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The Fourth Umpire | PAKISTAN vs ENGLAND | Fahad Mustafa | 11th November 2023 | ARY Digital
The 4th Umpire Show World Cup Special is a fun-packed talkshow, hosted by superstar, Fahad Mustafa. As World Cup 2023 is about to begin, this show will be aired on ARY Digital during the entire tournament.
Host : The most renowned TV Show host of Pakistan, Fahad Mustafa,will lead the show throughout ICC World Cup 2023.
Sohail Tanveer & Umer Gul
Cricket Experts of the Show
Former Pakistani international cricketers will be sharing their expert opinions on matches while having light moments with the host Fahad Mustafa.
#TheFourthUmpire #CWC #WorldCup2023 #FahadMustafa #umarGul #sohailtanvir #faizansheikh #ayazsamoo #Meeshaimran
The Fourth Umpire | PAKISTAN vs ENGLAND | Fahad Mustafa | 11th November 2023 | ARY Digital
The 4th Umpire Show World Cup Special is a fun-packed talkshow, hosted by superstar, Fahad Mustafa. As World Cup 2023 is about to begin, this show will be aired on ARY Digital during the entire tournament.
Host : The most renowned TV Show host of Pakistan, Fahad Mustafa,will lead the show throughout ICC World Cup 2023.
Sohail Tanveer & Umer Gul
Cricket Experts of the Show
Former Pakistani international cricketers will be sharing their expert opinions on matches while having light moments with the host Fahad Mustafa.
#TheFourthUmpire #CWC #WorldCup2023 #FahadMustafa #umarGul #sohailtanvir #faizansheikh #ayazsamoo #Meeshaimran
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00:08 Because it's over.
00:19 It's finally over.
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00:23 Because the only unifying force in this country
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01:18 Officially, the worst World Cup campaign is over now.
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04:12 We have changed it by force.
04:15 - Who had Saud, Hassan Ali... - Hassan Ali.
04:17 - And one more player. - One more player.
04:19 Agha.
04:20 - Agha? No, no. - Salman.
04:21 - No, no. He was... - Agha.
04:23 He was part of the team.
04:24 - Was there someone else? - Usama.
04:26 - Usama. Yes, Usama. - Usama.
04:28 They were not part of...
04:29 Because, in the past, we had a series of players...
04:32 We used to play with all the 15 players, who had been playing for 2-3 years.
04:36 We used to play with them.
04:38 We had a small series and we didn't prepare any other players.
04:42 - It means that we didn't have that vision. - Why?
04:44 Why didn't you do it?
04:45 Vision? We didn't have a vision.
04:47 God forbid.
04:48 After Naseem Shah's injury, suddenly, 3-4 months ago,
04:51 you had the world's top bowling attack.
04:54 Everyone was saying that Pakistan has the best bowling attack.
04:56 But after Naseem Shah's injury, you didn't have a replacement.
04:59 First of all, you didn't have a replacement.
05:01 Suddenly, you hadn't bowled for Hassan Ali for 2 years.
05:05 It wasn't in your plan.
05:06 Even before the World Cup, he had an interview.
05:08 He himself said that he didn't feel that he was a part of the World Cup.
05:11 - Or that he could be. - Or that he could be.
05:14 Yes, absolutely.
05:16 It means that you didn't adopt a rotation policy.
05:18 You didn't adopt a rotation policy in the easy series,
05:26 you didn't prepare any other players.
05:29 I'll give you an example.
05:30 The team from New Zealand had come here.
05:32 - Their top players were busy in the IPL. - Rachen had come then too.
05:35 He had come too, but his other players knew that he could be useful in the World Cup.
05:40 So, he prepared other young players,
05:42 - and Rachen is the best example of that. - Yes, absolutely.
05:44 He performed well.
05:45 As far as performances are concerned,
05:48 I would like to ask Sohail this question.
05:50 Sohail, we are saying that we weren't prepared,
05:53 we didn't prepare the team,
05:54 we didn't use other players on the rotation policy.
05:57 We did all this.
05:58 The ones who made the team...
06:00 I mean, it doesn't mean that you are going to lose.
06:04 You think that you will feed your best boys,
06:09 and you will win with this combination.
06:11 So, did we completely misread the equation?
06:14 Did we not understand anything apart from the pitches?
06:17 We didn't understand the overall situation.
06:19 Look, I think we can say that
06:22 the players whom Babar trusted the most,
06:27 - they didn't back him with their performances. - They couldn't deliver.
06:31 Because we all know that Babar was given full authority
06:36 to play in the Asia Cup,
06:39 and even before that, all the series that were played,
06:42 Babar was given full authority
06:45 to pick and feed the players.
06:48 I think, in that sense, he won't complain
06:51 - that he didn't get the players he wanted. - He didn't get anything.
06:54 - Right. - Okay?
06:55 - You had full support. - The entire responsibility
06:58 is on the team management,
07:00 and the entire team is responsible for this failure.
07:03 Because, as I said,
07:06 the board is handling the situation differently,
07:10 but that has nothing to do with cricket.
07:13 You didn't make a team.
07:16 All the points that Gulli has raised,
07:19 you see, we are playing the series with Ireland,
07:23 and we are playing with Holland, so they are the same players.
07:25 My son's friend was saying that
07:28 our team has won only with small teams.
07:30 Dad, we haven't played with big teams.
07:33 - Now, the kids have understood. - Yes.
07:35 I don't know, there is insecurity,
07:38 although it shouldn't be.
07:39 Babar and Rizwan are big players,
07:41 they have been playing consistently for the last three to four years.
07:44 They have been doing well, performing.
07:46 Babar is number one in the rankings.
07:48 So, if you had rested for a couple of matches,
07:50 you would have known your bench strength.
07:54 Like Naseem's incident.
07:56 You don't know the injuries in cricket.
07:58 Any player can get injured at any time.
08:00 So, your main weapon,
08:02 the ball that created pressure,
08:05 if it missed, you were nowhere.
08:08 You didn't know what replacement you could get.
08:11 There was no replacement.
