The Devil is both a temptress and seducer tugging at our desires; drawing us away from our positive qualities. When we don’t get what we yearn for, we are angry, depressed and can even become violent. Have you ever felt sick and unwell but cannot find its medical cause even after seeing the doctor? In this episode, Li Kim examines the psychological aspect of spirit possession through the shamanic and ancient healing process of Main Puteri and a modern psychosomatic method known as Universal Constellation. Is a person really possessed by an entity that is outside of them like a ghost or is it the result of unfulfilled desires that leads to depression? Li Kim will discover if the Devil is inside or outside of you.
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00:00 (eerie music)
00:02 - The devil is interesting.
00:06 It seduces and it tempts us
00:08 to believe that we can achieve much more within ourselves.
00:12 In this episode, we're gonna look at possession.
00:15 What is the entity that takes control?
00:18 Is it from the outside or the inside?
00:21 Is it the devil?
00:22 Is it ghost?
00:24 Is it ourselves?
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01:01 Possession is a state of being completely dominated
01:04 by an idea or emotion
01:06 or an external unseen entity like a spirit.
01:08 A person who is possessed could appear mentally troubled
01:11 and can be diagnosed as crazy,
01:13 but the cause of this madness can either be natural
01:16 or paranormal, linking to issues or spirit disturbances.
01:19 It is common for us to believe
01:21 that possession is caused by spirits and ghosts.
01:24 Let's find out if spirit possession
01:26 is actually a form of mental disorder.
01:28 (eerie music)
01:31 - Spirit possession is a mental disorder
01:35 as defined by Western nosology.
01:39 In other words, in certain cultures and religions,
01:43 spirit possession is a reality.
01:45 Western classification approaches,
01:48 which are not religious, say that it is a mental disorder.
01:52 - So doing the work that you've done for the past 15 years,
01:56 did you gradually become open to spirit possession?
01:59 - I believe it's possible.
02:01 I'm open to the idea just because we don't know.
02:05 We really don't know.
02:06 I like to think that when we leave this earth,
02:09 we go into a spiritual world or a spirit world.
02:11 I like to believe that, yes.
02:13 - And if you believe that you're possessed, you will be.
02:16 (eerie music)
02:18 - Mental disorder is due to possession
02:21 and is due to external factors
02:22 sometimes beyond the patient's control.
02:24 And it has to be cured by methods
02:26 which do not work in a hospital.
02:28 - What is the state of mind of a person
02:32 who may be inflicted with spirit possession?
02:36 - My answer would be it is a psycho-spiritual reaction,
02:41 a psycho-spiritual state.
02:44 Human life, there are four domains
02:46 that merge all together in one person.
02:50 The biological domain, the psychological domain,
02:54 the social domain, the spiritual domain.
02:57 So when we talk about spirit possession,
02:59 we are talking about one of the four domains.
03:01 That is the spiritual domain
03:03 because spiritual beings are unseen beings.
03:07 - What do you mean by psycho-spiritual?
03:09 - But that's what I see all these last few decades
03:12 of my life as a psychiatrist.
03:14 No spiritual influence happens
03:17 without psychological response to it in a human being.
03:22 - Through my research, I also find
03:24 that spiritual possessions are very much dependent
03:27 on the culture they originate from
03:29 and the belief systems they operate upon.
03:32 - In every culture, they've got their own beliefs
03:35 into what leads to a certain illness,
03:39 what may lead to a certain disorder,
03:41 what maintains the disorder
03:42 and what can take the disorder away.
03:44 Every culture, they've got their own beliefs.
03:45 And the thing about Asian culture,
03:48 usually we get studies from the Western point of view,
03:50 which may not necessarily understand it
03:53 from that culture's point of view.
03:55 - When I went to Kelantan and studied
03:57 about the therapeutic shamanic performance of Mayan putri
04:00 and in Kuala Lumpur, a modern psychological system
04:03 of healing known as universal constellations,
04:06 I noticed that possessions by our desires, emotions
04:09 and past memories can be more frightening
04:11 than spirits and ghosts.
04:13 Before we explore deeper into the mechanics of Mayan putri,
04:17 I was introduced to Dr. Lu,
04:19 a qualified and trained traditional Chinese medicine doctor,
04:22 a psychologist and a spiritual master
04:25 who has a unique understanding of possession
04:27 through a system he calls universal constellations.
04:31 - Constellation actually is a kind of psychologist's treatment.
04:34 Very famous in the international, actually,
04:37 in the arena of the psychiatry and psychologist doctor
04:42 than having family constellations.
