Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 26th September 2023

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Transcript

00:00:00 Bismillah-e-Rahman-e-Rahim, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Baakhabar-e-Sabeera, you are watching, I am

00:00:20 Sadaf Abdul Jabbar and I have with me a very famous person.

00:00:25 Thank you so much.

00:00:26 What is your name?

00:00:27 I am a famous person and I can tell you my name.

00:00:32 So, I am Lashfaq Satti Hazir Janab ji.

00:00:36 I am here in front of you.

00:00:39 Sadaf and I were discussing something just before going on air.

00:00:43 We come on Monday, right?

00:00:44 Yes.

00:00:45 So, we let this make-up be.

00:00:46 Yes.

00:00:47 We are charged up.

00:00:48 Yes.

00:00:49 This and that.

00:00:50 On Tuesday, you know, usually when you wake up, what happened to me when I woke up today,

00:00:55 I thought why am I in this world?

00:00:58 What is the purpose of my life?

00:01:00 Is going to the office that important?

00:01:02 Then you remember your bills.

00:01:03 But believe me, I am here because of the salary I am going to get.

00:01:09 Wow, wow, wow.

00:01:10 You have told so much truth.

00:01:11 Don't you remember those bills, credit card bills, electricity bills?

00:01:14 Stop it.

00:01:15 Then you say, get up, get ready, go to the office.

00:01:17 This time, the bills have come less.

00:01:19 Everyone will relate, I will tell you.

00:01:21 Yes, I can.

00:01:22 This time, the bills have come less.

00:01:23 Don't tell.

00:01:24 Okay, first of all, I was very lenient.

00:01:26 People were very lenient.

00:01:27 Last time, when everyone was shouting, that was because of that.

00:01:31 Don't tell.

00:01:32 People will see.

00:01:33 And those who want to know, they will increase the bills.

00:01:36 They will say that they are having a lot of fun.

00:01:37 Oh.

00:01:38 Anyway, this will keep happening.

00:01:40 So, when we are talking about BKB, there will be 70% battery, then 60, then 50 and then suddenly.

00:01:47 No, no, then we will keep charging in it.

00:01:49 We will keep recharging.

00:01:50 Because, when we communicate with you, we also have a catharsis.

00:01:55 And we realize that you guys, despite going through a difficult phase, you still put a smile on your face.

00:02:01 And then, there are many stars among us who make Pakistan's name shine, despite it all.

00:02:06 You are talking about stars, those stars.

00:02:08 Okay.

00:02:09 I thought you were talking about me.

00:02:10 Okay, let's include the top stories.

00:02:12 Tuta Tara.

00:02:18 Former Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif says that Nabas Sharif is coming back to Pakistan on 21st October.

00:02:24 The program is final.

00:02:25 The workers, the jurists, the guests, and the celebrations.

00:02:30 Former Prime Minister Shahid Khakha Nabassi says that he is in Muslim League Noon but is not participating in the meeting.

00:02:38 We should ask Shahbaz Sharif that why didn't he calculate your government?

00:02:47 The increasing prices of petroleum products are causing problems for the farmers.

00:02:51 The ambulance service is also affected.

00:02:53 The journey from home to the hospital is also expensive.

00:02:55 35% of the patients have stopped using the ambulance.

00:02:59 Imagine, the cost is so high that even the addicts are worried.

00:03:08 Yes, imagine.

00:03:09 And they are protesting, so a normal person, who is in a normal state of mind.

00:03:13 But he was protesting against the increase in the prices of drugs.

00:03:17 He was monitoring the people in the gutters.

00:03:20 Anyway, we will discuss this later.

00:03:25 We have a lot of news in the political scene.

00:03:28 What is new news?

00:03:29 There is a new excitement in the news.

00:03:31 Former Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif says that Nabas Sharif is coming back to Pakistan on 21st October.

00:03:40 Yes, he is coming back on 21st October.

00:03:43 The programme is now final.

00:03:45 In a media interview in London, he said that when Nabas Sharif comes, he will increase the journey of progress from where he stopped.

00:03:53 From 1947?

00:03:55 No, he is talking about 2017.

00:03:57 He says that he stopped at the place where he stopped.

00:03:59 I think it was Shahid Khan Abbasi in 2017.

00:04:03 Yes.

00:04:04 He says that the workers should be ready for the welcome.

00:04:08 And before Nabas Sharif comes, all the workers of Noor League have not been given travel permits.

00:04:15 Yes, it has been said that no one should leave the country before 21st October.

00:04:21 Yes.

00:04:22 Finally, we are bringing Nabas Sharif on 21st October.

00:04:27 We will welcome him to Pakistan on a grand date.

00:04:32 He will tell the leaders that they should travel abroad after 21st October.

00:04:37 London is very eager to meet Qaid.

00:04:45 I have a request from them that they should welcome Qaid in Pakistan.

00:04:54 They should prepare for that.

00:04:56 Nabas Sharif is the architect of Pakistan's development and prosperity.