08:12 Another interesting thing that was happening today,
08:14 we were talking about it before the break,
08:16 before the show started,
08:17 was that a big comparison is being drawn for 2019,
08:21 that both the World Cups have similarities.
08:22 But there is one similarity that Faizan told me.
08:25 Faizan, what was the difference between the World Cup and this one?
08:29 See, I was telling you,
08:30 in the beginning, I said the World Cup campaign was the worst.
08:32 Why is that?
08:33 Because we never lost five matches in the World Cup.
08:35 We were losing five matches in the last one too.
08:37 No, we lost four matches in the World Cup.
08:39 We lost four, one of which was a washout.
08:41 - Okay. - Three were lost.
08:42 - Five, it was the first time. - Consecutive.
08:44 We lost five matches in the World Cup.
08:45 - And four consecutively. - Yes.
08:49 We have made a new record.
08:50 We are making records in a different way.
08:52 We are making records in a different way.
08:54 I would like to know one question.
08:56 When we play as a team,
08:59 are we discussing the possibilities of 92 in the dressing room
09:03 or is there a plan for today?
09:05 Why is it always that we...
09:06 Even all the panelists, all the cricketers,
09:09 because you don't see any other means.
09:11 - It's a benchmark. - So, you are ready to buy this argument
09:15 - in some way or the other. - Yes.
09:16 "Okay, maybe, you know, this is what will happen."
09:18 But seriously, don't the players feel bad about it?
09:21 "Oh, we have said this again.
09:23 - God will make it happen." - It's a benchmark.
09:25 "We had brought a bat and a ball.
09:28 What's the point of that, Omar?"
09:30 No, no, the players never want us to perform.
09:33 In fact, the people who were sitting outside,
09:35 who gave their opinions or shared their thoughts
09:38 that someone did it in 92,
09:40 so if the current players don't do it,
09:42 then it doesn't matter.
09:44 The so-called legends, the ex-cricketers,
09:46 they didn't do it, so what?
09:48 If no one is performing,
09:49 then the performances are the same.
09:51 It's not like that.
09:52 It's not necessary that if the last time, in 19,
09:56 the New Zealand team lost the final,
09:59 then it's not necessary that they lose again.
10:01 - It's like that. - Every team goes to win.
10:03 - It's not like that. - We were hoping for the same.
10:05 Our party was ruined by New Zealand.
10:08 To be honest, we had the same hopes.
10:11 We couldn't say that our players,
10:13 who had been performing for the last year or so,
10:16 they would come again and say, "Your number one player
10:19 was batsman, number two, number three."
10:22 We were expecting performances,
10:24 but unfortunately, we didn't get those.
10:26 I know what Mishra was saying.
10:29 "Meera was number one." What does that mean?
10:31 Look, you can't blame an individual
10:34 for being the captain, the board, or the selection committee.
10:38 I think all the people on the board,
10:40 your selection committee, your captain,
10:42 first of all, if you look at it,
10:45 there's inconsistency in your team management.
10:48 How many times have your coaches changed in the last three, four years?
10:52 I'll tell you something really interesting.
10:54 There's no cricket ground in Afghanistan.
10:56 - Yes. - Yes.
10:57 Forget about the coaches.
10:59 You played, you won, you played well, you played with respect.
11:02 We have a domestic system.
11:04 - Yes. - Good or bad? We have it.
11:05 I'm not talking about the domestic system.
11:08 I'm talking about consistency.
11:10 - But there's nothing there. - If your players aren't consistent,
11:11 if your team management isn't consistent,
11:13 how can you play?
11:14 Sohail, these guys have been playing for four years.
11:16 What consistency do you want?
11:18 Look, there have definitely been changes in the board and management,
11:21 - but the players... - The players have been the same.
11:23 - The players... - The ball is the same.
11:25 - But the ball hasn't changed. - This group of 20-22,
11:28 who had made a bench,
11:32 - The best. - in three formats,
11:34 they were rotating.
11:35 I mean, if Hasan Ali was playing red ball, he wasn't playing white,
11:38 - but he was part of red... - He was there.
11:39 - He was there. - He was in Rotigag.
11:41 Yes. So, I think, I don't buy this argument that,
11:45 I mean, yes, there is an effect,
11:48 but it happens when your players keep changing,
11:51 - you ask for a player and you don't get one. - You want to be a captain.
11:54 Being a captain, you have a plan,
11:55 the World Cup is a big event, right?
11:57 As a captain, as a leader, you plan,
12:00 "Okay, these are my players, this is their role,
12:04 "I have to take this role from this."
12:05 You plan and go.
12:07 If your players miss out on that,
12:09 then you feel, "My match winner,
12:12 "or the plan I made, it went wrong."
12:14 But if you've been consistent with your players for two years,
12:17 you're taking them with you,
12:19 then you have to take responsibility.
12:21 There's no other one to blame.
12:23 - Yes, Misha? - I was just saying,
12:25 consistency is one thing,
12:26 but your FTP matters a lot.
12:28 And you know, Fahad, when are we playing our next ODI?
12:30 - When is it? - I think, after a year.
12:33 November 2024.
12:34 - We're in November 2023. - Cute.
12:36 In November 2024, we'll play our next ODI.
12:39 You take one player,
12:41 but there's a huge difference between ODIs and T20s,
12:44 and we've been saying this from the very start.
12:47 You take the same team in T20s,
12:48 they'll get you a trophy,
12:50 you play Big Bash, they'll perform in that too.
12:52 But look, there's an argument
12:53 that whenever you sit in a lounge,
12:56 the furniture is pointed to one side, right?
12:59 - So, I think, World Cup is your biggest event. - Agreed.
13:03 As a cricketer, if you don't focus on the World Cup,
13:07 and you think, "One day, because it's not there,
13:09 "but if it was, it would be..."
13:10 But again, your FTP,
13:12 your management,
13:13 what is your FTP?
13:15 Your future tour programmes...
13:17 You know, they don't know what your FTP is.
13:20 Exactly what I'm talking about.
13:21 When you don't give ODIs to your players for your teams,
13:25 they won't prepare for ODIs,
13:26 so you end up making the players feel bad.
13:29 But what is the management doing?
