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00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:03 Can you say hard hats, folks?

00:08 Hard hats, lunch pail, steel tool, boots.

00:10 Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.

00:12 Look at this boomer right here.

00:14 You've just got so much talent here.

00:17 Somebody said we need to apologize for Jamie.

00:19 Can I pull the John?

00:20 What are we apologizing for?

00:21 What did we say?

00:22 What did we do?

00:23 [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:26 [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:29 Hey, Bowie Manning here, back again

00:34 for the second straight night on The Garden Report

00:37 to finally wrap up All-Star weekend.

00:41 Not a really eventful one, but a disappointing conclusion.

00:48 Cam, just way by my side here.

00:52 Game that never generated any real competitive momentum.

00:56 Game that turned into more and more of a blowout

00:59 as it ran along into the second half.

01:02 Thought, as Joe Swayze said to me,

01:04 after halftime, that the third quarter might have been

01:06 an opportunity to tighten the thing up just enough

01:11 so that you could have that classic rush to the finish.

01:14 But you never got it.

01:16 East just poured on three, shot 73s in three quarters,

01:22 hit 41% of them, and pretty much cruised to the finish line

01:26 from there.

01:27 Damian Lillard piled it up from three, shot half quarters,

01:32 made them, won the MVP that way.

01:34 Jalen made it close.

01:35 Tyrese Halberton had the hot start

01:37 that got them out to the early lead.

01:39 So three strong candidates right there for MVP.

01:42 But pretty much everybody who talked after the game

01:44 sounded like Lillard was the right choice.

01:46 So everyone I'm sure in the comments

01:49 here is going to be complaining about the game

01:51 and how terrible it was.

01:53 I do think it's slightly surprising, Cam,

01:55 that after a lot of talk about making this a little bit more

02:00 competitive, there wasn't any real attempt to.

02:04 But this is the All-Star game at the end of the day.

02:06 This is what we've come to know.

02:08 This is probably one of the worst ones we've watched.

02:10 But when you get off to that slow, slow start

02:13 that these teams always do, this is how it's going to go.

02:18 Yeah, especially when you got Halberton

02:22 draining five free pointers in a row to start.

02:24 I mean, I just felt like it kind of got the Western Conference

02:26 thinking, man, we're going to really

02:27 have to defend the three-pointer, or at least

02:29 the half-court, Martin.

02:30 When you got Damian Lillard doing what he was doing,

02:32 the defense just wasn't there, man.

02:34 It just drove me crazy.

02:35 I mean, you could say it kind of went both ways.

02:37 But I just felt like the East was really

02:39 sad with that outside shot that the Westerns was not

02:41 trying to defend.

02:42 And I just think, man, I've been one of those guys who's like,

02:45 I know the All-Star game isn't ever all that exciting.

02:48 It's been a long time since we got a really exciting one.

02:51 But seeing this in person for the first time, man,

02:53 it was rough.

02:54 It was rough.

02:55 You saw the halftime video that Bobby and I posted.

02:59 Cam and I were talking about it earlier, how I was saying,

03:03 this is--

03:05 I don't know how else to mix this.

03:07 I don't know how the NBA can fix this,

03:09 especially after Adam Stiller saying that they went back

03:11 to this format to avoid this type of conclusion.

03:14 And we still got it, man.

03:16 It was just such a blowout game and just very uninteresting,

03:23 especially in the second half after halftime.

03:27 We just lost sway.

03:27 Bobby's on mute.

03:28 We're a disaster here.

03:29 I'll take it.

03:30 So Larry--

03:31 Yeah, go ahead.

03:32 Larry Bird put them on blast.

03:33 Earlier in the day, Larry Bird said, hey,

03:35 I'd really like to see a competitive game.

03:37 We're in Indiana.

03:38 I mean, sticking it to Larry Bird and saying,

03:40 respectfully, we're just not going

03:42 to have a competitive game here is pretty cheeks.

03:46 There were some individual plays that they're so gobsmackingly

03:50 good at basketball, you kind of forget how hard it

03:52 is to shoot from the logo or to dunk the way they did.

03:56 And I get that you don't want to get injured because you

03:58 don't want to play defense.

04:00 But I don't know.

04:01 I don't know who this product is for anymore.

04:03 I don't really know how you--

04:06 but isn't that the ironic thing that people keep tapping in?

04:09 I'm sure they're going to say that they

04:10 had unbelievable viewership.

04:14 So I don't know.

04:15 I think it's for teenagers, sponsors, and highlights.

04:19 And so it probably achieved that goal.

04:20 But it certainly did not capture my interest.

04:23 I mean, I sat and ate chicken fingers in the closet

04:26 for part of the first quarter.

04:29 It was pretty-- it was pretty boring.

04:33 I can't lie.

04:34 And I think Joe Sway turned to me at one point and was like,

04:37 yeah, I can't even pay attention to this anymore.

04:40 And I tried.

04:41 I was keeping notes.

04:42 I was trying to follow the game a little bit,

04:46 note some of the funnier moments.

04:48 He did have Bam throwing it off the Yoka's back on an inbound.

04:51 He did have--

04:52 The Luka thing, right?

04:53 --Yoka running out of transition.

04:54 The Luka missed the dunk, trying to do something crazy.

04:58 But they just didn't stack up enough.