04:44 They heal a family matter, like interrelationship,
04:49 of course, including ancestor problem
04:52 and also including abortion child spirit problem.
04:55 Some abortion child spirit might influence
04:58 the magnetic fields of the family
05:00 and also influence the emotion,
05:02 will bring negative emotion to the family members,
05:06 then the family will having problem.
05:10 Universal constellations use role play and dramatisation to heal.
05:14 It heals the negative patterns in our relationships with our family,
05:18 ancestors, career, money and the environment,
05:21 to even our previous lives.
05:23 Through the constellations,
05:24 the causes are acted out by human representatives
05:26 for the patient to see, experience, accept, let go and repent.
05:37 From the sound memory, now go deeper to the spirit memory.
05:42 - Okay.
05:43 - So, he will access to multiple dimensions of the energy
05:49 that is the spiritual memories.
05:51 Dr Loo, through universal constellations,
05:57 a healing system that he created based on family constellations,
06:00 popularised by Mr Bert Hellinger,
06:03 the illness can be on three levels,
06:05 physically, mentally and ultimately on the soul level,
06:08 where there could be spirit disturbances,
06:11 past life issues and even black magic influences.
06:16 So far, I have discovered that possession extends beyond spirits
06:20 and that we can be dominated by our emotions,
06:22 pains and memories from past lives.
06:25 This can appear slightly strange
06:27 and even I find it challenging to comprehend and accept.
06:30 But this is the paranormal zone and we explore the illogical.
06:34 So, it is good that we do keep an open mind.
06:37 You have lost control.
06:39 I am still with Dr Loo and his students of universal constellations.
07:01 What I find most intriguing are the representatives
07:03 who represent the energies, people, spirits
07:06 and even the black magic curses in a patient's life.
07:09 According to them,
07:10 they do not know of the patient's stories and conditions beforehand.
07:14 There is absolutely no trance-taking and no danger involved,
07:18 just trusting the system.
07:21 The representatives are able to receive the energy from the universe
07:26 and we will be able to act out
07:29 what is actually happening to her at that point of time.
07:32 So, from there, we are able to sort of know
07:36 what is the cause of the problem.
07:38 We are not in trance.
07:40 We are very alert as to what is happening.
07:43 There is some very strong energy.
07:45 As long as we act it out,
07:47 because we are projecting what is happening to the client.
07:50 So, once this thing is being projected into the open,
07:53 the energy seems to disperse after that.
07:57 You please represent the energy as the wrong shield.
08:02 I have requested Dr Loo for me to take part in the constellations
08:06 as a representative.
08:07 However, it wasn't easy
08:09 and maybe because I was new and sceptical.
08:13 Can you go more deeper and go into the character?
08:18 Let the message, enlarge the message.
08:22 Yes, yes, follow the message and...
08:25 follow the body language.
08:27 Although I did not succeed in being a representative,
08:31 I have gathered that there are other unseen factors
08:33 like desires and memories that can cause possessions.
08:37 The devil inside comes in many shapes, forms and sizes.
08:41 Jessie started out as a client of Dr Loo four years ago.
08:46 Today, she is a student
08:47 and also an active representative of Universal Constellations.
08:51 Recently, Jessie was attacked by severe headaches.
08:54 She was taking up to six painkillers per day, but to no avail.
08:58 Could Universal Constellations help her this time?
09:02 What I do is I combine both.
09:05 Sometimes, medication doesn't help
09:07 because it keeps coming back.
09:08 It's like a repeat, so it doesn't stop.
09:11 So, something in you made you feel that it was much deeper.
09:16 Yes, it's something else, not just something physical.
09:19 It's not just a physical pain.
09:22 It goes deeper than that.
09:24 I noticed that witnesses of the constellations
09:26 do vomit, cry or cough during the sessions.
09:29 I was told that they are either helping to clear and clean
09:32 the energies for the client,
09:34 or they themselves may have similar issues as that of the client.
09:38 These characteristics are also common in other forms of spiritual healing.
09:43 From this session, it was diagnosed that
09:44 Jessie's headache was caused by black magic.
09:47 However, what puzzled me most was the representative
09:50 who played the energy of the black magic itself.
09:54 In the exercises earlier, you represented a very angry spirit.
09:59 And it was all over your face.
10:01 I can imagine that you have lost control.
10:05 How do you feel when you come out?
10:07 Please, check up.
10:10 No.
10:14 Throughout the whole process,
10:16 there's no such thing as lost control.
10:18 There's this feeling that you're supposed to represent this character,
10:23 and this character is having some anger.