13:31 There was another argument,
13:32 I was listening to it today, it's a good one.
13:33 We're talking about our players,
13:36 our players have travelled a lot,
13:38 - they're fatigued. - The least travelled team.
13:40 Even if they have travelled,
13:42 you're travelling as per your will.
13:44 You've been playing all the leagues that you wanted to play,
13:47 nobody forced you to play those leagues.
13:49 - You're back to 200. - You've played,
13:50 and, thank God, you get paid for it.
13:53 So when you get a duty call,
13:55 when you genuinely come to play for your country,
13:57 at that time, if you say this,
13:59 how can you... I'll come back to this.
14:01 Tell me a little about this.
14:03 Does any professional player feel good
14:05 when they make this argument,
14:07 that they didn't manage their workload?
14:10 - People... - Yes.
14:11 Although you must be earning money yourself.
14:12 Who was supposed to manage the workload?
14:13 - The player had to do it. - Exactly.
14:15 - That's what the argument is. - The board...
14:17 The board isn't telling you to play every match.
14:19 - Yes. - The board isn't telling you
14:20 to play league cricket.
14:22 League cricket is a site where you don't have any cricket,
14:25 or the players who aren't internationally involved,
14:28 basically, they play.
14:30 I played a lot of league cricket
14:32 because I wasn't very involved in the Pakistan team.
14:34 Whenever I was free, I played league cricket.
14:36 But the main...
14:37 especially the players who play two or three formats,
14:39 you take the prime example of Australian players,
14:43 they refuse the biggest IPL contracts.
14:46 - Everyone likes money. - They do.
14:47 But they refuse.
14:49 - Mitchell Stark didn't play IPL for four or five years. - He didn't.
14:52 Because he wanted to represent his country.
14:54 Yes, you can make a counter-argument
14:57 that the players don't get as much money here
14:59 as they get in the contract money.
15:01 But now, from the last two, three years,
15:04 a lot of money has started coming here as well.
15:07 And the contracts that we have got this year are very good.
15:09 So, you can't give an excuse that...
15:12 Okay, if you don't get money,
15:13 let's make this argument today as well.
15:15 There was a big issue before this World Cup
15:18 and that was that the players should get some money
15:20 from all the earnings of the ICC.
15:22 I get the argument. I'm all for it.
15:24 But, if your performances don't back you up after that,
15:28 then what will happen now?
15:29 Will the board say that
15:31 you won't even give the money you get after what you've done?
15:35 Both are separate issues.
15:37 You should get money.
15:38 If your board earns money, it's because of the players.
15:42 The players make money for you.
15:44 Cricket board is a kind of a private organisation.
15:47 - Absolutely right. - The players make money for you.
15:51 Whether it's a commercial or whatever.
15:54 - Right. - Revenue is generated,
15:55 but it's because of the players.
15:57 - So, you should get money. - It's vice versa.
15:58 I think that if the PCB doesn't give you a chance,
16:02 you can't become a player.
16:03 - No. - That's also a bit...
16:05 If the ARY doesn't give me a show,
16:06 where will I run the show?
16:08 Look, if a player plays,
16:09 he'll be a player.
16:11 - He'll be a player in the 15th part. - Right.
16:13 So, the point is,
16:14 you should also be accountable at the same time.
16:18 If you're getting money, that's your right.
16:21 You should get it.
16:22 In our time, it was less than this.
16:24 It was less than the time of our predecessors.
16:26 - Right. - As money is coming in cricket,
16:28 it's increasing, and there's no harm.
16:30 If the PCB is earning so much,
16:31 if the players get a crore instead of 60 lakhs,
16:34 - then we should be happy. - Right.
16:36 But at the same time,
16:37 accountability is based on performance.
16:40 - These are separate things. - Contact seats are coming.
16:41 We can't say that if they're not performing,
16:43 they shouldn't get money.
16:44 If they're not performing,
16:45 there's other players.
16:47 - You should replace them. - Absolutely.
16:48 I think...
16:50 With Suhail's point about accountability,
16:52 I want to add one more thing.
16:54 Look, we've won matches for the past year and a half.
16:59 - Right. - Our individual ranking is top.
17:01 - You're the best. - You're in the top team.
17:03 - Right. - But there...
17:05 What did we struggle with in the World Cup?
17:08 - We struggled in the middle cover, right? - Yes.
17:10 Before the World Cup,
17:11 or a year or two ago,
17:13 we had the best bowling attack in the world.
17:16 - Right. - Where were we doing better?
17:20 - In the first power play? - And in the end?
17:21 - Or in the end? - Absolutely.
17:23 We were struggling in the middle even then.
17:25 - But we were winning. - We're talking about 2010.
17:27 But we were winning.
17:29 Those performances would be quiet.
17:30 We didn't rectify our failure there.
17:33 We didn't work on our mistakes there.
17:37 So, now, in the World Cup, we know that we're struggling in the middle.
17:41 - Yeah. - Second part.
17:43 Your player, Naseem Shah, was sharing a new ball with you,
17:47 with Shaheen.
17:48 He got injured suddenly.
17:50 - No matter how he was, he wasn't a wicket-taker. - Right.
17:53 But he was playing a disciplined ball.
17:55 He was supporting Shaheen from the other end.
17:58 You didn't have a new ball-baller.
18:00 Sometimes you're playing with an off-spinner,
18:01 sometimes with Harish, sometimes with Hassan.
18:03 Why didn't you have a new ball-baller?
18:04 That's the question.
18:05 You were only happy about winning,
18:06 but you didn't see what were the flaws there.
18:10 What was our mistake?
18:11 Even after winning, if you don't learn from your mistakes,
18:15 your performances will be like this.
18:17 Let's do a little comparative analysis.
18:19 If Faizan can remind me,
18:21 which four bowlers were there in 2019?
18:23 - Mohammad Amir, Wahab Riaz, - Wahab Riaz.
18:25 - Naseem... - Hassan Ali.
18:27 - Shaheen Afridi. - Hassan Ali.
18:28 - Hassan Ali. - Hassan Ali.
18:29 Shadab and left-arm of Smarty.
18:32 - Imad Wasim. - Imad Wasim.