05:00 And I thought you said it best, Joe Sway.

05:03 It was better.

05:04 You didn't even-- you didn't even

05:07 see these guys trying to do flashy stuff.

05:09 Because it was that one pass.

05:10 That's the thing, man.

05:11 It was the bounce alley-oo.

05:12 OK, you want to entertain us?

05:14 It was just a block.

05:15 OK, give us some nice alley-oo, some flashy shots.

05:19 It felt like one pass, shoot.

05:22 All right, now you go.

05:23 OK, oh, fast break.

05:24 OK, great.

05:24 You know what I mean?

05:25 You just didn't get that.

05:27 And I think it really boils down to defense.

05:28 I guess you need-- you need to make that happen.

05:33 Yeah, you need to be able to run off stops and stuff.

05:35 But you also need to be connected.

05:37 And the guys just didn't look connected at all.

05:38 And the biggest problem, honestly, Cam, I thought,

05:40 is they just jacked up a 3 every time they had one.

05:43 And that can speak to some of the debates

05:45 we have about this era and the way the game's played now.

05:48 But all of these guys out there-- and of course,

05:50 they're all perimeter players.

05:51 I thought Towns added a nice low post presence to this game

05:55 and kept the West in it as much as he could, frankly,

05:57 for most of the night.

05:58 But almost everybody else on the floor

06:00 tonight was just launching up a 3 the second they got it.

06:04 97 three-point attempts for the Eastern Conference.

06:07 That had to be so lazy.

06:10 For the East, go on.

06:10 And they shot 43%, just for the East.

06:13 The West went 25 to 71.

06:16 The West shot one free throw.

06:19 The East shot four different--

06:20 And that was the NBA play.

06:21 Are the NBA players just too good?

06:23 Is that what it is?

06:24 If they get hot, it's just like, look,

06:26 the offense is just through the charts.

06:28 Our defense isn't going to match that.

06:30 Is that really what it boils down to?

06:31 Because how else do you make this thing competitive?

06:34 I do think that, Bobby, to your point about the era

06:36 that we're in, other than Steph and Kyrie,

06:38 I can't really think of anyone with insane handles.

06:41 And it's clear that there aren't big-time dunkers out there.

06:44 So the possibility for highlights,

06:47 even if they weren't shooting threes,

06:48 I don't know if this group of all-stars

06:51 really has high-level talent when it comes to dunking

06:55 and dribbling the way we've seen in years past.

06:57 That's a new theory that I'm working on.

06:59 But I'm trying to think of who would cock back

07:01 an unbelievable alley-oop.

07:03 But I just, I don't know.

07:06 Maybe that's just not what they're built for right now.

07:09 - Yeah, and when you look at it right now,

07:12 it is a lot of isolation play out there.

07:13 So you pretty much had the guy coming out,

07:16 putting the shot up every time.

07:17 And it was exciting at the beginning, right?

07:18 The game got off to such a good start

07:20 with the halibut and heaves.

07:22 And that's what effectively allowed the East

07:24 to build the early lead that it did.

07:26 You got the crowd into it a little bit.

07:28 With those attempts, he shot a fifth one,

07:30 trying to make five in a row.

07:32 But then he missed.

07:33 And then he got out of the action

07:34 and other guys started taking their turns.

07:35 And then you didn't see him involved

07:37 until the end of the game.

07:37 And you saw a couple of stretches

07:39 where he tried to get other guys involved.

07:41 But it was mostly just guys taking turns out there.

07:44 And you had that little bit of excitement

07:46 at the beginning of the game,

07:47 the hometown guy hitting those big shots.

07:50 But man, did the crowd die just away from that point on.

07:53 I mean, by the time the third quarter came around,

07:55 it was a 20-point game.

07:57 You had zero, zero energy in this place.

08:00 Absolutely zero.

08:01 They were 10 times more excited for the t-shirt toss.

08:05 There were things in between,

08:06 like the turn of timeouts that this place got as loud

08:09 as it did all night.

08:11 You know, that just shouldn't be it, man.

08:13 Do they have to force these guys to play defense?

08:15 Like, is that what's next for the NBA?

08:17 Is it gonna be like, okay,

08:18 for the first six minutes of each quarter,

08:21 full court press, you have to do it.

08:23 Is that what the NBA's gonna have to do?

08:24 Because I just think they're running out of ideas

08:26 at this point.

08:27 And we may just be stuck with constantly complaining

08:31 year after year how different it is until, let's say,

08:33 like, I don't know,

08:34 similar to what happened to the dunk contest,

08:35 where you get one of those one-offs, like 2016,

08:38 and you're like, oh, well, that's the way it's supposed to be.

08:40 And then the next,

08:41 you have to wait another 10 years or so

08:42 before that happens.

08:43 - I don't think there's any secret sauce.

08:46 I do think the Elon Mending was really good

08:48 while it was in there, Bam.

08:49 And I don't know why they took it out.

08:51 Silver had some ridiculous answer about it,

08:55 about tradition and wanting to bring the game

08:57 back to its roots.

08:58 But this is terrible.

08:59 And it left nothing to watch in the fourth.

09:00 We all went downstairs

09:02 and just started getting ready for the post game.

