I enjoyed my stay there.
05:40 To compare it with Singapore,
05:42 so it's like,
05:45 if I can compare,
05:46 for example, if there's a star in a hotel,
05:49 in Singapore, I'll give them 2 stars.
05:51 But in there, I'll give them 4 stars.
05:54 Bro, Spain gives you 4 stars.
05:57 We're the ones who are wrong.
05:58 In terms of welfare.
06:00 I'm not encouraging you to go there and stay.
06:02 In Singapore,
06:04 they treat everybody equally.
06:06 Clean and everything.
06:08 But because I've stayed there,
06:09 I'm just comparing.
06:11 Because if you've already stayed there,
06:13 it's a good place in Singapore.
06:14 They treat everybody equally.
06:16 It means,
06:17 your quantity of food,
06:18 like this, everybody eats the same amount of food.
06:22 They're giving, but nobody's special.
06:25 No favoritism.
06:26 No.
06:26 No favoritism.
06:27 And I don't like down there,
06:29 the last time I went there,
06:30 because Singapore is moving forward so fast that
06:34 they want you to have the...
06:37 They want you to be like,
06:39 "Oh, I'm not going to go to prison anymore."
06:41 In the first place, how can you get involved
06:43 in a situation that can lead you there?
06:47 Every individual,
06:49 nobody likes to be rejected.
06:51 Good women, good men.
06:52 Because sometimes,
06:54 during school days,
06:56 we sometimes,
06:57 "Hey, that group is stylish."
07:01 But you need to fit into the group,
07:03 then you can be part of them.
07:05 For example,
07:06 so like,
07:08 as a kid,
07:09 when you go through that phase,
07:13 sometimes it will leave a mark inside you.
07:15 For example, you want to meet with these type of people,
07:17 they say,
07:18 "Hey bro,
07:19 you should go out, bro.
07:21 You want to be with us, is that true?
07:23 You should see for yourself."
07:25 Or something like that.
07:26 So I think,
07:27 as much as we could,
07:29 we want to...
07:30 we don't want to feel that rejection in life.
07:34 So when you meet a group of people,
07:37 a group of friends who treat you well,
07:39 you know, that kind of thing.
07:40 You know, when you're a part of something,
07:43 how special is that?
07:44 We feel special when we're in that group,
07:47 regardless of whether it's a football or motorcycle group.
07:50 There's a lot of groups,
07:51 and only a certain group of people
07:54 that the law doesn't allow them to go further
07:59 because of the activities they're doing.
08:01 So would you say,
08:02 "Senang cerita" (easy to tell)
08:03 you mix with the wrong crowd?
08:04 They are not the wrong crowd,
08:06 but the activities that we do
08:07 is wrong on the island floor.
08:09 How old were you then, if you don't mind sharing?
08:11 Singapore, I think 19 years old.
08:13 19?
08:13 And this is very young.
08:15 Then subsequently, I went to prison.
08:19 That one was my first violent case.
08:22 Assault.
08:22 I assaulted someone.
08:24 Then it gradually went more and more and more.
08:27 Prison, I think, military prison,
08:29 I went in three times in Singapore.
08:33 And normal prison, another three more times.
08:35 Oh.
08:36 Wow.
08:37 Sorry if it takes us a moment to process,
08:39 but I have never heard a story like this in my life, you know.
08:42 And I've never been to jail, so I don't know.
08:44 Yeah.
08:45 Not to say I want to go to jail.
08:47 Just trying to lighten the mood here, right guys?
08:49 No.
08:50 I think, yeah.
08:50 It feels a bit tense right now.
08:51 I mean, unfortunately what you said is right.
08:53 Like, even if we look at human psychology,
08:56 every human has this intense need
08:58 in our subconscious of belonging to something.
09:01 True.
09:01 That is a basic human need.
09:03 But unfortunately, it doesn't matter if we're a group or not.
09:06 We're all accountable for our own decisions at the end of the day.
09:08 That's very clear.
09:10 But I'm also a firm believer in rehabilitation as well.
09:12 So I think that's very important.
09:14 So let me get the timeline clear.
09:16 So after military, then you had some gap,
09:19 and then it was all in Singapore.
09:20 No.
09:21 In Singapore, when we have to serve our national service,
09:27 when you went into prison, they will stop your time.
09:31 So they will stop, you go out of prison,
09:33 you continue that two and a half.
09:34 For example, I've done six months of my national service.
09:37 I went into prison, the military prison, for one month,
09:39 for the first time.
09:40 So they stopped.