00:05:01 Pakistan is coming back to Pakistan to continue the journey of progress.

00:05:10 And the journey of development and prosperity will continue.

00:05:14 Let's talk about Shahid Khan Abbasi.

00:05:18 He is a senior leader and a former Prime Minister.

00:05:21 But he is not happy with Noor League and is a part of it.

00:05:25 Family politicians say that they do not leave the party but there are differences with it.

00:05:31 Yes, and they are very graceful.

00:05:34 They say that they are in the party but not in the discussion.

00:05:38 And they should ask Shahbaz Sharif that if it was your government, why did you not settle the issue?

00:05:45 I have been a Muslim in Noor League for 35 years.

00:05:51 But I have always said that I am not satisfied with the current politics of the country.

00:05:57 And we have to sit together and discuss the issue.

00:06:06 And then we will go to the elections.

00:06:09 Otherwise, the elections will not give you anything but a lot of confusion.

00:06:11 Are you satisfied with the party politics?

00:06:13 Are you trying to fix the party?

00:06:14 I am not a party official.

00:06:16 I am not a part of any discussion.

00:06:18 You are sitting outside looking into what your party is doing.

00:06:22 If you are satisfied, then politics will end.

00:06:25 I should not be satisfied.

00:06:27 We cannot be satisfied with the current political situation of the country and the party.

00:06:32 If Mian Sahib becomes the Prime Minister, will you consider yourself a minister?

00:06:36 No, I will not consider myself a minister.

00:06:38 I have said that until you decide the path ahead,

00:06:42 you have to win the elections first.

00:06:44 You have to participate in the elections first.

00:06:46 You have to win the elections first.

00:06:47 Then you can become a minister.

00:06:49 Very interesting.

00:06:50 Some politicians are seasoned politicians.

00:06:54 They have seen the government's court and the political developments.

00:06:58 Whenever they talk, because they are not usually active,

00:07:03 they do not give statements on the media.

00:07:05 But whenever they talk, there is a situation of a read between the lines.

00:07:10 I am talking about Mushahid Hussain Syed Sahib.

00:07:13 He says that Nawaz Sharif's wish is not out of possibility.

00:07:16 And no one can be kept out of the elections including the PTI.

00:07:20 There is only one way to defeat a politician and that is elections.

00:07:24 He also says that because of the stupidity of the PDM,

00:07:27 he made the PTI a big power.

00:07:30 Mr. Sarfaraz Bugti, who is the current Minister of Interior,

00:07:34 says that if Nawaz Sharif comes as a criminal,

00:07:38 then he will be arrested.

00:07:42 This is a very important statement.

00:07:45 He says that there is no need for a big force to arrest him.

00:07:49 No protocol has been made.

00:07:51 The airport is a sensitive area.

00:07:52 There is no need for a meeting there anyway.

00:07:54 He says that if he does not get bail, he will be arrested.

00:07:57 And anyway, he would also like to be arrested.

00:08:00 Who wants to be arrested?

00:08:02 If this was the case, he would not have come back.

00:08:05 He was sick.

00:08:07 It is about Nawaz Sharif.

00:08:10 No protocol has been made.

00:08:12 No protocol has been discussed in our country.

00:08:16 It is a matter of the courts.

00:08:18 If the courts come as accused, we will arrest them.

00:08:22 A criminal comes and gets off the plane.

00:08:26 And to arrest him from the plane,

00:08:29 there is no need for a big force.

00:08:32 The airport is a sensitive area.

00:08:34 We will not allow a mob there anyway.

00:08:37 If he does not get bail from the court,

00:08:40 he will be arrested.

00:08:41 And anyway, he would also like to be arrested.

00:08:44 Are you ready to arrest the current Prime Minister?

00:08:47 Yes, of course.

00:08:50 What is the situation in the Loon League?

00:08:53 What are the preparations?

00:08:55 We will talk about this with the leader of the Loon League, Maiza Hameed.

00:08:58 Thank you so much. Good morning to you, Maiza.

00:09:01 Tell us, the program is final on 21st October.

00:09:04 And it is decided that the Fakir-ul-Misal will be welcomed at the airport.

00:09:09 Or there will be a gathering at Minar-e-Pakistan.

00:09:11 Obviously, he will go from the airport and stay there for a day or two.

00:09:14 What are your preparations?

00:09:16 In the name of God, the most merciful, the most merciful.

00:09:19 Thank you for inviting me to your show, Sadaf.

00:09:22 The preparations of our PMLN are going on in full swing.

00:09:27 Conventions are being held in every constituency, every district, every place.

00:09:32 The workers are full of enthusiasm and full of hope.

00:09:36 And they are very happy that their leaders are coming back to Pakistan after four years.

00:09:44 And we will welcome them in full swing.

00:09:47 In fact, the entire public is watching them, that they will come and how they can run the country in a better way.

00:09:54 So, I think that we will welcome them in full swing.