18:34 We even got Harish Wills to bowl on that.
18:36 So, if we do a comparison, Gulbhai,
18:38 you both are sitting here.
18:39 Don't you think that the bowling lineup
18:42 was a very big bowling lineup
18:43 comparatively to our bowling lineup today?
18:46 I'm talking about Naseem Shah.
18:49 Look, obviously, experience with having Wahab and Amir,
18:54 obviously, experience is added.
18:55 They had eight to ten years of cricket experience.
18:59 If I look at this lot,
19:02 Harish, Shaheen,
19:03 - five years is enough. - Five years is a lot of time.
19:06 - Enough time. - Come on.
19:08 - We played cricket for so long. - But the problem is,
19:10 as you can see,
19:12 we're very good in T20.
19:14 The reason is, if you get runs in the first two overs,
19:18 even today, we're giving runs in the beginning,
19:20 but we're very good in the last few overs.
19:22 - You've seen all the matches. - We maintain.
19:24 We bowl very well in death.
19:25 But the base that Naseem used to make for us
19:29 in power play,
19:31 he used to bowl five overs out of ten,
19:32 and 14 or 15 runs in five overs.
19:34 He used to make a base for us.
19:36 In the entire tournament, we struggled
19:38 because we didn't have a base.
19:39 On top of that, we used to give runs openly.
19:42 And after that, we used to try to overcome
19:45 and control the entire bowling match.
19:50 We bowled out in the last few overs
19:51 when the damage was done.
19:53 Even today, you can see, yes, we got wickets.
19:55 Harish bowled out.
19:57 - And that too... - Naseem bowled out.
19:59 But the damage was done already.
20:02 At that time, these wickets are good for your personal stats.
20:05 But if you look at the larger picture...
20:08 - You didn't win the match. - The team's helping cause
20:11 - doesn't allow you to do that. - But...
20:13 - Yes, Ayaaz? - So...
20:14 After six months, your team will be the best in one day.
20:17 - How? - Because they won't play.
20:19 And then T20 World Cup will come.
20:20 - They won't play. - And then T20 World Cup will come.
20:22 But they won't play, right, Ayaaz?
20:24 - They'll play amongst themselves, sir. - Okay, tell me one more thing.
20:26 Where did Shaheen recover?
20:28 - Did you get his radio or not? - Which one?
20:30 - Naseem's? - Oh, sorry.
20:31 - Naseem's? - Naseem's.
20:32 Naseem will recover, it's not Naseem's problem.
20:34 Sir, I was saying, the contract issue...
20:37 - Yes. - I'll say something.
20:38 The money that ICC is giving to the players,
20:40 give it for the performance.
20:42 - Okay. - So, everyone's performance will be good.
20:43 Everyone's performance will be good.
20:44 Then you'll also get a cut.
20:46 The boy has brought a point.
20:50 - Come on, we'll fix our own house. - No, no.
20:52 We'll start from here.
20:54 - Answer him. - Yes, sir, you answer.
20:55 It's not ICC, it's not PCB.
20:57 But the contract that you make,
20:59 it's on your fitness,
21:02 it's on your performance and it's on your matches.
21:04 - This is included. - Okay, let's go.
21:05 - But when did we get our fitness test? - Listen, listen.
21:07 - Last time... - Listen, Aisha.
21:08 The tournament is over.
21:10 - What? - It's over.
21:11 Who all did you think fit in this team?
21:13 Eleven.
21:14 - Eleven? - Who's fit?
21:15 Do you think Shaheen is fit?
21:16 - No. - Shaheen...
21:18 - was obviously struggling. - Struggling.
21:20 He looked tired.
21:21 And you went with a tired bowler.
21:23 - You can say he was tired. - Yes.
21:25 - And then, if we talk about you... - He was tired.
21:27 - Fakhar. - Fakhar.
21:29 - Fakhar was injured. - He was injured.
21:31 - Rizwan, again... - Rizwan is injured.
21:34 - Sometimes acting, sometimes cramps. - Oh, my God.
21:36 - Sometimes acting, sometimes cramps. - Look at him.
21:38 You can say he was cramps.
21:39 - He fell so badly. - I saw Maxwell cramps too.
21:42 - See? - It was fun.
21:44 He's still fit to play the next match.
21:46 But I'm not just saying that he should cramp in the match.
21:50 - I'm not saying anything. - He won the match.
21:52 - He won the match by assaulting. - Agree.
21:53 I'm saying that we're not talking about cramps.
21:57 - Yes. - It's understandable.
21:58 First, you shouldn't cramp because you should be fit enough
22:01 to play 50 over cricket.
22:03 We feel that every player has struggled to play 50 over.
22:07 But still, when you enter a tournament
22:10 knowing that many of your players are not 100% fit...
22:13 - Yes. - How can you do it?
22:15 Do you think it's fair?
22:16 Did you do it with honesty?
22:18 - Look, there can be two or three reasons for cramps. - I'm not talking about cramps.
22:21 No, I'll clear it so that the audience can know.
22:24 - I'll clear it. - One minute.
22:25 - I'm very sorry. - No, please, Ms. Bha.
22:27 - I... - Ms. Bha raised her hand.
22:30 - I think... - I have to go out.
22:31 - Gary, I have to go out. - What?
22:33 - Yes. - Gary, I have to go out.
22:34 I think there's some issue in this team's cooperation.
22:37 But I don't know if there's an issue.
22:38 - There is an issue. - Okay.
22:40 - They don't cooperate. - Wow!
22:41 - That's great. - Wow!
22:43 Gary doesn't cooperate.
22:44 See, but how do you assess fitness?
22:46 They haven't taken tests for years.
22:48 - I'm trying to ask. - How do you assess?
22:50 Yes, Mr. Umar.
22:51 Answer. It's done.
22:52 Ms. Bha's question was for today.
22:53 There were two lines.
22:54 - She wanted us to do it. - Are you done?
22:56 - Yes, I'm done. - There are some fielders in the match
22:59 who hide that this is our field.
23:01 No, I'm talking about cramps.
23:02 There can be two or three reasons for cramps.
23:04 One is that you get cramps due to the heat.