10:26 It's only on the face that you're angry,
10:28 but deep inside, I don't feel the anger.
10:31 Why do you allow yourself to participate in that way,
10:36 and putting your body through such a physical drain?
10:40 It's not really a physical drain.
10:42 It's like a mutual sharing thing.
10:43 So, when I have a problem, they will be representing me
10:46 to let me see what is going on with me and also my environment.
10:51 When they are having the same problem,
10:52 I am the representative to represent them.
10:56 I...
10:57 I will recover deeper.
10:59 Come and take your life.
11:01 And take your family's life.
11:04 This energy still does not want to let go.
11:09 She's still holding the hatred.
11:12 First of all, we need to understand the principle
11:15 of universe constellations.
11:17 Whatever is happening in this constellation's field,
11:21 the purpose is to let the invisible dynamic things
11:26 be exposed under the sunlight.
11:28 If not, this kind of energy will be hidden.
11:32 You'll never find it, and the karma becomes very solid.
11:36 Through the constellation, actually, we let the energy manifest.
11:41 So, we could see the energy form.
11:43 The transformation will happen according to the realisations of our client.
11:50 After learning a little bit deeper about universal constellations,
11:53 I begin to understand that we are easily controlled
11:55 by our subconscious thoughts, memories and feelings
11:58 that, according to Dr Liu, can extend to our past lives.
12:01 We may appear to be possessed by spirits and even mentally unstable,
12:04 but now we know that there could be other explanations.
12:07 To understand the different types of possessions better,
12:11 I am now heading to Eastern Peninsula, Malaysia,
12:13 to learn about Mayan Putri.
12:15 Mayan Putri is an ancient and unique shamanic dance and healing ritual
12:20 that centralises mainly in Kelantan.
12:22 This traditional healing method refers to a welder,
12:25 or the tok putri,
12:27 who plays the central role of the healer in the ceremony.
12:30 He is the one who welds the semangat, or spiritual energy,
12:34 of a person that is low, with assistance from a few friendly spirits.
12:38 "Tirikan, tari melapak!"
12:40 Mayan Putri is used to heal.
12:52 Mayan Putri heals a form of sickness that is caused by blocked inner winds,
12:56 which cannot be cured in the hospital.
12:59 A person who is soulful and sentimental is driven by this inner wind.
13:03 When the winds are blocked,
13:04 he will need Mayan Putri to heal his broken spirit.
13:08 After my own research and investigation,
13:10 I came to define angin as a kind of inner desires and urges
13:14 which are connected with various kinds of invisible entities, and so on.
13:19 So it has to do firstly with the emotions.
13:22 It is very strongly connected with emotions.
13:24 Secondly, it is connected with certain kinds of diseases
13:27 which are in fact also indirectly related to emotions,
13:31 but can also be caused by spirits.
13:33 What I am understanding,
13:34 angin, which in direct translation is wind,
13:38 is not a disease per se.
13:41 It is actually an innate, internal, deep desire
13:46 for something that wants to manifest.
13:49 And when there are obstacles or obstructions
13:53 that prevent this manifestation of a desire,
13:57 the wind cannot be released, the desire cannot be released.
14:01 And these problems are normally not found under medical terms.
14:07 According to Pak Rahim, who is an apprentice tok putri,
14:10 his desire to perform the wayang kulit, or shadow puppets,
14:14 is quite similar to being possessed by the art itself.
14:18 Mayan putri is not used for healing a wound
14:22 that is caused by an external cut or a fall.
14:25 Mayan putri is meant to heal the pains and unfulfilled desires
14:29 of a sensitive and sentimental soul.
14:32 My inner wind is the desire to perform the wayang kulit.
14:49 When I can't perform, I will fall sick
14:52 and there is no cure through modern healing.
14:55 The doctors can't find anything wrong with me.
14:58 I won't be able to eat or sleep at night
15:00 and I will be confused and depressed.
15:02 Through a Mayan putri session,
15:06 I discovered my inner wind is wayang kulit.
15:09 I was immediately given the shadow puppets to play with
15:12 and that was how I realised my desires in the Mayan putri theatre.
15:17 In Mayan putri, what I find most interesting
15:19 is that some desires, or angin,
15:22 appear in the form of a guardian spirit,
15:24 while unseen beings and ghosts are said to be present
15:27 during each performance, as we will witness in the next segment.
15:31 Is it spirit possession?
15:34 Or are we talking about psychological problems?
15:38 Angin, or the inner wind, is not a ghost.
15:42 It is a type of possession by our feelings and emotions.