09:04 And at least, even if it was a blowout

09:06 with the Elon Mending,

09:08 if the East starts to stall a little bit,

09:10 game gets a little closer,

09:11 the clock turns off,

09:12 so you can't just run the clock out.

09:14 And I wanna say the West,

09:15 I know you guys weren't watching close,

09:17 but they did get it within the 20 range late,

09:20 but there was just no time left.

09:22 I think Towns ended up scoring like 50.

09:24 So he was keeping his foot on the gas,

09:27 but there wasn't any time left to mount a real comeback.

09:30 I'm sure guys should start giving up.

09:31 The bench has started going in late in this game as well

09:34 to make sure everybody could get in and play.

09:36 So that Elon Mending,

09:37 I think is an obvious answer to get back in there.

09:39 East West is fine.

09:40 I do think I'd rather see Brown and Tatum go head to head

09:43 than have them taking turns on the same team

09:45 like they were tonight.

09:46 Both ended up having solid games,

09:48 but I thought last year,

09:50 those two and that stretch of isolation

09:52 where they were playing one-on-one

09:54 was the most exciting all-star memory of my life.

09:58 You lost that this year, which was a bummer.

10:00 - Yeah, I mean, that's,

10:03 I'm not old enough to like really believe this take,

10:05 but older NBA fans would be like,

10:07 they're too friendly, they're all friends.

10:09 There is something to that.

10:10 Like there was never a moment where like anyone

10:14 who has any sort of rivalry or like real competitive flair.

10:18 You saw guys who like to collaborate,

10:19 like Luka and Jokic and like Donovan and Jalen,

10:24 but you don't have guys who like

10:26 fundamentally dislike each other.

10:27 I think there's too many all-stars.

10:29 I know people want to expand the rosters,

10:30 but trying to get 12 guys minutes is also kind of hard.

10:33 I feel like a number of people said maybe make four teams

10:37 and there's a tournament.

10:38 I think that's interesting.

10:40 At the end of the day, like you can change the rules,

10:43 you can change the ending, you can tweak it,

10:46 but until the players choose,

10:48 we see them compete on a given night.

10:51 I mean, we see them like go after it on a given night.

10:53 - It's the culture, Kim.

10:54 I think it's the culture, man.

10:56 I mean, look at the last 24 hours.

10:58 Look at the flack that Jalen has received.

11:00 Whichever side of the argument you are

11:01 about what happened out here or out there,

11:03 I should say, in the dunk contest on Saturday night,

11:06 wherever you fit, wherever you fall in the sense

11:07 of how Jalen performed or underperformed,

11:10 whatever the case may be,

11:11 the point is the biggest reason why a lot of these guys

11:13 don't want to do the dunk contest

11:14 or a lot of the guys don't take things seriously

11:17 like all-star Saturday night,

11:18 you got Anthony Edwards shooting his left hand

11:20 and stuff like that,

11:21 because the meme thing, what Jalen was saying,

11:24 I think that's accurate.

11:25 I really do, man.

11:26 Guys don't want to be embarrassed all over social media.

11:29 A lot of these guys grew up

11:30 and social media was just always at their fingertips.

11:33 And I think there's something to that.

11:35 I think that the past generations,

11:37 like you just mentioned, Kim, they didn't have that.

11:39 There wasn't that like, oh, you know,

11:41 I might be embarrassed for the next three or four days

11:45 on SportsCenter and the newspaper,

11:46 but everyone's going to forget about this.

11:47 I just think nowadays it's different.

11:48 You know, I think it's like a, oh man,

11:50 people are going to look back and make fun of me for years.

11:53 And I can't go through that.

11:55 So let's just, I'm too cool for this.

11:56 You know, I'll, if I catch fire,

11:59 keep feeding me and I'll win MVP or whatever, you know,

12:02 if we're on the losing end, so be it.

12:04 It's an art just to be here.

12:06 You know, that competitiveness.

12:08 How many times, Bobby,

12:09 when Yoki is just watch Giannis Mikalaya, you know,

12:14 maybe, I don't know, I'm not saying,

12:15 this is just an example, right?

12:16 Maybe it's not the case in this particular instant,

12:18 but if I try to block that and he dumps on me,

12:22 that's the highlight I'm going to see for the next,

12:23 you know, two, three days, you know, like,

12:25 and that whole aspect of it never existed, obviously,

12:28 because there was no social media, you know,

12:30 the early 2000s or even the late nineties,

12:32 where I feel like you have a much more competitive game.

12:35 I mean, there were, those were those all-star games

12:36 where like guys were, teams were just,

12:38 just over the 100 mark, nevermind the 200 point mark,

12:42 which is happening back to back years.

12:43 It coming off of what Adam Silver said Saturday

12:45 during his press conference about the reason why

12:47 they went back to this to avoid that,

12:49 I think just makes things, this whole thing look terrible.

12:52 And I'm curious as to how they try to, again, you know,

12:55 try to fix this for San Francisco next year.

12:58 - Can I, so I was, I was in the hallway

13:02 and this is conjecture of the highest order.

13:05 Silver got out of here in a hurry.

13:07 He did not seem like a happy camper leaving the building.

13:10 He did not take pictures.

13:11 He didn't chum it up.

13:13 He got out of here and like, who knows,

13:14 maybe he's got a flight to Abu Dhabi or something.