00:10:00 All kinds of preparations have been completed.

00:10:03 Whether you see KPK, whether you see South Punjab, whether you see Punjab, Central Punjab.

00:10:09 Maiza, please explain this to me.

00:10:11 Workers are holding conventions in all the areas and are preparing to welcome them.

00:10:19 And we will welcome them in Minar-e-Pakistan.

00:10:22 We don't want any rush at the airport or any problem with the public.

00:10:28 Or if the public is going in an emergency, then the ambulance should stop.

00:10:33 So, we want that when they come, they come directly to Minar-e-Pakistan.

00:10:37 Maiza Sahiba, please tell me this.

00:10:41 My voice has reached you, Maiza.

00:10:44 Yes, it is coming.

00:10:46 I was saying that you said about workers, workers are obviously connected to the party.

00:10:53 But they are also part of the public.

00:10:55 Now, the extent of inflation, poverty, skyrocketing inflation.

00:11:01 So, you said that workers and public will also be present there.

00:11:06 Now, if you didn't have a government, I could have understood that they would see Nawaz Sharif as a messiah.

00:11:11 And they would say that they will come and treat all their wounds.

00:11:15 But the PDM government, even if you say that we were not in it in that way,

00:11:21 the way Maryam Sahiba has been disassociating herself,

00:11:24 so what impact can this have in your opinion?

00:11:27 Or will it not have? Or will the public come in the same way, with enthusiasm?

00:11:33 Look, the public is very conscious, very intelligent.

00:11:38 And if some people, the workers, had forced a selected person on us,

00:11:45 then this was a very unfortunate thing, because of which the public is having to suffer everything that they are suffering today.

00:11:52 The public knows that when Mr. Nawaz Sharif came in 2013,

00:11:58 he…

00:12:01 No, no, I was talking about Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's government.

00:12:05 16 months, 16 months.

00:12:06 Obviously, you cannot erase it from memory.

00:12:09 You cannot erase this from memory as well,

00:12:14 that when Mr. Nawaz Sharif came in 2013, where was the stock exchange?

00:12:19 Food inflation.

00:12:21 Ma'am, our memory is very weak.

00:12:23 We keep short-term memories.

00:12:26 We keep short-term memories. We talk about the public.

00:12:29 You know, Sadaf, you know what the thing is, it's morning, so I want to say good things,

00:12:35 and I want to remember good things.

00:12:37 So, it's also in that, look, I'm saying the same thing,

00:12:41 that when you forced a person on the public as an experiment, as an experiment, in 2018,

00:12:49 after that, you were seeing that the economy, the situation in Pakistan,

00:12:56 everything was going down.

00:12:58 The law and order, the economy, everything was going down.

00:13:03 If Imran Khan Sahib had not paid attention to the revengeful politics,

00:13:09 and paid attention to the country,

00:13:11 then he would not have been voted out through the parliament.

00:13:16 This is the first time in the history of Pakistan.

00:13:19 If you look at the time of Mr. Nawaz Sharif, whenever he came,

00:13:24 he brought stability to the country, the stock exchange in the country went from one place to another,

00:13:29 the country's inflation was decreasing,

00:13:32 you can look at the records, the electricity load shedding was over,

00:13:36 the price of petrol was decreasing.

00:13:37 So, it's from there that the wheels of development came forward.

00:13:40 Because the head of the country is a loving Prime Minister.

00:13:45 Okay, Ma'izah, I will move forward a little bit, because statements matter a lot these days.

00:13:49 When you go to the public, how will you present what you will do and what happened to you?

00:13:55 How will you put this in front of the public? It matters a lot.

00:13:58 We saw a glimpse of this when Nawaz Sharif gave a statement that he wants accountability for those people

00:14:03 whom you say that they have become facilitated and have forced the selected.

00:14:07 Shahid Hakan Abbasi, a senior leader, a former Prime Minister of your party,

00:14:11 he is criticizing, he is saying that why didn't you do anything in your 16 months?

00:14:16 Now when you come and talk about doing something,

00:14:18 and after Bajwa Sahib left, you still had 8-9 months, you could have done something then too.

00:14:23 So, how would you respond to that?

00:14:25 Are there differences in the party? What is it? Is the party not on the same page?

00:14:28 No, the party is on the same page.

00:14:32 Many people were first saying that Mr. Nawaz Sharif is not going to come on 21st October.

00:14:38 Because they wished that he would not come on 21st October.

00:14:43 But Mr. Nawaz Sharif is coming again and again and this is the full and final thing that he is coming.

00:14:49 And now when they have believed this and their faces are standing that Mr. Nawaz Sharif is coming,

00:14:56 so now they have made a new story that maybe there is a fight of statements in PMLN.

00:15:04 No, there is no fight of statements in PMLN.

00:15:08 PMLN's statement is the same as Mr. Nawaz Sharif's statement.

00:15:11 And that is that Allah is going to punish those people and Allah is the one who will punish them.