15:46 Emotional possession?
15:47 In the Mayan putri theatre,
15:49 the tok putri will use psychological methods
15:52 to end the confusions and sadness of the patient's soul.
15:55 When the tok putri persuades him,
15:58 the wind will arise by itself.
16:00 When it rises this way,
16:02 all the blocked emotions that cause him pain and illness
16:05 will also be released.
16:07 I am sick.
16:09 He is at risk of handling it.
16:15 Spirit possession is a reality.
16:17 I'm open to the idea just because we don't know.
16:20 Some very strong energy.
16:21 We are projecting what is happening.
16:24 When I can't perform, I will fall sick.
16:28 In this episode, we have learnt
16:31 that there could be other types of possession,
16:33 such as the tok putri.
16:34 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:38 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:41 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:44 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:47 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:50 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:53 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:56 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
16:59 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:02 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:05 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:08 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:11 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:14 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:17 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:20 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:23 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:26 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:29 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:32 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:35 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:38 We will be learning more about the spirit of the tok putri.
17:41 My sickness is caused by inner winds.
17:44 Even after seeing the doctor and conducting a medical check-up,
17:48 I cannot be cured.
17:50 It is true that I inherited this wind, known as hala,
17:53 from my grandfather who was a shaman.
17:56 He kept the hala as a guardian spirit to protect the village and his family.
18:01 When he passed away, the spirit was neglected
18:04 and now has chosen me as its new owner.
18:07 But I do not want to keep it.
18:09 I would like to find out if these inner winds
18:12 actually create a situation for spirit possessions.
18:16 Just now, you mentioned that the healer will recite the jampi.
18:21 Is the recitation, or what they are reciting, religious in nature?
18:27 A jampi is not about religion, but about humanity.
18:38 Donations are requested from the spiritual teacher
18:40 and offerings are also made to the unseen friends
18:43 to ensure that everyone within and outside the Mayan Putri Theatre is safe.
18:48 It started really quite slow just now,
18:50 but now it's getting quite exciting
18:52 because the actual healing process is taking place.
18:54 The gentleman over there...
18:56 They all play different roles.
18:58 The tok putri is also playing a different role.
19:00 What happens is they need to call on to the positive energies or the spirits
19:06 to come and assist in the healing process.
19:08 So just now, they called in the spirits
19:10 and they also need to clear the negative spirits that are surrounding
19:15 before they can start the healing process.
19:17 So they kind of take turns
19:19 and there are different energies playing in the stage, so to speak, over there.
19:26 Through the invocations of the tok putri,
19:28 who himself is on trance of a few helpful spirits,
19:31 Mr Zayed is now completely taken over by the Ang In Hala,
19:35 or a type of inherited guardian spirit.
19:38 I wonder if what started as an emotional possession
19:40 has eventually turned into a spirit possession.
19:43 Earlier, you had told me that you can't get rid of the Ang In Hala,
19:51 the spirit of the Ang In Hala,
19:54 but you can only make it go away for a while.
19:57 When it is away from Encik Zayed, what happens to Encik Zayed?
20:02 If he falls, he will be held back.
20:06 This depends on the patient's perseverance
20:09 and for how long he can withstand the disturbances of the Ang In Hala.
20:13 Sometimes, only one session of mind putri is needed to heal him,
20:18 but it really depends on his emotional and mental strength.
20:22 Why is it he doesn't want to take on the Ang In Hala?
20:26 If Zayed embraces the Ang In Hala,
20:31 he is at risk of handing it to his future generations when he passes away.
20:36 And he also needs to perform rituals to feel it and keep it happy,
20:41 or else the Hala will disturb him.
20:44 If he resists it now, then the Hala will end with him.
20:48 As a healing process, it may not be logical, it may not be scientific,
20:54 but I look at it as a humane, compassionate,
20:59 and perhaps assistance from higher wisdom.
21:03 Receiving the emotional support of the community,
21:08 sometimes a person's state of being, his mind, controls his emotions.
21:15 How often one is disturbed by these spirits or these winds going off,
21:22 it depends on the strength of your mind.
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21:30 It is indeed quite dramatic what we have witnessed,
21:41 the processes of healing called Universal Constellations and Mind Putri.
21:46 Many people adopt these methods of healing,
21:49 but my question is, where is personal responsibility?
21:54 And the possession, is it really by spirits,
21:58 or is it the weakness of the mind and emotions that allows yourself to be possessed?
22:05 My point, real healing is from mental strength and emotional stability.
22:12 The devil does exist inside, and so do the solutions.
22:16 Mind over matter.
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