23:08 Secondly, what diet do you take before the match?
23:10 - This is very important. - Biryani?
23:12 - It can be anything. - Thirdly,
23:15 the players who can't tolerate the match pressure
23:18 - get cramps. - Yes.
23:20 I agree with that.
23:21 But either of these things,
23:23 this is part and parcel of cricket.
23:26 If you've gone to play the World Cup,
23:28 you are good enough to be taking all kinds of pressure
23:32 and any kind of stress.
23:34 If you can't do it, then you're not made for it.
23:37 It's a simple thing. Suhail, I'm wrong.
23:40 I think in the past two years,
23:43 we've focused too much on fitness.
23:47 - We've focused on fitness. - Mr. Minspa.
23:50 - We always go to extremes. - Okay.
23:53 I think we're not doing enough.
23:55 - Testing. - You can see
23:57 the fitness and the bulkiness of the players.
24:01 - Are you talking about Imam Ullah? - A lot of them.
24:02 - Not just him, but many. - Okay.
24:04 - I'm talking about him. - I think you're not doing enough.
24:07 I feel that we...
24:10 Basically, our body structures,
24:15 - I'm talking about the Pakistani nation. - Yes.
24:17 We're not physically strong and fit.
24:20 - We're not naturally fit. - Okay.
24:21 You can't make fitness a criteria.
24:24 Because in the past,
24:26 we've produced many legends,
24:28 but they weren't super athletes.
24:30 We're a skill-based team
24:33 that plays on our skills.
24:35 But in modern day cricket,
24:37 because the demand for cricket has changed,
24:39 you have to keep the balance in between.
24:43 I feel that...
24:45 Because boys have played a lot of cricket.
24:47 - They've left league cricket. - That's the problem.
24:50 - There's nothing else. - Yes.
24:51 - I can see fatigue. - If you look at Wasim...
24:54 We've talked about this a lot.
24:56 Umar, you, me, all of us.
24:58 To sum up, there's a word, "planning".
25:00 - There's no planning. - No planning.
25:02 How to use the players.
25:04 Which player will be replaced.
25:07 Because injury is a part and parcel of our sport.
25:10 Mishra and Ayaz were saying something else.
25:11 They said it's not a matter of planning, but of intention.
25:13 - Yes. - That's what I was saying.
25:16 - You're not getting that. - We cooperate.
25:17 - Mishra. - We've played nine matches in this tournament.
25:20 We've played 50 overs in so many matches.
25:22 We didn't even bat.
25:24 - We're still in 43.3 overs. - One match.
25:25 - Too much to ask. - One match.
25:26 - Exactly. - We've played 50 overs in Afghanistan.
25:29 - We've played 50 overs in the world cup. - That's what I'm talking about.
25:31 We're not even able to play 50 overs.
25:33 - What do we do? - It's simple.
25:34 When you win big events,
25:35 or win big trophies in the world cup or ICC,
25:38 you don't have to play well in phases.
25:41 - We... - You have to play throughout.
25:42 We were unlucky.
25:43 We played well in phases,
25:45 but we didn't play consistently throughout.
25:47 - Yes. - That's why we couldn't finish in fourth place.
25:50 Until you consistently perform in such big events,
25:53 in all three departments, not just batting,
25:55 but in bowling, batting and fielding,
25:57 you can't survive.
25:58 I don't understand one thing.
26:00 When you're selected for the world cup team,
26:02 or for the Pakistan team,
26:04 you're the best in the country.
26:07 Best available.
26:08 If you can't bowl six balls at one place,
26:12 then you don't deserve to be a part of that team.
26:14 - I think you should be this professional. - Absolutely.
26:16 - You should be this accurate and have the ability to do that. - Absolutely.
26:21 Agreed. 100%.
26:22 I agree with you.
26:23 Because, look,
26:24 the way batsmen have a partnership,
26:26 they rotate the strike,
26:28 one under pressure, the other takes the strike,
26:31 and that's a burden.
26:32 The same goes for bowlers.
26:34 Until the bowlers don't bowl in a partnership,
26:36 you can never win a wicket.
26:38 I'm talking about five or six months ago.
26:40 - We're not going too far. - Okay.
26:42 - Naseem Shah and Shaheen bowl new balls. - Yes.
26:45 - Naseem Shah... - He used to win wickets.
26:48 He used to build pressure.
26:49 Even if he didn't win wickets,
26:51 you can see Shaheen Shah's performance last year.
26:55 - He won more. - How many?
26:56 - More. - Why not now?
26:58 - Because Naseem... - He didn't build pressure.
27:01 Shaheen has bowled 38 overs in the first spell,
27:07 which is a new ball.
27:09 He bowled 203 innings,
27:11 and only three outs.
27:12 The reason is that no one was supporting him.
27:14 No one was supporting him. Absolutely.
27:16 You're absolutely right.
27:17 You can call it a loss of planning.
27:19 Overall, our system is facing a lot of problems.
27:23 But it's not wrong
27:25 that whatever was asked for was provided in this World Cup.
27:30 Despite that, it wasn't delivered.
27:32 So, we'll have a lot to talk about.
27:34 We'll talk a little more.
27:35 We'll take a short break. Don't go anywhere.
27:36 We'll be right back.
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27:46 Let's take a look at today's scorecard
27:49 and see how the performances were.
27:51 The only difference in the last matches was Fakhar.
27:54 Fakhar couldn't do anything today.
27:56 Salman played a good inning today.
27:59 If we start with England,
28:01 we'll go a little that way.
28:03 Faizan, tell us how it was.
28:05 England scored 337.
28:07 England played a good batting.
28:08 Stokes scored 84.
28:10 They weren't playing well.
28:13 Root was out of the form.
28:15 But it was a must for Pakistan to get back in form.
28:17 Baristow scored 59.
28:19 He struggled throughout the World Cup.
28:20 They scored 337.
28:22 Harris Routh maintained his continuity.
28:24 He scored 64 in 10 overs.
28:26 He was successful in outing three players.
28:27 Shaheen Afridi scored 72.
28:29 Wasim scored 74.
28:31 We're playing a game of who scores more.