00:15:19 But Ma'iza Sahiba, it is obvious that you have to do this early in the morning.

00:15:23 We don't want to cut off like this.

00:15:25 One minute, let me just complete.

00:15:27 I wanted to interject and ask a question.

00:15:29 It is related to this only.

00:15:31 First of all, the country's economy should be so strong that the people are happy and flourishing.

00:15:38 Then you talk about accountability and such things against any personality.

00:15:44 Or in the past we have seen examples in this regard that whenever it is tried,

00:15:48 that the people are not happy with you and such things, then it always has negative effects.

00:15:54 Are you thinking of learning a lesson from the past or will you be using the same slogan as soon as you come?

00:16:01 When Mr. Nawaz Sharif was removed,

00:16:04 it was removed when Pakistan's stock exchange was at the highest, at the sixth number.

00:16:12 Food inflation had decreased.

00:16:16 So I think that if you do not let such an elected Prime Minister complete his term,

00:16:23 and let me tell you one thing, the leaders are very smart.

00:16:26 They know who will benefit our country and who will benefit us and who is only dependent on us.

00:16:33 I am telling you this because our statement is that we will improve the country economically.

00:16:39 If in 2013, Mr. Nawaz Sharif came and in a short period of three years,

00:16:45 he did so much for the people that the inflation was reduced.

00:16:49 The most important problem these days is inflation.

00:16:52 So I think that people think the same.

00:16:55 And you will see that the welcome of Mr. Nawaz Sharif will tell you how hopeful the people are

00:17:05 that such a beloved Prime Minister is coming who wants to improve the country.

00:17:15 And when you talk about accountability, these people are already being accountable.

00:17:19 They themselves are not getting a place to hide their faces who have been unjust to Mr. Nawaz Sharif.

00:17:26 Maiza, thank you so much.

00:17:29 You have taken out time for us and are busy in many preparations.

00:17:33 He is saying that the day the welcome is given, the people will know.

00:17:38 The people are very conscious.

00:17:40 I am saying the treasury's court, the Prime Minister.

00:17:44 Mr. Nawaz Sharif will keep it with him.

00:17:47 Maybe he will. He has accountants.

00:17:50 So he will not be able to do anything.

00:17:52 So he must have a reason.

00:17:54 There is always a reason.

00:17:57 So this is the situation in Pakistani politics.

00:18:01 But I wanted to ask about Mr. Mushahidullah's statement.

00:18:04 He is saying that our Nalaikis, the PTI and PDM have given so much power to the PTI.

00:18:09 Timing matters a lot.

00:18:10 Now, as we talk about the issue of suede gas, we also have a load shedding issue.

00:18:16 It is not available at night.

00:18:19 It is available from 6.30 to 7.00 in the morning.

00:18:21 This is a part of life.

00:18:22 LPG cylinders are also used in this.

00:18:25 Now, we are seeing that we keep telling you that there is no right gauge sheet.

00:18:32 It is not properly checked.

00:18:34 Then, regarding Peshawar, we told you that last year or after that,

00:18:39 gas was being distributed in bags.

00:18:41 Now, I have seen that the carbon fiber cylinders are also quite advanced and relatively safe.

00:18:47 But the public knows this much.

00:18:50 The public knows.

00:18:51 The public is there to tell.

00:18:52 Now, when you use a defective cylinder, then there are cases of explosion.

00:18:57 This incident happened in the LPG shop in Sukkur.

00:19:01 Eight people including one child lost their lives.

00:19:05 These are the scenes when this incident happened.

00:19:07 Four injuries passed.

00:19:09 Last year, we lost our lives every day.

00:19:11 And in Karachi, also, in the last two days,

00:19:13 gas cylinders exploded in houses,

00:19:16 in which many people were injured.

00:19:18 If we think, if precautions are taken, then these precious lives can be saved.

00:19:23 But, this situation, and I am surprised that no one takes notice of this,

00:19:29 no one takes action on this,

00:19:31 otherwise, there are very prompt actions.

00:19:33 If such incidents happen in a civilized country,

00:19:35 then they should be licensed.

00:19:38 If they are licensed, then they should be taken.

00:19:40 Yes, this is a big question.

00:19:42 They should be licensed, they are ready.

00:19:43 The injections that are being given to the eyes,

00:19:45 those are also not licensed.

00:19:46 In a rented lab, injections were made in two rooms.

00:19:50 So, what to say about these cylinders,

00:19:52 there is no check and balance here.

00:19:53 This is a big question.

00:19:55 But we can tell people this.

00:19:57 Some things have been told.

00:19:58 Absolutely.

00:19:59 But, where the Nawab's report is included,

00:20:01 in which he is telling what precautions can be taken.

00:20:04 This is a big question, how to save from these unlimited cylinders.

00:20:08 And which are the cylinders approved by the government?

00:20:10 And which are they?

00:20:11 What is their identity?

00:20:12 Where, who is the distributor?

00:20:14 Where is the availability?

00:20:15 And what is their price?