13:16 Maybe he's got business to attend to,

13:17 but he didn't seem happy.

13:19 I'll tell you that much.

13:20 - He said he expected a competitive game.

13:22 So did Larry Bird.

13:23 We'll get to him in a minute here.

13:25 I do want to play Jaylen's thoughts

13:27 on the competitiveness of the game here.

13:28 - Before I think we were attempting

13:30 to put a little bit more effort into it,

13:32 but you know, I'm not sure how successful that was,

13:36 but hopefully as the years go on,

13:39 it gets back to being what, you know,

13:41 what the fans want to see.

13:42 But I think maybe it was a little bit more effort

13:46 this time, I think.

13:47 I don't know.

13:48 You guys would be a better judge than I am.

13:49 - Last year after the game, you'd said like,

13:51 this wasn't basketball, this was just a lead line.

13:54 Were there discussions about playing harder

13:57 or playing more defense?

13:58 Or was the hope that it would just sort of happen

14:00 organically?

14:00 - Yeah, there was some discussions.

14:04 There was definitely some.

14:05 I'm not sure, you know, how successful that was,

14:10 but you know, there's definitely some discussions

14:12 and I guess guys are trying to figure out

14:14 how to do that at the same time of, you know,

14:17 having fun, being safe, being injury free.

14:18 But no, I guess more solutions need to be had

14:22 to figure that out.

14:23 - I don't think there's any secret here.

14:28 It just comes down to how much guys want to compete

14:31 and defend and try.

14:34 'Cause we've seen it before.

14:35 I don't want to hear about injuries.

14:36 I want to hear about having a good time and relaxing.

14:39 We've seen more competitiveness than this.

14:41 And maybe it came down to the rosters too.

14:43 And you know, who was able to try.

14:45 Obviously LeBron, guys mentioned Jokic in the chat.

14:48 They're not going to be guys who are flying around

14:49 out there necessarily.

14:51 And the West was favorite in this game on FanDuel,

14:53 interestingly enough, but they never really had a shot here.

14:56 I do want to get to some other aspects of this game,

14:58 the experience tonight.

14:59 Obviously it kind of stunk as an atmosphere,

15:01 but Cam, Larry Bird showed up.

15:03 It addressed the crowd at the beginning,

15:06 alongside Reggie Miller and Oscar Robertson.

15:09 Brown and Tatum both talked about it.

15:11 He came in the locker room and talked to each player briefly,

15:14 mostly just greeted them.

15:15 Tatum and Bird had a more extended conversation

15:18 on the court.

15:19 Tatum said that mostly was about how he'd want to meet him

15:23 for a long time.

15:25 Tatum called it an honor.

15:26 I don't think there's any Bird trip to Boston in the cards,

15:32 but for how elusive Bird was going back,

15:35 I think at least a decade here,

15:38 for him to show up and be a master of ceremonies of sorts

15:42 in multiple different events here, talk to players,

15:45 and just show face, which is something he rarely does,

15:49 might be at least a step toward that.

15:51 I thought that was a big, big takeaway this weekend.

15:54 - I think that that man just loves being from Indiana.

15:58 I think we won't see him again for another 29 years

16:02 because we're going to wait till the next time

16:04 they host an All-Star game in Indiana.

16:05 But it was great that he won the Legends Award

16:11 at the brunch this morning.

16:12 He was really visible.

16:13 He was really present.

16:14 I mean, I said this to you, Bobby,

16:16 when on Celtics Wire, the site that I write for,

16:19 when we write about Larry Bird,

16:20 we still get like 10X the clicks

16:22 of when I write about Jason Tatum or Jalen Brown.

16:23 Like Larry Bird is still Boston Celtics basketball.

16:26 But boy, howdy.

16:28 I mean, I bet if he ran for governor, he'd win

16:30 because they love him here.

16:31 So that was like a match made in heaven.

16:34 It was really cool.

16:35 Reggie Miller also got a ton of love.

16:38 That's worth shouting out too.

16:40 They love hoops here.

16:41 Whatever you think of the stereotype

16:43 that like they love basketball in Indiana, it's spot on.

16:45 They love basketball in Indiana.

16:47 And I can't think of a better ambassador than Larry Bird.

16:50 - Yeah, no question, man.

16:52 It was great.

16:53 What were you going to say?

16:55 - I was going to say, are you expecting a Bird appearance

16:57 in Boston anytime soon, Josue?

16:59 - Not at all.

17:01 Not even close.

17:02 Honestly, it just doesn't happen.

17:05 But I love that Tatum and Brown,

17:07 Tatum and Brown, Tatum and Larry Bird

17:09 just got that moment to meet each other.

17:10 I mean, Tatum told us that they didn't necessarily

17:12 have a full blown conversation,

17:14 but the historian that Jason Tatum is, man,

17:17 I can tell it's genuine when he says

17:18 that he really appreciated meeting Larry Bird

17:20 and couldn't believe it.

17:22 Larry Bird told him, I couldn't wait to meet you.

17:25 Subject Maxwell always tells a story on a podcast

17:28 about the first time he watched the 30 for 30

17:31 on the Southeast Lakers rivalry.

17:33 And obviously Larry Bird's a big part of that.