28:33 - We're playing a game of who scores more. - Oh, yes.
28:35 We scored 244 in response to that.
28:37 Let's get back to the response.
28:38 Before that, my team told me
28:39 that Harris Routh has given very few runs today.
28:43 - So, let's compare it to 90-100 runs. - 90-100.
28:46 - Yes. - If we compare...
28:47 Umar, when you used to play 10 overs,
28:49 what was your maximum average score in 10 overs?
28:53 Well, at that time, if you...
28:58 Obviously, cricket has changed now.
29:00 Both ends have been replaced.
29:01 If you score 60-70 runs and out two runs,
29:05 you can call it good bowling.
29:06 - 70 is good bowling. - Yes.
29:08 - You can out two or three. - Because of the new balls.
29:10 Yes, yes.
29:12 If you go back eight to ten years,
29:15 I think...
29:16 - 35, 40, 50. - It was very good bowling.
29:19 - It was good bowling. - It was very good bowling.
29:21 If you score 60 runs and out one or two in 60 runs,
29:24 I think you'd call it reasonable bowling.
29:27 - Okay, it's reasonable bowling. - Yes.
29:28 Okay, Faizan.
29:29 Pakistan scored 244 runs in the second half.
29:32 Salman Ali Agha was the highest scorer.
29:34 He scored 51 runs in 45 runs.
29:36 Then there was Babur Azam, our captain.
29:38 He scored 38 runs in the second half.
29:40 Willy scored 56 runs and out three players from England.
29:43 Atkinson out two players and scored 45 runs.
29:46 - This was Willy's last match, by the way. - Oh, yes.
29:48 - He announced his retirement. - How old was he?
29:51 - 35. - 35?
29:52 - Too soon. - Yes, and this is the same age
29:53 in which we made Tawish Khan debut.
29:56 Let's leave that.
29:58 You can see a wonderful package of David Willy.
30:02 He wasn't offered a central contract.
30:03 He was the only player in the World Cup squad
30:06 - who wasn't offered a contract. - He played without a contract.
30:09 He wasn't offered a contract and he announced his retirement.
30:14 So, the problem is that there are many similarities in the world.
30:17 The same issues.
30:19 If we talk about these players,
30:22 England didn't have a good run in the World Cup.
30:25 Even we were not as good as they were.
30:28 But we made them feel at the end
30:32 that they shouldn't worry.
30:33 - You're right. - Don't feel left out.
30:35 - Open your minds and make a run. - In fact, I think
30:39 - they can win the Champions Trophy. - Yes.
30:41 - They can. - Yes, sir.
30:42 - They have qualified after this match. - We don't let anyone go.
30:45 - They have qualified for the Champions Trophy. - We'll win the Champions Trophy.
30:48 We were there, so we'll help them a little.
30:52 But Pakistan has secured its fifth position today
30:55 - because Afghanistan is not made. - That's great.
30:58 - At least, we got something. - Thanks to Haris Rauf.
31:00 Thanks to Haris Rauf.
31:01 Let's talk about batting.
31:03 You did a great job today.
31:05 I want to show you the batting.
31:07 I have a question for you. It's very interesting.
31:09 Look at this.
31:10 Haris Rauf said that he gave so many runs today.
31:15 - I made a few runs. - He made a few runs.
31:17 Haris Rauf said that he can bat on the sixth number.
31:20 Oh, so I'm an all-rounder now.
31:22 The upcoming captain also made a run today.
31:24 - Oh, the upcoming... - Look, don't do this.
31:26 - You scored more than 20 runs. - We're in a conspiracy.
31:30 But if your batters come from below and bat like this,
31:35 - what do you think we're trying to say? - Intent.
31:39 - Intent. - That's not there.
31:41 I think...
31:42 It's a good thing if a talenter runs from below.
31:46 15 to 20 runs. Because you expect this.
31:49 - In the last matches, where we needed... - We didn't do it.
31:52 Our batters and talenters could have scored 10 to 15 runs.
31:56 Maybe the result would have changed today.
31:59 There was no pressure.
32:00 - Right. - Obviously, no outs.
32:02 - He ran... - What can you do about it?
32:05 - He was fearless. - He was enjoying.
32:06 - There was no pressure. - He was fearless.
32:07 It's not fearless. It's called clueless.
32:10 - It's clueless. - When there's no issue,
32:13 - then what's the point of being fearless? - I felt like you weren't playing.
32:16 - I know... - You didn't see him bowling, batting or on the field.
32:19 - He was on the field. - He was off.
32:21 Do you think it was the right decision to let Shadab play today?
32:25 Well, you had the resources for this pitch.
32:28 You needed a spinner.
32:29 So, obviously, it was the right call.
32:32 You didn't have an option.
32:33 What future do you see for Shadab after this World Cup?
32:37 Look, Shadab...
32:39 He's still talented. He's a good character.
32:41 He's served Pakistan.
32:43 - He's been a big question mark on his performances. - Since 2011.
32:47 He should go back to domestic cricket.
32:50 - Where does that happen? - There, the game is formed.
32:52 Score runs, get wickets.
32:54 And then play international cricket again.
32:57 But for that, I think it's important to go to domestic cricket.
33:00 And you have the rhythm and confidence.
33:04 When you go to domestic cricket, it's comparatively easy to perform.
33:08 Because international cricket is difficult.
33:10 - So, when you perform in domestic... - Sorry, I'm cutting you off.
33:14 - I have a question for both of you. - Yes.
33:16 The question is, when a player thinks that we are the best
33:19 in this entire lot,
33:21 does the learning process end?
33:23 When you played, did you think that you were the best?
33:26 - And there's nothing else? - Look, the learning process never ends.
33:29 When you think that you're complete, it means that your downfall has begun.
33:32 - That's a marriage thing. - It means that your downfall has begun.
33:35 Marriage has to be a topic of discussion in my heart.
33:38 The learning process never ends.
33:40 You can learn anything at any time.
33:42 As far as Shadab is concerned, what's its future,
33:45 I think all our players, especially the bowlers,
33:49 - including Nawaz... - Domestic players.
33:53 We struggled in the middle overs.