00:20:16 Yes, to talk about this, we have with us,

00:20:18 Chairman, LPG Industries Association of Pakistan, Irfan Khokhar.

00:20:22 Irfan Khokhar, tell us, every year, such incidents happen.

00:20:25 Eight precious lives, one child died.

00:20:28 Reason, unlimited cylinders, precautions.

00:20:31 So, tell us, who is responsible for this?

00:20:34 Who has to keep a check and balance?

00:20:36 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.

00:20:38 This is a very sad incident.

00:20:40 And, this, every day,

00:20:42 on a daily basis, two blasts are happening.

00:20:44 And, four to six people are dying.

00:20:46 I am very thankful to Airways,

00:20:48 that they allowed me to talk on this issue.

00:20:52 You can guess, it has been 18 years,

00:20:55 I have been reading this book,

00:20:57 it has been 18 years,

00:20:58 I have been fighting this war,

00:21:01 I need your support.

00:21:02 I am not disappointed,

00:21:04 but, the thing is,

00:21:06 the government of the blind and deaf,

00:21:08 has passed,

00:21:09 I have collected every letter, every thing from here.

00:21:12 The thing is, two blasts are happening daily,

00:21:14 four to six people are dying.

00:21:16 No one is asking.

00:21:18 Now, Ugra,

00:21:20 by 2024,

00:21:21 all the authority,

00:21:23 all the authority given to the government,

00:21:25 the responsibility of the Deputy Commission and the Assistant Commission,

00:21:28 all the action against this,

00:21:30 be it the stopping of the non-ferrous cylinders,

00:21:32 or the non-ferrous gas,

00:21:34 or the overcharging,

00:21:36 in any system,

00:21:37 this is the responsibility of the district government.

00:21:39 Ugra has given the license,

00:21:41 but, here, the government of the blind and deaf,

00:21:43 and look at the state of this,

00:21:45 that I,

00:21:46 I have been screaming for 18 years.

00:21:49 In 2006, no one had the license.

00:21:51 I asked Chaudhary Maneer sir,

00:21:53 we did a complete inspection of Pakistan,

00:21:56 Mr. Sarmat,

00:21:57 even today, he is the head of LPG,

00:22:00 four cars were found to be non-ferrous.

00:22:02 Now, in Pakistan, or in your city, Karachi,

00:22:05 all the shiny cylinders you see in the shops,

00:22:07 on the hardware,

00:22:08 all of them are second-rate cylinders.

00:22:10 Sir, tell me,

00:22:11 Mr. Khokhar,

00:22:12 I am telling you,

00:22:13 I know that you are also in a lot of grief and anger,

00:22:16 but, obviously, the public is also very much affected.

00:22:18 Tell me,

00:22:19 if I,

00:22:20 if I also wanted to buy cylinders,

00:22:22 I will tell you my experience,

00:22:23 I went there,

00:22:24 I went and checked the gauge,

00:22:25 I checked the weight,

00:22:26 obviously,

00:22:27 with the gauge,

00:22:28 you can also tell from the weight,

00:22:29 that if the cylinder is empty,

00:22:30 then it means that the metal is strong.

00:22:32 Now, I have found out that

00:22:33 it is also in front of carbon fiber.

00:22:34 What are the things that the public should keep in mind

00:22:36 when buying cylinders?

00:22:38 Basically,

00:22:39 if you give this information,

00:22:40 it will be good for many.

00:22:42 Yes, first of all,

00:22:44 before the public,

00:22:45 the people sitting in the government,

00:22:49 it is their responsibility to go and check.

00:22:51 Let me tell you one thing,

00:22:52 before buying a cylinder,

00:22:53 first of all,

00:22:54 you will see this,

00:22:55 LPG distributors,

00:22:58 buy cylinders with them,

00:23:00 and buy the ones made by the agrarian agencies,

00:23:03 and tell them to give you the certificate of the third party of the agrarian agency.

00:23:07 The one who does not give you the certificate of the third party of the agrarian agency,

00:23:12 or the certificate,

00:23:13 all those cylinders are of two numbers.

00:23:15 Who will find it like this?

00:23:17 I myself could not find it.

00:23:19 This is the ideal situation,

00:23:21 but it is not happening.

00:23:22 Now, what can the public do on their own?

00:23:24 Absolutely not.

00:23:25 Sadaf, you are absolutely right.

00:23:27 I am saying that while buying a cylinder,

00:23:29 you should ask for the certificate from them,

00:23:31 because only LPG distributors can sell cylinders.

00:23:36 All the hardware shops,

00:23:38 you can see that all of them are of two numbers.

00:23:41 The hardware shop cannot sell the cylinders,

00:23:44 they have no authority.

00:23:45 I want to say that,

00:23:47 before buying a cylinder,

00:23:48 you should buy the cylinders from the distributors.

00:23:50 There is no natural gas in any house,

00:23:52 only LPG is used.