17:35 And it was a big part of how he learned

17:38 who Subject Maxwell was in the sense of the finals MVP

17:40 and how much he played a big part in that rivalry.

17:42 So I just think that someone like Jason Tatum

17:46 who did this probably, I wanna say his rookie year

17:49 or his second year, like he gets it, man.

17:51 He gets the tradition, he gets the culture.

17:53 And I think that's a big step,

17:55 especially for the kind of season that Tatum's having

17:58 where the Celtics have the best chances

18:00 of not only getting back to the finals,

18:02 but winning it all.

18:03 And I just think that type of interaction

18:06 and at All-Star Weekend,

18:08 considering the status where Jason Tatum is a star

18:13 in the All-Star game in Indiana,

18:15 I think all that stuff is huge

18:17 for Tatum's growth moving forward.

18:20 - Yeah, you wish there was a little more to it,

18:22 gave a speech or something,

18:23 or said they were gonna meet up at some point,

18:25 but it does seem like it was pretty limited in his camp.

18:28 - In due time, in due time.

18:30 Yeah, I mean- - That's what I'm saying.

18:31 It's that hope there for more.

18:33 - I just don't see the whole like,

18:34 Larry's back in Boston, guys.

18:36 Give it up.

18:37 He's just not that kind of guy

18:38 and he hasn't done it.

18:40 - Maybe he wants to be around the guys more.

18:43 - The O-8 team, it never happened.

18:45 It never happened throughout that era.

18:47 They made a couple of NBA finals appearances.

18:49 It's just super rare.

18:50 It's just not who he is.

18:52 It's not something that I think

18:53 the organization take personally,

18:55 but it's just not who Larry is.

18:57 Larry's not the guy.

18:58 I always love the HBO documentary

19:00 about his relationship with Magic Johnson.

19:02 And one of my favorite parts of that documentary is

19:05 Magic goes to the front while the cameras are,

19:07 Larry's gonna stick to the back.

19:08 I mean, that's just the kind of guy he is.

19:09 He doesn't like the spotlight.

19:11 He's not the kind of guy,

19:12 but I think he generally enjoys,

19:15 obviously the game of basketball,

19:18 Jason Tatum means to the organization.

19:20 So I think to hear what he said to Tatum is super,

19:24 super cool as someone who's been covering this team

19:27 for a handful of years and also for someone like Jason Tatum

19:29 who couldn't stop literally glowing

19:31 as he was telling that story.

19:34 - Yeah, can I mention it too?

19:35 There's just more of an association

19:37 with the Pacers at this point.

19:38 That's a long running thing that happened years ago

19:41 when he had the falling out with the Celtics.

19:44 - I mean, these guys give him a shot.

19:45 He was a head coach here.

19:47 He said he's gonna do it for two years.

19:48 He brought them to the finals.

19:49 He wanted to give it a try and that was it.

19:51 I think that meant a lot to Larry.

19:54 I mean, there was some speculation back then

19:56 that he wanted to be the guy to take over

19:59 when the coaching situation was in flux

20:02 to say the least in the mid to late 90s

20:05 leading into the Doc Rivers era.

20:07 But I don't know.

20:09 I mean, I can't really speak on that personally.

20:11 I was super young, but there was some talk that,

20:14 or speculation I should say,

20:15 that he was hoping that would be the card for him.

20:18 He pivoted to the Pacers, became the head coach.

20:20 And like you said, he wanted to do it for two years

20:22 and that was it.

20:23 I don't know if that plays a part in it,

20:24 but again, I really do think it boils down

20:26 to this being his hometown with the college here.

20:30 And it just means a lot to him.

20:31 Basketball means a lot to this city.

20:33 And the All-Star game hasn't been here since the 80s.

20:35 So it was fitting.

20:36 It was cool for him to be here.

20:38 - And we'll wrap this up with some Brown and Tatum talk

20:40 on the other side.

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21:06 - So we kicked it around a little bit on the side.

21:13 We talked about it last night,

21:14 but it's becoming an annual thing, Brown-Tatum,

21:17 All-Star game experience together.

21:20 They collaborated on the dunk last night.

21:22 Brown talked about that tonight,

21:24 said they didn't practice it, looked better in his head,

21:27 but he doesn't have any regrets

21:28 about the way that thing went down last night

21:30 and he was glad he tried it.

21:32 And maybe not in the cards in the future.

21:35 I think that seemed to be more the feeling tonight

21:37 after the fact with him, but the door is open.

21:41 You know, he wanted to try at least once, he said.

21:44 That was great.

21:45 I think that was the most enjoyable moment of the weekend,

21:48 but overall, just watching those two,

21:50 especially on the court before the game,

21:52 a lot of greeting with some of their friends.

21:53 You saw Brown and Giannis talking on one side,

21:55 Tatum and Bam catching up.

21:57 You know, they're good friends on the other side there.

22:00 Asked both of them about what the experience is like

22:02 and they get along just right throughout the year.

22:05 So it makes some sense that they're catching up

22:08 with other stars, kind of doing their own thing out here.

22:11 But I heard a couple of times, you know,

22:14 from different star teammates who are here,

22:16 the importance of catching up on the season,

22:19 you know, talking about things that went well,

22:20 maybe didn't go as well.

22:21 I know Damian Lowe was just talking about that

22:23 at the press conference, you know,

22:24 and the time he's been able to spend with Giannis here.