33:55 We don't have a new bowler.
33:57 There are a lot of inconsistents.
33:59 So, it means that if our players come back from the World Cup
34:03 after a little rest,
34:04 our domestic is on.
34:06 - The board should... - But they're tired.
34:09 - You just said... - How many days?
34:12 We'll rest for 10 days.
34:14 After that, your domestic is on.
34:16 Go and play domestically.
34:17 From there, rectify your mistakes.
34:20 Work on your mistakes.
34:22 Play first-class matches.
34:23 Bring yourself back to rhythm and form.
34:26 Whatever mistake you're making or whatever problem you're having,
34:29 go and play long in the first class.
34:31 Your momentum will come back.
34:32 I think the board or the selection committee,
34:37 the two-format players,
34:39 the ones who play Test and 1-day or T20 and 1-day,
34:42 they should be instructed to play first-class cricket.
34:45 - At least one... - Compulsory 4-day cricket.
34:48 Again, depending on availability.
34:50 If you don't have a commitment with the Pakistan team,
34:52 if you're free,
34:53 you can play T20.
34:56 You can play PSL or domestic T20.
34:59 You don't need...
35:00 Still, I feel it's better
35:02 that even if you're a T20 bowler,
35:04 play 4-day cricket.
35:06 It definitely helps you
35:08 in terms of getting a better bowler.
35:10 But 1-day or Test cricket,
35:12 definitely you have to play first-class cricket.
35:15 Bowling in different phases,
35:17 doing three spells in a day,
35:19 attacking with a new ball,
35:21 if you want to bowl after lunch,
35:23 you have to stop a few runs.
35:25 Then, T20... I mean, in every session...
35:26 If I ask this question today,
35:28 as soon as the boys come back,
35:29 it's possible that they'll say,
35:31 "We won't play for the next three months.
35:33 We'll take a break till PSL."
35:34 Or they'll say, "When is Pakistan playing? We can play."
35:36 But that won't happen.
35:38 And I'm telling you, that won't happen.
35:39 None of them will play for Pakistan.
35:41 It's not possible.
35:42 You're a contracted player.
35:43 It's not like it's the end of the world.
35:46 Your cricket career is over.
35:47 You have to go to Australia.
35:49 You have to prepare for that.
35:50 If they say, "We're tired. We're not going to Australia.
35:53 You feed the new players."
35:55 Just to prove a point.
35:57 Can you see?
35:57 After us...
35:58 Shahdaab did a press conference, if you remember.
36:01 After losing the Afghan series.
36:03 He said, "See, I told you.
36:06 If this happens, then this happens."
36:07 I think you should respect the players.
36:10 You should give rest to the other boards if they need it.
36:14 But again, you can't make them play straight away internationally.
36:18 You should tell them to bring their form back.
36:21 Play domestically.
36:22 You prove it there.
36:23 Show us your performance.
36:25 Then you can play with the Pakistan team or the national team.
36:28 It's not like it's the end of the world.
36:30 We're all disheartened and disappointed.
36:34 I'm sure...
36:36 I think they're more disappointed than us.
36:37 Because the players there will be more hurt.
36:41 Moving forward...
36:43 The way forward is that the ballers...
36:46 The biggest drawback is that we're not ready for long cricket.
36:51 We don't have practice.
36:52 Today, Haris played a new ball.
36:54 I'm not sure if he ever played a new ball in practice.
36:58 You don't pick up a ball and play with a new ball.
37:01 If Haris was playing first-class cricket,
37:05 he would have to play a new ball and bowl at the same spot.
37:08 It's the same thing over and over again.
37:10 The drawback is that he doesn't have to play now.
37:12 He's playing rock stars.
37:14 He's enjoying his time on the net.
37:18 You sent me the video of Hasan Ali and Iftikhar.
37:21 It's okay to enjoy.
37:23 As long as you are doing it.
37:25 We're focusing on the recording.
37:27 As long as you're doing it.
37:28 You've done your spell.
37:30 As long as you're doing it right.
37:32 Unfortunately, that's not happening.
37:34 - That's the question mark. - You have a schedule.
37:36 If you enjoy it, there's no harm.
37:39 But your main job should be done first.
37:41 If you're justifying that,
37:43 then you're a jolly character like Jolly Hasan Ali.
37:47 You said it yourself. As long as you're justifying it,
37:49 - you don't really care. - Exactly. That's it.
37:51 Misha, schedule.
37:52 I want to know how tired Pakistan is going to be.
37:54 What's the workload? Let's manage it.
37:56 We were talking about FTP.
37:58 If you look at the entire schedule,
38:00 you won't see ODIs till next November 2024.
38:03 - This is all T20. - All tests.
38:05 We're playing three tests in Australia.
38:08 From December to January 2024.
38:09 Which is literally the next thing that we have.
38:11 In January 2024, we'll play five T20s against New Zealand.
38:16 In April, again, five T20s against New Zealand.
38:19 We'll play on their home in May.
38:21 Again, three T20s.
38:23 So, we see T20s, T20s, T20s.
38:25 Netherlands, Ireland, England.
38:28 We can play against Netherlands.
38:29 - We don't know about Ireland. - One thing is good.
38:31 Because now we're building towards the T20 World Cup.
38:34 So, this would be good for that.
38:36 Yes, but again, we'll do this.
38:38 We'll bring everyone here.
38:39 We'll bring them on the basis of ODI.
38:41 I don't know if we'll change the captain.
38:42 No, everyone is behind.
38:43 We'll change the captain on the basis of ODI.
38:45 Sohail, the camera is in front of you.
38:47 Any suggestions?
38:47 Since we don't have cricket for the next entire year,
38:52 in which ODI is not a part of cricket,
38:53 what should PCB do to create their ODI team
38:58 when there are no matches at this time?
39:00 Look, what you're showing here,
39:04 what our next schedule is,
39:05 I think, just because of the T20 World Cup,
39:08 this schedule, with the other boards,
39:11 sometimes, what do you call it,
39:12 mutual understanding, you make it.
39:14 - Let's do this. - If you see,
39:15 there are T20 matches.