00:23:54 And here,

00:23:55 all the Prime Ministers who have passed away,

00:23:58 I have met all of them,

00:23:59 when a person dies,

00:24:01 you bring a cheque of 10 lakhs.

00:24:03 For example,

00:24:04 you give a cheque of 15 lakhs to the cylinders.

00:24:07 You see, 26 people died in the last fair.

00:24:09 Yesterday, the incident in Sukkur,

00:24:11 9 people died.

00:24:16 And before this,

00:24:17 there was a big incident in Lahore, Shedhara.

00:24:19 We protested in Gujranwala.

00:24:21 We closed down the entire Gujranwala.

00:24:23 The core committee was formed.

00:24:25 Till today,

00:24:26 the Quran that we closed,

00:24:27 it was reopened in 48 hours.

00:24:29 So, this is what I am saying, Mr. Khokhar,

00:24:32 the situation is the same.

00:24:34 The ideal situation is that,

00:24:36 the people who have the certificate,

00:24:39 should be bought,

00:24:41 the distributors should know that they are original.

00:24:44 But this does not happen.

00:24:46 Now, how do the people identify themselves,

00:24:49 which is non-standard,

00:24:50 which is standard.

00:24:51 What are the things they see as themselves.

00:24:53 And where do we go and keep looking for distributors?

00:24:56 Mr. Ashfaq asked a very good question.

00:24:59 You can tell by holding the cylinder,

00:25:01 that the standard and non-standard,

00:25:03 you can tell by the weight.

00:25:05 And on top of that,

00:25:06 it is written barcode,

00:25:08 and the company is made.

00:25:10 We will have to try a little,

00:25:12 both Nisarfeen and us.

00:25:14 But I am saying again,

00:25:15 this is the responsibility of the state.

00:25:17 These things,

00:25:18 instead of a cylinder,

00:25:19 if you take a gas cylinder for Rs. 3000,

00:25:24 you get a gas cylinder for Rs. 500,

00:25:26 and the rest is water.

00:25:27 Oh.

00:25:28 Here, one thing,

00:25:29 you have taken a gas cylinder in your house,

00:25:31 a smelly, dirty gas cylinder.

00:25:32 One more thing,

00:25:33 these days,

00:25:34 the carbon fiber,

00:25:36 or the lightweight cylinders,

00:25:39 I have heard good companies,

00:25:41 are they good?

00:25:42 Ashfaq,

00:25:43 Ashfaq is absolutely good.

00:25:45 They have made very good cylinders.

00:25:47 I will say again,

00:25:48 it is expensive,

00:25:50 but it is a very good cylinder.

00:25:51 But,

00:25:52 before that,

00:25:53 I will say again,

00:25:54 the cylinders made by the agro-approved factories,

00:25:56 have a lifetime guarantee.

00:25:57 They don't get blasted at all.

00:25:59 And the government only needs that,

00:26:01 that at least,

00:26:02 in Gujranwala,

00:26:04 450 factories are still working.

00:26:07 We have been working for 18 years,

00:26:09 to shut them down.

00:26:11 We shut them down,

00:26:12 and they open in 48 hours.

00:26:13 I have given you the opportunity to make an airway.

00:26:16 What is the identity of the certified agro-approved factories?

00:26:19 They might have a stamp.

00:26:20 They might make a fake stamp.

00:26:22 Anything can happen here.

00:26:24 Absolutely.

00:26:25 Shraddha is right.

00:26:27 Here,

00:26:28 the brands of the companies are made twice.

00:26:31 Absolutely,

00:26:32 they should be identified.

00:26:33 Look,

00:26:34 here,

00:26:35 I have been told,

00:26:36 again and again,

00:26:37 people ask me,

00:26:38 why do you talk about it?

00:26:39 I say,

00:26:40 I try to,

00:26:41 like you,

00:26:42 try to give awareness to the public.

00:26:44 I try to talk to the public,

00:26:46 so that,

00:26:47 I have done 4 programs in Karachi,

00:26:50 on the road,

00:26:51 I have gone to the market,

00:26:52 where the cylinders were being sold.

00:26:53 I have done 4 programs there.

00:26:55 I will come to Karachi again.

00:26:57 Karachi is a city,

00:26:58 where safety is very important.

00:27:00 I appreciate the distributors of Karachi,

00:27:02 I appreciate everyone.

00:27:03 The only city in Pakistan is Karachi,

00:27:05 where safety is very important.

00:27:06 Okay, Mr. Khokhar,

00:27:07 we appreciate your sentiments.

00:27:09 You have told us,

00:27:11 how many times you have contacted,

00:27:13 after that,

00:27:14 no one will be able to hear you.

00:27:15 Now, the public should believe in themselves,

00:27:18 that Ogra is certified,

00:27:19 their stamps are there,

00:27:20 they should use the cylinders.

00:27:22 And the Ashfaq,

00:27:23 who is telling you the details.

00:27:24 Yes.

