Ian Hislop clashes with former Tory chairman Jake Berry over the Post Office scandal
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00 They were incentivised to make money for the post office and that led to ignoring what was going on in the hope of getting better remuneration.
00:10 And that's disgraceful and all of them should have to pay those bonuses back.
00:15 But the problem we've got in this country, and it's a serious problem, is no government has actually put in place any kind of system that actually enables clawback in these kind of circumstances.
00:25 And in the end, you're sort of relying on the goodwill of people to hand back money. When has that ever happened?
00:30 One thing we do control is their massive taxpayer funded pensions. We do have control of that and we can pass an emergency piece of legislation, a parliamentary pardon.
00:38 Why can't we do the same thing with their pensions?
00:40 Well, why couldn't you do it so long ago? The fact that it takes an ITV drama and suddenly, having been told their entire campaigning lives, this is very difficult, you'll have to go in front of a judge.
00:50 This is very, very expensive. Oh, this morning it isn't. Tomorrow we'll pass legislation and you're all exonerated.
00:56 I mean, it is absolutely fatuous for this government to claim, hey, we're really acting now. Did nothing.
01:03 Did nothing the whole time.
01:04 Sorry, that is demonstrably, sorry, that is demonstrably complete and utter nonsense.
01:12 Why did you give her a CBE in 2019?
01:14 Why do you only want a CBE?
01:15 Why did you appoint her to the Cabinet Office?
01:17 You talk her over everyone else and you've been doing it the entire programme.
01:21 Ian, let him speak. Two wrongs don't make a right.
01:24 That programme, which you claim to love so much and was an amazing piece of drama put together by ITV, ends.
01:30 What, you're saying I don't claim to? Why am I claiming to love that programme?
01:33 Ends.
01:34 I did like that programme. You can't just talk nonsense and not be interrupted.
01:37 It's not nonsense. That programme ends in 2019 with that court case.
01:41 Yeah.
01:42 In the intervening period, £130 million plus has been paid out to ITV.
01:45 Actually, you did say that earlier, Jake, and unfortunately I've been told not to go on.
01:49 The programme's over. The programme's over.
01:51 Now the big question.
01:52 All right. I don't think we're going to have a chance to tell you what's coming next week.
01:56 But anyway, bye everybody.