39:17 So, it means, keeping the World Cup in mind,
39:20 they're preparing.
39:21 Every board tries to do this.
39:22 If you talk about this year...
39:23 And secondly, T20, sorry to cut you,
39:25 you know, nowadays, it's a business,
39:28 you generate revenue, and in T20,
39:30 so, I mean, it's fair enough.
39:32 - You have to do it. - Obviously,
39:34 if you generate revenue,
39:35 it will be spent on domestic cricket,
39:37 or the players will get it.
39:39 - Sorry. - Yes, Gulbhai.
39:40 Now you can continue.
39:40 No, no, that's what I'm saying.
39:43 Secondly, the ICC should also focus more on one day.
39:48 I think, the concept of two new boards,
39:51 that's also why, so that...
39:54 - The players don't get tired. - No, no.
39:57 There was a board before,
39:59 where the scoring was very low,
40:01 and the reverse wing was early.
40:02 - So, you wanted to... - So, one day,
40:05 to entertain the crowd,
40:07 they put up a new board from both ends.
40:08 So, I think, the ICC should think about something else,
40:11 or they should do more ODI matches,
40:13 or they should bring something else,
40:15 so that people's interest increases.
40:16 Because, nowadays, you see,
40:18 a while ago, we were saying that
40:20 David Willey, who is now retiring at 35 years,
40:23 - and the other one... - Naveen.
40:25 - Naveen Ullath. - From Afghanistan, yeah.
40:28 - Naveen Ullath. - Naveen.
40:30 He's leaving ODI at 24 years.
40:32 Just because of franchise cricket.
40:34 T20 cricket has increased a lot.
40:35 So, this is unfair.
40:37 There should be a clause,
40:38 that unless you serve your country to this extent,
40:43 you can't play franchise cricket.
40:45 - Shouldn't it be like that? - Who gives NOC to the players?
40:48 The board gives it to you, right?
40:49 They can't play as they wish,
40:51 - if I'm wrong. - It's a very off question.
40:53 Sorry, Misha, I'm interrupting.
40:54 I shouldn't be asking this question.
40:55 It's a very unethical question.
40:57 But, our...
41:00 - Kabba bowler, spinner, what was his name? - Imad.
41:02 Imad is a central contract.
41:04 He's not in your plan,
41:07 at least, I haven't seen him for the last 1.5 years.
41:10 So, what's his issue?
41:11 Why is he like that?
41:13 What's the matter that he...
41:15 I don't say what he's saying, it's unfair.
41:17 But, your overall planning was wrong.
41:20 Look, a few days ago,
41:23 he was talking a lot,
41:26 he was tweeting, answering,
41:27 and replying to each other.
41:29 Who?
41:30 Imad replied,
41:32 that if he shouldn't be called a domestic player,
41:35 then he shouldn't be allowed to play internationally.
41:38 So, Imad responded to that.
41:40 I think, apart of that,
41:42 being a professional,
41:45 if you think that you want to play international cricket,
41:49 then you have to give preference.
41:51 - Preference. - To keep yourself fit,
41:55 so that if you get on the ground, you can compete with other girls.
41:58 Being a senior, whatever,
42:01 if you think that you want to play competitive cricket,
42:05 then I think, you should give preference to domestic cricket.
42:07 I want to show you today's innings of Mitch Marsh,
42:09 from competitive cricket.
42:11 We were talking about,
42:13 which batters are there,
42:14 who make the next team scared.
42:16 There's Klaasen, there's a player like that,
42:18 there's D'Cock.
42:20 If we talk about our team,
42:21 then there's only one Fakhar,
42:23 who has been batting for a long time,
42:25 and he was a bit benign.
42:27 But, this is the kind of innings,
42:29 which is needed on a regular basis.
42:32 If you want to win ODIs,
42:34 you don't see this kind of intent in our players.
42:38 There's no capability,
42:41 or we didn't develop this kind of temperament,
42:44 of our cricketers.
42:45 Because, I'm also following domestic cricket,
42:48 I don't see somebody playing like this.
42:52 You don't see this kind of deadly batting.
42:54 Look, we can relate to ourselves,
42:58 from the England cricket team in 2015.
43:01 Okay.
43:01 If you,
43:03 you must have seen the World Cup,
43:05 England's team,
43:06 at that time, they also had,
43:08 all the test cricket batsmen,
43:11 and they struggled badly.
43:13 There, they realized,
43:14 that now it's time to change.
43:16 They didn't just change the team,
43:18 they changed the whole mindset.
43:20 They gave a message to domestic cricket,
43:23 to club cricket,
43:25 that now cricket has changed.
43:26 Now, it's aggressive cricket,
43:28 it's intent cricket,
43:29 so, we'll bring forward these kinds of players.
43:32 Ian Morgan, he created a team,
43:34 they struggled in the beginning,
43:35 obviously, because they brought a new concept.
43:37 But, they took the players with them,
43:43 and they won the World Cup in 2019.
43:45 And, before the World Cup started in 2023,
43:48 England was the favourite.
43:50 So, we also,
43:51 it won't happen just by changing the players,
43:53 you have to give a message to the whole system,
43:55 that now, modern day cricket,
43:59 according to that, the players have to be ready.
44:01 Point noted, before we go,
44:03 we'll show you the semi-final schedule,
44:05 what's the situation,
44:06 what's the situation like.
44:08 India will play Wednesday, 15th November,
44:11 in Mumbai, against New Zealand.
44:14 We hope that they'll be out of the game,
44:17 and then...
44:19 - They're playing to find out. - And then,
44:20 South Africa and Australia will play.
44:23 Here, too, I pray that South Africa
44:27 - will play the final. - Yes.
44:28 Although, as usual,
44:30 it'll be a 99-99 situation.
44:33 Don't choke.
44:35 And the final will be in Ahmedabad,
44:37 - that is on Sunday, the 19th. - 19th.
44:40 We hope that...
44:42 we don't win.
44:43 India.
44:45 So, take care of yourselves.
44:46 We'll meet again.
44:48 Sir Faxel, presenter for The Paes Show.
44:50 - Bye-bye. Take care. Thank you. - Bye-bye. Thank you.
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