00:27:25 Look,

00:27:26 we have taken the cylinders,

00:27:27 now these are 2 cylinders.

00:27:28 Ashfaq,

00:27:29 people are buying them for cheap and expensive.

00:27:31 To save money,

00:27:32 they are buying them for 1500 rupees,

00:27:33 so with the same gas,

00:27:35 they are buying them for 2500 rupees.

00:27:36 So, believe me,

00:27:37 the small difference,

00:27:38 between your life and death,

00:27:40 your life is very precious.

00:27:42 But,

00:27:43 your longer term,

00:27:44 your life also matters.

00:27:46 Plus,

00:27:47 while filling the gas,

00:27:48 the nozzles,

00:27:49 the thing that,

00:27:50 God forbid,

00:27:51 there is no leakage,

00:27:52 the bubble test,

00:27:53 the soap,

00:27:54 you can also do that.

00:27:55 So, do as much as you can,

00:27:56 rest is up to God.

00:27:57 Let's take a break.

00:27:58 Absolutely.

00:27:59 Let's take a break here,

00:28:00 and come back after the break.

00:28:01 Welcome back once again.

00:28:13 Jugaad is a word,

00:28:15 many people may not be familiar with it,

00:28:18 but I think,

00:28:19 in Pakistan,

00:28:20 all people,

00:28:21 in Karachi,

00:28:22 I hope in Pakistan also,

00:28:23 this word is used.

00:28:24 Sometimes,

00:28:25 it is also said,

00:28:26 that the mother of creativity,

00:28:27 and Jugaad,

00:28:28 Jugaad is Jugaad.

00:28:29 Jugaad is a term,

00:28:30 when you are not able to do your work,

00:28:32 even though you are paying the full tax,

00:28:34 but you are not getting all the services,

00:28:36 and then you are also worried about the cost,

00:28:38 so you find a solution for it yourself.

00:28:41 So, the solution is temporary,

00:28:43 but because nothing is happening for you,

00:28:46 so you make that Jugaad,

00:28:47 a part of your life.

00:28:49 And it is also risky.

00:28:50 It is also risky.

00:28:51 So, now,

00:28:52 because of the expensive petrol,

00:28:53 people are not able to,

00:28:54 to fill the petrol on a daily basis,

00:28:56 I am talking about motorcycles,

00:28:58 so they have invented Jugaad.

00:29:00 To save themselves from the heavy petrol,

00:29:03 the motorcyclists have started,

00:29:05 installing LPG kits.

00:29:07 Think about it.

00:29:08 And after that,

00:29:09 the citizens have said,

00:29:10 that a motorcycle can cover,

00:29:11 40 to 45 km on a liter of petrol,

00:29:14 and you get a good average LPG.

00:29:16 Yes.

00:29:17 This is what they have to say.

00:29:18 Yes, this is the thing.

00:29:19 But it is quite risky,

00:29:21 because as you know,

00:29:22 as you said,

00:29:23 there are problems with the cylinders.

00:29:24 But Ashfaq,

00:29:25 when there is so much demand for LPG,

00:29:26 so the concept of demand supply will come,

00:29:28 so the prices will also increase.

00:29:29 No, the thing is,

00:29:30 it will still get imported.

00:29:31 Yes.

00:29:32 It will also become expensive,

00:29:33 then what will we do with Jugaad?

00:29:34 Then we will just keep doing something.

00:29:36 But,

00:29:37 like we were talking a while ago,

00:29:38 the cylinders that are being used at home,

00:29:40 they are also not safe.

00:29:41 So, these kits,

00:29:42 how safe are they?

00:29:44 This is also a very dangerous thing,

00:29:46 and it is risky.

00:29:47 Because, obviously,

00:29:48 the cylinder will also be attached to it,

00:29:49 and then,

00:29:50 there is a big,

00:29:51 what is called,

00:29:52 cutting,

00:29:53 and removing it from here and there.

00:29:54 And then,

00:29:55 if you see,

00:29:56 the pipe is also going,

00:29:57 so it could be quite risky.

00:29:58 Okay, we are moving ahead,

00:29:59 and we are going to discuss

00:30:00 one of the most important issues.

00:30:01 You know,

00:30:02 the increase in the prices of petroleum,

00:30:03 believe me,

00:30:04 yesterday also I went to the petrol pump,

00:30:05 while filling the petrol,

00:30:06 when my eyes fell on the meter,

00:30:07 my eyes were closed.

00:30:08 And the violence of 332,

00:30:09 was,

00:30:10 let us say,

00:30:11 attacking the mind in a way.

00:30:12 And you think,

00:30:13 1.5 years ago,

00:30:14 the amount of petrol was there,

00:30:15 and that too was expensive for us.

00:30:16 In 2020,

00:30:17 you think,

00:30:18 that petrol,

00:30:19 they say,

00:30:20 double fuel,

00:30:21 double fuel,

00:30:22 double fuel,

00:30:23 double fuel,

00:30:24 but it did not go beyond double fuel.