09:41 So meaning, my friend will end in, for example,
09:44 December, end of this December.
09:46 So I'll finish next year, January.
09:47 So when I went into prison,
09:50 for example, the total of nine years,
09:52 so everything, they will stop.
09:53 They will stop, when I go out of prison,
09:55 they will call me back, I'll go again.
09:56 Even though I don't feel like going, I have to go.
10:00 So they start again.
10:01 Then they will stop, they start to stop.
10:03 So my national service is actually after 10 years.
10:05 Then I finish my national service.
10:07 And it's actually not finished.
10:09 They discontinued my service.
10:15 It's been too long.
10:16 No need.
10:17 We don't want you anymore.
10:19 You go back, that's it.
10:20 You're making it difficult for us.
10:24 You want to count the time I go out.
10:26 You go back.
10:27 Yes, I understand.
10:28 So I actually have some more service that I need to finish.
10:31 But they said, it's okay, you go back.
10:33 Okay.
10:34 No need.
10:35 I have a question.
10:36 So during this, at one point, you left Singapore to go to Spain.
10:39 But this is after everything was finished.
10:41 This is after everything was finished?
10:42 Yes, I went to Spain in 2008.
10:45 Okay, what was the reason for the move?
10:48 Why did you go to Spain?
10:49 I told you already, right?
10:51 I told you just now.
10:52 Remember I said that I went to Spain because I still love what I'm doing.
10:56 Oh, okay.
10:57 I see.
10:58 So it was to find a different environment.
11:01 I see.
11:02 So the last sentence in Singapore was a gangsterism sentence.
11:06 After five years, I finished that sentence.
11:10 I left.
11:11 In Singapore, we need to serve one year probation.
11:14 If you guys see, sometimes they use a tag on their leg.
11:17 Oh, yes.
11:18 So they know we are whereabouts.
11:20 So I cannot go back to my old place where I used to play.
11:24 Or places where I got into trouble and everything.
11:27 So they will monitor me like that.
11:28 After that one year, during that one year, I already asked some of my friends.
11:31 I think I need to leave Singapore.
11:33 I cannot.
11:34 Singapore, I feel like I'm like a bird inside a small cage.
11:39 I cannot move around.
11:41 My movement is being restricted, which I don't like.
11:43 That's why I asked around.
11:45 So they said, "Bro, good news."
11:47 Okay, tell me the good news.
11:48 What's so good about this news?
11:50 Tell me, tell me, tell me.
11:51 I said, "Okay, bro.
11:52 You go out, you can go out.
11:53 Let's go out of Singapore."
11:55 She said, "Bring me anywhere."
11:57 "Bring me anywhere, guys.
11:58 Just promise not to go to Singapore."
12:00 So at that time, I already decided that if I'm going to serve more prison sentences,
12:06 I prefer to do it outside of Singapore.
12:09 So they said, "Okay, you're going to Europe."
12:12 I said, "Baik! Europe, here I come!"
12:18 So that's the reason why I left Singapore and I went to Europe.
12:23 Interesting.
12:24 And this European prison, you can buy TVs.
12:27 Yeah, yeah.
12:28 It's next level.
12:28 But you must have money to buy.
12:30 The money that you have extra inside, they are peculiar.
12:32 For example, your family send you 500.
12:34 So one TV will cost around 220, for example.
12:37 So you said, "I want to buy a TVC."
12:39 So you need their authorization.
12:41 You write a request, a request form that you want a television.
12:48 They will send it to their department.
12:51 They will go through that.
12:52 They will say, "Okay, the budget is enough."
12:53 "Okay, probably in one week's time or five days, you'll get your TV."
12:58 Wait, wait.
13:00 Okay, so when you get the TV,
13:03 because technically, this thing is like you need money to survive in prison.
13:08 True.
13:09 Actually, you don't need money to survive inside prison because they give you food.
13:12 Yeah.
13:12 They have the normal, every prison in the world.
13:15 The basic food.
13:16 Yes.
13:16 They give you three meals a day.
13:18 There, they have this alcohol, they call it "Sint Alkohol."
13:21 It means beer without alcohol.
13:23 So they sell it inside prison.
13:25 Radler, Webern and Semigel.
13:27 So yeah, but without alcohol.
13:30 So because down there, it's normal to them.
13:32 So people still have the taste of beer, but it's without alcohol.
13:35 Okay.
13:36 Was it difficult to adjust with the lifestyle of the people there?
13:42 I was lucky even though I was in any country,
13:45 my family is not there, my friends are not there.
13:48 I still have their support, especially from my mom, my brothers, my family.