22:27 Same deal for Durant and Booker who,

22:31 in Durant's words, the key to their success

22:33 has been how close they've been

22:34 and how much time they spent together off the court

22:36 to start so far.

22:37 So, you know, we've had this conversation for a long time.

22:41 You know, how close they are,

22:42 how much that plays into their success.

22:44 I think we see in this setting again,

22:48 that they're just different guys,

22:51 different friendships, different interests.

22:53 You know, there's no issues between them necessarily here,

22:56 but they're guys who are gonna do different things

22:58 just the way, and I really didn't see outside

23:01 of that dunk there, which didn't go all that well,

23:03 kind of interaction between them,

23:05 at least in what we were able to see over the weekend.

23:07 - Amateurs, man.

23:11 I mean, I should say amateur in the sense of someone

23:14 who probably doesn't have a whole lot of experience

23:16 in the dunk contest, but you gotta practice that.

23:18 Are you kidding me?

23:19 A no-look, love, like, I just,

23:22 I can't believe that they didn't practice it.

23:23 I don't know if that's a testament

23:26 as to how their relationship,

23:28 I get it, these guys are busy,

23:29 they guys have commitments.

23:31 All-Star Week is not just about the events.

23:33 A lot of these guys have commitments

23:34 that they have to attend and all that,

23:36 but I'm shocked, honestly,

23:38 that they didn't get a chance to at least practice this

23:40 during practice, like, in Brighton.

23:43 I don't know if I said this last night,

23:46 but I think that could have easily been

23:49 the best dunk of the night,

23:50 if it was executed properly.

23:52 The first lob was probably the worst lob

23:54 I've ever seen in a dunk contest, or one of the worst.

23:56 And then the second one, I mean,

23:57 obviously he didn't have enough,

24:00 it wasn't close enough for him to pull off the deep round,

24:03 and it just looked bad.

24:06 It was just poorly executed.

24:07 I figured, the way I saw it was

24:10 that maybe they practiced for like 15 minutes,

24:12 but to find out that they didn't practice at all,

24:14 I mean, they didn't have a shot at winning.

24:17 - So John, who couldn't be here tonight,

24:21 he thought it was a disaster, Cam.

24:23 And I just don't, I don't think it was.

24:27 I think he went straight forward with what he did out there.

24:30 Botched that one, that was definitely the worst

24:33 of all his ideas.

24:34 It just didn't come together well,

24:36 and he got too high of a score, frankly.

24:38 And we had the debate last night

24:39 of whether he even should have moved on from that.

24:41 But that was the one, if anything,

24:43 limited from winning the championship, it was that one.

24:45 I don't think it was a disaster.

24:49 It was flashy, tried to incorporate

24:51 a lot of different things, probably too many things.

24:54 But I think a disaster is going out there

24:56 and trying something that's way too hard

24:58 and failing a bunch of times,

25:00 and then having to just throw it down with two hands.

25:02 That's, to me, what a disaster looks like.

25:04 This was just fine to me.

25:06 I thought it was solid.

25:06 I thought it had some good ideas.

25:08 He didn't win, he didn't deserve to win.

25:11 But I thought it was just a solid performance

25:14 and a needed star infusion in the contest.

25:17 So, sure, we'll debate that with John another time.

25:20 But looking back on it a day later, Cam,

25:24 how do you feel about it now,

25:25 getting to watch it back maybe a couple of times

25:26 and just think about it some more?

25:28 - I don't know.

25:32 It's how I feel about the All-Star game.

25:34 If it's great, great.

25:35 But if it's not, it's really forgettable.

25:37 I think going into this,

25:38 my comp for Jalen Brown was DeMar DeRozan,

25:40 who I bet most people listening were like,

25:42 "Oh yeah, I guess he wasn't a dunk contest."

25:45 In a few years, maybe we'll remember.

25:48 - I literally just had that thought.

25:50 - Yeah, we don't think of Jalen

25:53 as a tremendous creative athletic dunker.

25:56 We think of him as a really strong dunker.

25:58 So I didn't really have high expectations

25:59 for what was gonna happen here.

26:01 He got to showcase his respect for history.

26:06 He got to showcase his respect for the internet

26:10 with the Kaysenat dunk.

26:12 He got to do the Terrence Clark thing.

26:14 That's a success.

26:14 That's huge.

26:15 It doesn't matter that he didn't win.

26:18 That was more meaningful than blowing out a cupcake.

26:21 - He personified it.

26:22 Yeah, he personified the entire dunk contest.

26:26 Yeah, I love that.

26:27 - So that pushed into the,

26:28 again, I don't wanna overstate it,

26:30 but I think he pushed into the future a little bit

26:32 with some of the things you can do.

26:33 Now, maybe someone will do it better going forward,

26:36 but I thought there were a lot of good ideas

26:38 that may not execute well.

26:39 And it does still come down to how good are your dunks.

26:42 - That's what it is.

26:43 - And his weren't quite good enough.

26:46 But to me, I thought it was just solid.

26:48 And Cam, you did get to talk to Kai.

26:51 - Oh yeah, Kaysenat.

26:53 Yeah, that's-

26:54 - Cam spoke to everyone.

26:56 He forgot.