00:30:25 But,

00:30:26 what is happening now?

00:30:27 Now,

00:30:28 it is happening,

00:30:29 that the rescue services,

00:30:30 that is,

00:30:31 the ambulance services of the rescue services,

00:30:32 you see,

00:30:33 that,

00:30:34 this has also been affected,

00:30:35 because now people

00:30:36 cannot afford it,

00:30:37 and these rescue services,

00:30:38 how are they free,

00:30:39 for you to transport?

00:30:40 Brother,

00:30:41 you see,

00:30:42 that,

00:30:43 taking patients from Tawatur,

00:30:44 is a very important responsibility.

00:30:45 In this,

00:30:46 now,

00:30:47 the ambulance is used,

00:30:48 but,

00:30:49 what is happening

00:30:50 because the petrol is expensive,

00:30:51 the patients' health is also affected.

00:30:52 In Karachi,

00:30:53 most of the big

00:30:54 government hospitals

00:30:55 are present in the south,

00:30:56 and to come here from other parts of the city,

00:30:57 is a long journey,

00:30:58 which has to be done.

00:30:59 Yes.

00:31:00 For which,

00:31:01 a large number of citizens,

00:31:02 rely on the ambulance service

00:31:03 of the rescue services,

00:31:04 but,

00:31:05 obviously,

00:31:06 petrol is expensive,

00:31:07 so,

00:31:08 they also need petrol

00:31:09 to drive their car,

00:31:10 to drive an ambulance.

00:31:11 So,

00:31:12 in this era of inflation,

00:31:13 we see,

00:31:14 that this is also being affected.

00:31:15 Absolutely.

00:31:16 So,

00:31:17 we can talk about this,

00:31:18 our viewers,

00:31:19 that,

00:31:20 the chairman of the Eidi Foundation,

00:31:21 Mr. Faisal Eidi,

00:31:22 is present with us.

00:31:23 Mr. Faisal,

00:31:24 thank you very much

00:31:25 for taking out time for us.

00:31:26 This is a very important issue.

00:31:27 You know,

00:31:28 that what happens nowadays,

00:31:29 that while leaving the house,

00:31:30 many people do this,

00:31:31 that,

00:31:32 the families who are with them,

00:31:33 they leave their car at home,

00:31:34 and go on a bike.

00:31:35 Then,

00:31:36 the people who go on a car,

00:31:37 they do carpooling,

00:31:38 and use 10 different methods.

00:31:39 These ambulance services

00:31:40 of the rescue services,

00:31:41 and especially,

00:31:42 you are driving the biggest

00:31:43 rescue service,

00:31:44 what impact

00:31:45 will it have on your institution,

00:31:46 because of this?

00:31:47 What is the impact

00:31:48 of this on your institution?

00:31:49 What are the benefits

00:31:50 that you are getting

00:31:51 from this?

00:31:52 Absolutely,

00:31:53 you are right.

00:31:54 We have seen that

00:31:55 because of the increasing

00:31:56 petrol prices,

00:31:57 driving a car for 1 km

00:31:58 costs us

00:31:59 around 40 rupees.

00:32:00 And we try to drive

00:32:01 at a subsidized rate.

00:32:02 We charge

00:32:03 30 rupees from people.

00:32:04 25%

00:32:05 we have to pay

00:32:06 from our pocket.

00:32:07 We call it subsidized.

00:32:08 We have to pay

00:32:09 from our pocket.

00:32:10 So that,

00:32:11 the people of the poor

00:32:12 areas can go for treatment.

00:32:13 So,

00:32:14 we have to pay

00:32:15 30 rupees.

00:32:16 And we have to pay

00:32:17 30 rupees from our pocket.

00:32:18 So that,

00:32:19 the people of the poor

00:32:20 areas can go for treatment.

00:32:21 But people

00:32:22 in the far-off areas,

00:32:23 I am not talking

00:32:24 only about Karachi,

00:32:25 I am talking about Lahore

00:32:26 and other cities.

00:32:27 I am talking about

00:32:28 other cities as well.

00:32:29 The areas of

00:32:30 the poor people,

00:32:31 the areas of the poor

00:32:32 people,

00:32:33 the areas of the poor

00:32:34 people,

00:32:35 the areas of the poor

00:32:36 people,

00:32:37 the areas of the poor

00:32:38 people,

00:32:39 the areas of the poor

00:32:40 people,

00:32:41 the areas of the poor

00:32:42 people,

00:32:43 the areas of the poor

00:32:44 people,

00:32:45 the areas of the poor

00:32:46 people,

00:32:47 the areas of the poor

00:32:48 people,

00:32:49 the areas of the poor

00:32:50 people,

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00:32:52 people,

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00:32:54 people,

00:32:55 the areas of the poor

00:32:56 people,

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00:32:58 people,

00:32:59 the areas of the poor

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01:17:47 [Music]

01:17:50 (upbeat music)

01:17:53 [music]

Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 26th September 2023

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