13:53 So they are always there with me no matter where I am.
13:56 Having that, my time there is not that hard.
14:00 Because the easiest way to manipulate a person is when a person is in trouble.
14:08 Or in trouble, he's vulnerable.
14:11 Yeah.
14:11 True?
14:12 True.
14:13 So some people know how to exploit.
14:15 "Okay, bro, don't worry, bro. Do you want money?"
14:18 "I can give you money, but you need to do something for me."
14:21 For example, I follow my mafia boss, a Chinese mafia boss there.
14:26 So in prison, there's a hierarchy.
14:30 So usually, that guy is outside, he's from the hierarchy,
14:36 so everyone knows him.
14:38 So we will listen to one person.
14:40 Or else, whoever is there for the longest time,
14:43 so it will zero down to that.
14:45 My boss is actually the person I met him inside prison,
14:48 my Chinese mafia boss.
14:51 After all the tests that he tested me,
14:56 he said, "Hey, who do you work with outside?"
15:01 I said, "I work with Danny."
15:04 "Oh, the Danny you work with, he works with me."
15:08 "Now you don't have to worry, you can work directly with me."
15:12 So it was like that.
15:13 So from that day onwards, my life in prison
15:17 has become easier because my boss got a lot of money.
15:21 Like I said, what's in the economator, the one at Mama's shop,
15:24 in his room, there's only half of it.
15:26 So my life in prison, for example,
15:29 to put it simply, it's easy from that moment.
15:32 So when I go out, I follow my boss.
15:36 Was it hard to leave?
15:37 Because you're part of a group now,
15:40 what was there, like, can you just walk away from his life?
15:44 If we know it's not easy to go out, right?
15:46 My boss died.
15:48 Oh.
15:49 My boss died.
15:50 Oh, I see.
15:51 Can I ask you a line writer question?
15:54 This is a light-hearted question.
15:55 Oh, light-hearted question.
15:56 Since we...
15:56 Should I laugh after this?
15:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:58 Since we're celebrating Eid right now,
16:00 we're celebrating Eid.
16:01 You must have celebrated Eid in prison.
16:04 How was the celebration in prison during Eid?
16:07 Oh, okay.
16:08 I miss Eid a lot when it's in prison because it's totally different.
16:11 But they have Muslims down there.
16:12 Most Muslims are from Morocco, Africa.
16:16 So they are the ones who celebrate.
16:18 So down there, we call it 'Eid Mubarak'
16:20 when we're in prison, we say 'Eid Mubarak'.
16:23 Because it's different.
16:23 In Singapore, we will listen to Eid songs.
16:27 But down there, there's no Eid songs.
16:28 Who would bring a Malay disc to sing Eid songs?
16:31 But I think when it comes to days like this,
16:37 all Muslims in the world celebrate it together.
16:40 Maybe you can tell us a bit about your own life,
16:46 from your past life to this.
16:47 You know, like...
16:47 Oh, okay, okay.
16:48 That moment, you know, that you switched.
16:51 Okay, my journey started when my son was already a teenager.
16:59 He was already in his teens.
17:03 It's normal for kids to be a teenager.
17:06 The teenage part, I still understand.
17:09 So when he started going out, fighting, going back and forth,
17:13 my mum started to scold him.
17:15 Because there was an incident where my mum found a pocketknife
17:20 in some of his schoolbag.
17:23 So every time she took out that pocketknife,
17:25 there would be another pocketknife inside.
17:27 So that's when I see that,
17:29 okay, this is the time that I need to step in.
17:33 And my son was involved in a writing case.
17:37 It was like, a lot of fights, like kids.
17:40 In Singapore, we call it writing.
17:41 Here, we call it 'Rusuhan'.
17:42 No, 'Rusuhan' is a different one.
17:44 Here, we call it 'Moshpit'.
17:45 Oh, 'Moshpit'.
17:47 That one, you go 'Glip'.
17:48 'Glip'?
17:49 I don't know. What do you call it here?
17:51 I don't know.
17:52 So, a group of kids were fighting.
17:54 I understand.
17:55 So, he was sentenced to court.
17:57 That was the time when my mother, we all talked.
18:00 I decided that I need to go back and give him my fullest support.
18:05 I want to tell him no matter what, I'm going to be there for him.
18:08 Whether he's good or bad, whether he has to go to prison or not,
18:11 let's see.
18:13 Then I go back down there.
18:15 Then I said, who do we ask for help from if he's already tried all means?
18:20 Because he will also...
18:22 So, my son was lucky.