26:57 He's like, "Oh yeah."

26:57 - What did he say?

26:59 No, no, the reason I-

27:00 - You mean Guy Fieri?

27:01 Wait, which one was it?

27:02 - Well, no, the reason I paused

27:03 is 'cause one of my editors at USA Today is named Kai.

27:06 And I was like, "Did I talk to him?"

27:07 (laughing)

27:09 So Kaysenat is a YouTube prankster, a comedy person,

27:14 who is like maybe the most famous person in the building.

27:18 I saw him at a half court.

27:22 And I said, "Hey, you worked with Jalen.

27:24 "Do you mind if I ask a few questions?"

27:25 And then we had to leave the court.

27:27 So I ended up walking with him

27:28 from mid-court to the back tunnel.

27:30 And along the way,

27:31 almost everyone paused what they were doing and said,

27:34 "Oh my God, is that Kaysenat?"

27:35 Like, people really love that dude.

27:38 And I really kept saying to him,

27:39 I was like, "Dude, you're so famous."

27:40 And he was like, "Yeah, I am."

27:42 But like really charming, really charismatic.

27:45 Go check out, it's a short on the CLNS YouTube page.

27:49 After this, check it out.

27:50 You can hear that it was like a 30 second hit.

27:52 But he was really polite, tremendous.

27:55 And apparently he has a nice friendship with Jalen Brown,

27:59 which is cool, I didn't know that.

28:00 - Well, let's wrap it up, PA.

28:03 - Thing, hold on real quick.

28:04 I just wanna say,

28:06 I just love that Jalen is so comfortable to,

28:11 not only again, personify these dunks,

28:12 put himself out there,

28:13 but knowing that there's that chance of that criticism.

28:17 We caught up with Jalen Rose quickly after the event.

28:20 And I thought he was spot on when he said,

28:22 "We need more guys like this to participate."

28:24 We wanna see players that participate in the dunk contest

28:29 that are gonna turn around and play in the all-star game.

28:31 It doesn't have to be completely filled with all-stars,

28:36 but having one or two every single year

28:37 does make it interesting.

28:38 I mean, people can make the argument that say,

28:39 okay, maybe that helped him in the sense of

28:41 when you called it closed

28:43 and the judges really wanted to see

28:45 probably the rest of what Jalen had in store,

28:47 whether it was the messages

28:49 or whether it was just pure athleticism.

28:50 You know, Kim, I'm glad you brought up

28:53 the DeRozan comp there,

28:55 because the way I saw it was going into it,

28:58 I said, if Jalen's gonna do this,

28:59 he's gotta have at least three or four

29:01 really good dunks up his sleeve.

29:03 And with his athleticism,

29:04 sometimes it's not about the 360s or the flips,

29:08 you know, all that.

29:09 It can be more of the,

29:11 just throwing off that pure athleticism,

29:13 just those vertical leap dunks,

29:15 almost like Josh Richardson.

29:17 I don't know if you guys remember him,

29:18 but Josh Richardson, like power,

29:20 showing that vertical leap through the leg.

29:23 I thought we would see more of that.

29:25 Probably the best dunk of the night was the assistant,

29:27 Donovan Mitchell.

29:28 I thought that was great.

29:29 Terrence Clark, Tribu,

29:30 were probably, those are probably my two favorite

29:32 dunks of Jalen.

29:33 Again, I just think when it came down to it,

29:35 it was execution.

29:37 But at the end of the day, let's be honest,

29:38 McClung won this.

29:39 And I think that's what it really boils down to.

29:42 And that's okay.

29:43 That's not the worst thing in the world,

29:44 but I don't think this is something

29:45 that we'll look back on and be like,

29:47 oh, that was embarrassing for Jalen.

29:48 I think embarrassing would be missing three dunks in a row.

29:51 - That's what I'm saying.

29:52 - Going over the top.

29:53 Yeah, Bobby, I'll be with you with that, for sure.

29:55 Nor do I think he kept it too, too safe.

29:57 I think it took, he took risk out there

30:00 and it just didn't land as well as I thought.

30:03 I think that Jalen thought it was going to.

30:05 - You know what's embarrassing?

30:07 - They were kind of into it.

30:07 And some of them, they were kind of just like, oh, okay.

30:10 And then the replay, the dunks looked better in the replay,

30:12 but it just didn't have that thunderous reaction

30:16 that maybe Jalen was anticipating.

30:18 - Can I tell you what's embarrassing?

30:20 The dunk contest was so much more interesting

30:22 than the all-star game that we're talking

30:24 about the dunk contest and not the all-star game.

30:25 - Again, for the second night in a row,

30:27 but we still got to take some, what happened.

30:29 - There's nothing.

30:30 - It was more interesting.

30:31 It was more courageous.

30:33 It was more worthwhile.

30:35 Even if it didn't look great all the time,

30:37 it was a hundred times more interesting

30:40 than this all-star game.

30:42 - There was nothing to talk about from this all-star game.

30:44 And overall.

30:45 - Bobby's pissed, Bobby's never coming back.

30:47 - I, yeah, I mean, I guess I'll say,

30:50 I won't go on sounding like an a-hole, but.

30:52 (laughing)

30:53 This wasn't my, this wasn't my favorite.

30:56 - He's like, first class everyone.