18:24 And the person up there said,
18:26 "Okay, I think my son deserves a chance outside."
18:29 So, he didn't go to prison.
18:32 Then after that, he got married.
18:36 And now, I think he's a better person.
18:39 I think he's in a better place right now in his life.
18:43 If you could go back in time to a younger version of you,
18:46 when you were like, I don't know, 17, 18,
18:48 and give just one piece of advice.
18:50 Like what I gave my son,
18:52 is no matter what you want to do,
18:57 it's you who want to do it.
19:00 And how you want to do it or what, you decide.
19:03 I shouldn't...
19:05 We remember when time and...
19:08 If a friend said something, it's hard for us to say no.
19:11 True.
19:13 That's the no, it's hard.
19:15 "Oh no, what will my friend say?"
19:17 "What if she says, 'She can't be trusted.'"
19:20 So, that no, I think, like I said,
19:24 you need to do this because you want to do it.
19:27 Don't have this peer pressure.
19:29 Don't feel that you're pressured.
19:30 Don't feel that everybody's doing it, you need to do it.
19:32 No, no, no.
19:34 Decide something because you already weigh your options.
19:39 Then decide.
19:40 So, when anything goes wrong, you cannot blame others.
19:43 Blame yourself.
19:45 Don't say, "My father is wrong, my mother is wrong,
19:47 she taught me this."
19:48 No, it's you.
19:50 You decide.
19:52 If not, don't think about it.
19:54 In life, they say you need to make the fullest of your life.
19:59 Especially when you're young.
20:02 There's a lot of other things that you can do
20:06 during your youth age,
20:08 but you don't want to waste it inside prison.
20:10 You heard that?
20:12 There's more things you can do outside prison.
20:14 True.
20:15 It's true.
20:16 For example, you can learn Spanish on TikTok.
20:18 It's true.
20:19 Oh no, my mom's in Spain.
20:20 TikTok.
20:21 It's close.
20:22 Lucky for us, we're face to face.
20:24 We can learn right now.
20:25 Before we end our conversation today,
20:27 Tu habla espanol?
20:29 Claro.
20:30 You see, we learn something new every day.
20:33 You're a Spanish expert now, bro.
20:35 I think a little bit.
20:36 If you want to learn a lot,
20:38 I have all these simple words.
20:40 Not long sentences.
20:41 Because I'm planning to continue.
20:43 I have a YouTube channel.
20:45 I'm going to post long videos there.
20:47 Because on TikTok, no one likes to watch long videos.
20:50 They like 1-2 minutes.
20:52 Because they were just...
20:54 Skip.
20:55 Some people like to skip.
20:57 But they don't watch.
20:58 They just want to tell their friends that they like their video.
21:01 So you like my video, right?
21:02 I understand.
21:03 I'm just normal.
21:04 Everybody has done that.
21:05 So I try to make the video as short as possible.
21:08 I try to make my prank video shorter.
21:10 But I'm going to post all those long videos on my YT or FB.
21:14 I haven't decided yet.
21:15 And there are a lot of things that we're planning.
21:18 I mean, new things.
21:20 So people will be like, "Oh my God, something new."
21:22 If you guys want to learn a little bit,
21:25 I have something new there.
21:27 I do the thing I call...
21:29 Let's do it in Malay.
21:30 So...
21:31 Malay and Spanish.
21:34 I mix Malay and Spanish.
21:36 So my Ayah is in Malay.
21:38 But I'll put some words in Spanish.
21:40 I see.
21:41 So we're Melanyul.
21:42 That's interesting, actually.
21:44 But I have one last request.
21:45 Oh, is there?
21:46 One last one.
21:47 What is it?
21:48 Can you give us a Raya speech in Spanish?
21:50 Oh my God.
21:52 Okay, wait.
21:53 But the speech...
21:55 Don't make it short.
21:56 Give us a long speech.
21:57 Okay, hello everyone.
22:00 We're nearing the end of Ramadan.
22:04 I'm sure you guys are doing well.
22:11 Fasting and everything.
22:14 Eid is in a few days.
22:20 And I want to congratulate you.
22:23 Eid Mubarak.
22:25 Yes, sir.
22:26 Good luck to our producer.
22:28 He has subtitled what he said.
22:31 That's awesome.
22:32 I want to see when he posts it.
22:34 How will he find the subtitles?
22:36 Thank you so much.
22:38 Once again, to Mamat Spain...
22:40 ...for joining us for GMW Motif Trending today.
22:43 That's it.
22:44 We'll see you guys in the next episode.
22:46 Bye.
22:47 Bye.
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