30:58 - This wasn't my, this wasn't my favorite event

31:01 I've covered as a whole.

31:02 And there were cool aspects of it.

31:04 Lil Wayne earlier was,

31:06 threw the roof, give us away.

31:07 That was really cool.

31:08 - Oh man, Bobby, Lil Wayne was like your favorite part

31:11 of the week.

31:12 But yes, he did crush it, man.

31:13 Lil Wayne had a heck of a show at the convention center.

31:17 NBA sponsored event.

31:19 It was pretty cool.

31:20 - What was your favorite moment, Cam?

31:22 - I don't know.

31:26 I gotta be honest, Guy Fieri was.

31:28 - I knew you were gonna prop Guy up to the top.

31:31 - I just.

31:32 - Wow.

31:33 Are you foodie?

31:34 Are you foodie like Bobby and I?

31:35 We love food.

31:36 - Yeah, first of all, I do like Triple D.

31:38 He's exactly like, like he's, it's not a character.

31:41 He was so polite.

31:43 I just like tapped him on the shoulder to say like,

31:45 hey, what'd you think of the game?

31:46 And then he, he engaged me for like a full minute

31:48 and he was really.

31:49 - He's a huge NBA fan, for sure.

31:52 - We love this.

31:53 - Also, he had a drink and a cigar in his hand.

31:55 Like that was just larger than life.

31:56 That was really cool.

31:57 I also, I just like, it was like being in a circus.

32:01 It was like cheerleaders going this way.

32:03 - It was chaotic.

32:03 It was mad host.

32:04 - It was, it was.

32:05 - Yeah.

32:06 - I mean, you, everyone listening can hear all the noise

32:09 in the background.

32:10 Shout out to all the people that made this happen.

32:12 The players had the easiest job this weekend.

32:15 So much effort went into making this production happen

32:18 and now tearing it down.

32:20 I was just floored with how much of a production this was.

32:24 - Another random note to close the show

32:27 and I'll stick with the shrimp, Josue.

32:29 - What do you mean?

32:33 - I'll stick with the shrimp

32:33 as my favorite part of the weekend.

32:35 That was, that was enjoyable.

32:36 I think some people saw my skills competition too,

32:40 which how many seconds was it Josue?

32:43 Despite all the missed three.

32:44 - 47.

32:45 I want to say on my phone, the timer said 47,

32:47 which is pretty good.

32:48 - Despite all my missed threes,

32:50 it was still a pretty good time.

32:52 - If every single one of those threes hit the rim,

32:55 we'd be straight.

32:56 People would be like, hey, you missed a handful.

32:59 - We didn't post the time.

33:00 We didn't post the time either.

33:03 - I mean, the time is the time of the video.

33:04 What do you mean?

33:05 As long as the length of the video

33:08 is how long it took you to complete the course.

33:10 And wow, we saw a handful of contestants

33:14 or participants or whatever that were like a minute 40,

33:18 you know, a minute 50, like approaching two minutes.

33:21 And Bobby got under a minute.

33:23 Hey, that's an NBA three pointer, man.

33:25 It's not as easy as it looks, trust me.

33:27 - I am looking forward to the next couple of days off here.

33:31 Celtics are off until Thursday.

33:34 And so we will probably take that time off too

33:37 for the most part here.

33:38 Maybe look back at the first half,

33:40 look ahead to the second half coming

33:41 as the Celtics hit the road right away in Chicago

33:45 and then take on the Knicks,

33:46 who actually officially ruled out,

33:48 at least according to reports,

33:49 Randall and OG through the rest of February.

33:53 And in Randall's case, maybe through the rest

33:56 of the regular season.

33:56 So don't think you'll be seeing those guys in that game,

33:59 but it is still a big one.

34:01 But Celtics restart Thursday against the Bulls in Chicago.

34:05 We will be back then at the latest

34:08 for a post game show that night.

34:10 Thanks for joining us here, Cam, throughout the weekend.

34:13 Good talking to you.

34:14 - Yeah, my pleasure.

34:15 - And of course, check out the Celtics Lab podcast

34:19 which he hosts.

34:20 Joe Swayze probably got a new Cedric Maxwell

34:22 coming before long.

34:23 - Yeah, man, we got a lot to discuss after this weekend.

34:26 - Yeah, and subscribe to Dome Theory as well.

34:29 We'll have a new edition of that this week, I believe,

34:30 after this hectic weekend.

34:33 So we're heading back to Boston.

34:35 We will talk to you all soon.

34:36 Thanks for joining us tonight.

34:38 Thanks for following along throughout all-star weekend

34:40 here on CELANUS Media, Celtics All Access.

34:43 A lot of behind the scenes stuff over there

34:44 on Celtics All Access, so go check that out.

34:46 And that's gonna do it for us here tonight.

34:51 And we will talk to you soon.

34:53 - Wait, Ahmed's got an outro for us, I think.

34:56 - No, he doesn't.

34:57 - You said he was gonna work on an outro.

34:58 - Man, he had a phenomenal game.

35:01 - Phenomenal.

35:03 (laughing)

35:04 - Porfrit's out, I think it's an option.

35:07 (laughing)

35:09 - That did not sound like a chair.

35:11 - It was a freaking chair.

35:13 It does sound like a chair.

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